Maroney is running better should we run it more?
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Maroney is running better should we run it more?
posted at 11/25/2009 12:26 PM EST
- dshort3333
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With Volmer, Mankins, and Connelly playing center the Patriots have had a lot of success running the ball lately. They are much bigger and appear batter at run blocking than the Light, Mankins, Koppen combination. And now Ornhberger is taking snaps at guard too. So with a healthy and pissed off Maroney running behind these guys should we run it more ? -
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posted at 11/25/2009 12:30 PM EST
- MVPKilla2009
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yes. -
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posted at 11/25/2009 1:11 PM EST
- wtfmaroney
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much more. atleast 25-30 times a game and with that work out u can expect on seeing 125+ yd games put up by maroney -
Re: Maroney is running better should we run it more?
posted at 11/25/2009 5:19 PM EST
- trouts
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Maybe I missed something here, but don't we still have Tom Brady at QB? And Maroney running it "better" got us 77 yards on 22 carries with 1 fumble. His 2 TDs were of the punch-it-in variety. I realize that by running it more you can restrain the pass rush a bit, but I'm not convinced that you can pick up the first downs with Maroney the way you can with Welker. -
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posted at 11/25/2009 5:28 PM EST
- TrueChamp
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In Response to Re: Maroney is running better should we run it more?:Maybe I missed something here, but don't we still have Tom Brady at QB? And Maroney running it "better" got us 77 yards on 22 carries with 1 fumble. His 2 TDs were of the punch-it-in variety. I realize that by running it more you can restrain the pass rush a bit, but I'm not convinced that you can pick up the first downs with Maroney the way you can with Welker.
Posted by trouts
HAVE TO RUN. We have the best Play action pass QB maybe in the history of the NFL. Run Run Run and then kill them with the PA. -
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posted at 11/25/2009 6:27 PM EST
- BTownExpress
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Run with Fred; pass with/on Maroney. -
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posted at 11/25/2009 6:37 PM EST
- TrueChamp
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In Response to Re: Maroney is running better should we run it more?:Run with Fred; pass with/on Maroney.
Posted by BTownExpress
You mean Drop Dead Fred? -
Re: Maroney is running better should we run it more?
posted at 11/25/2009 7:00 PM EST
- FOWLER8196
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the patriots have been pretty balanced this year. that being said, it would have been nice if the colts had to worry about the patriots running on 4th & 2. everyone and their grandmother knew the ball would be in bradys hands.also i dont like how people assume fred taylor will come back from his injury and pick up right where he left off. same with morris. if/when they return maroney is still our best option. -
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posted at 11/25/2009 7:36 PM EST
- 49Patriots
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In Response to Re: Maroney is running better should we run it more?:Maybe I missed something here, but don't we still have Tom Brady at QB? And Maroney running it "better" got us 77 yards on 22 carries with 1 fumble. His 2 TDs were of the punch-it-in variety. I realize that by running it more you can restrain the pass rush a bit, but I'm not convinced that you can pick up the first downs with Maroney the way you can with Welker.
Posted by troutsDo you know anything about Football? You have to run the ball to protect the passing game. And as much as I hate Maroney, you have to give him a salute for putting up 77 yards against the fourth best rushing defense in the league. Running more makes the second half go by faster. -
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posted at 11/25/2009 10:07 PM EST
- rabbrandy
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at least go play action more instead of the empty backfield. wonder what their passing stats are in the play acton vs empty backfield. -
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posted at 11/27/2009 8:43 AM EST
- cincyscott
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In Response to Re: Maroney is running better should we run it more?:at least go play action more instead of the empty backfield. wonder what their passing stats are in the play acton vs empty backfield.
Posted by rabbrandy
interesting article about the Pats operating out of the spread... http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/news/story?id=4622773
I tend to agree about play action, I'm not an O coordinator but effective play action tends to pull up an LB or Safety creating an open player for Brady to throw to. -
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posted at 11/27/2009 8:56 AM EST
- BubbaInHawaii
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In Response to Maroney is running better should we run it more?:With Volmer, Mankins, and Connelly playing center the Patriots have had a lot of success running the ball lately. They are much bigger and appear batter at run blocking than the Light, Mankins, Koppen combination. And now Ornhberger is taking snaps at guard too. So with a healthy and pissed off Maroney running behind these guys should we run it more ?
Posted by dshort3333
Maroney's performance should have little to do w/ how often the Patriots should run. The Patriots should run it more because 1) they tend to win more games when gaining 100 + yards a game, and 2) Because it helps our passing game
3) Can help control the clock -
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posted at 11/27/2009 9:00 AM EST
- BubbaInHawaii
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In Response to Re: Maroney is running better should we run it more?:at least go play action more instead of the empty backfield. wonder what their passing stats are in the play acton vs empty backfield.
Posted by rabbrandy
I would tend to agree w/ you. When nobody is in the backfield - teams know we are passing. Play action plays, and WR movement, and mis-direction plays should be part of our offensive playcalling.
At times, the Patriots' offensive play calling has been called "conservative" and "unimaginative"..... -
Re: Maroney is running better should we run it more?
posted at 11/27/2009 9:32 AM EST
- Norger
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Agree the Pats need to run more, but Maroney has been mostly disappointing. I keep waiting for him to establish what he showed flashes of in his rookie year--a true breakaway threat who could gash defenses for big chunks of yardage. I hope he proves me wrong, but so far, Maroney is a mediocre NFL back. He couldn't carry Curtis Martin's jock. If Sammy Morris gets healthy, feed him the ball. -
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posted at 11/27/2009 10:05 AM EST
- paob
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In Response to Maroney is running better should we run it more?:With Volmer, Mankins, and Connelly playing center the Patriots have had a lot of success running the ball lately. They are much bigger and appear batter at run blocking than the Light, Mankins, Koppen combination. And now Ornhberger is taking snaps at guard too. So with a healthy and pissed off Maroney running behind these guys should we run it more ?
Posted by dshort3333DS3,Run blocking doesn't appear to be the Patriots strong suit. With the advent of Moss and Welker to the lineup, the opportunities to run the ball aren't prolific. The end result being less opportunities to improve on an area which needs help.This argument took a hit when Faulk ran for almost 80 yards on 9 carries or so a couple of games ago. Which led a number of Maroney bashers to state: if Faulk can do it on limited carries, why can't he?!I watched with interest Maroney's reaction after having fumbled in his last game and I did see flashes of Marion Barber Jr. I don't know if this renewed focus/pissed off running style is from from soul searching or constructive criticism he's received. But we need to see that from him the rest of his Patriots career.He has the talent and size, now he needs to add the will to get it done consistently and weekly. -
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posted at 11/27/2009 10:26 AM EST
- nmb106
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49PatriotsAccording to NFL.com, the Jets rank 17th defending the run. They have fallen off since the loss of Kris Jenkins, so understandably, people feel there are yards to be gained on the ground against them now.Maroney's two fumbles these past two weeks are out of character (only one in his whole pro career prior to this), so I'm not going to get on him about that just yet.He showed against Miami that he is capable of making solid yardage against a stout run defense, but he is still a little inconsistent week to week.Agreed that we have to make teams respect the fact that we can run the ball, but I think we're setting it up just enough for Brady to find his receivers with regularity now (although that's not the only factor in our passing game starting to click). I have no complaints on the overall production of this offense after Week 11, so the balance looks ok to me. -
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posted at 11/27/2009 10:32 AM EST
- ALLDAWAYPATS
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YES! With the bad weather around the corner, we need to get into a rythem with the running game, instead of trying to turn it on when the weather gets bad. Plus, Brady is on of the best at PA!
Maroney has been running a lot harder. I loved it last week when he dropped his shoulder and ran Rhodes over instead of trying to dance around him. He is starting to show some toughness. -
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posted at 11/27/2009 10:55 AM EST
- K-max
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I had access to NASA's computers yesterday and ran the numbers. Here is what HAL 9000 predicted if Maroney had 25 carries in a game.
1) 2
2) 3
3) -2
4) 0
5) 6
6) -1
7) 2
8) 10
9) 0
10) 5
11) 4
12) -2
13) 0
14) 1
15) 4
16) 6
17) 0
18) 0
19) 14
20) 2
21) 4
22) -3
23) 1
24) 2
25) 6
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64
And the Patriots lose. You can't argue with that. -
Re: Maroney is running better should we run it more?
posted at 11/27/2009 11:27 AM EST
- WoburnPaulie
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K-maxxxxxxxxx : ) The Pats win it all this year my friend! They wil beat the Saints 31-24!!!
I have to agree with Bubba - "At times, the Patriots' offensive play calling has been called "conservative" and "unimaginative"...with the exception of going for it on 4th and 2 btw, a call I agree with to this day! Revenge will be ours against the Colts in the playoffs. The Pats OWNED them that game and will again!! -
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posted at 11/27/2009 12:07 PM EST
- tompenny
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Maroney has undercheived but the reality is also that the O Line does not block nearly as well on run plays as it does on pass plays. Maybe if they blocked like Brady was the running back all of them could get more yards. They will run more once Morris comes back and plus bad weather and home games will dictate more running as well.
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posted at 11/27/2009 1:03 PM EST
- raptor64d
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I would like the Pats to stay a balanced team and work on the run more so when we need to grind out a game we can.
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posted at 11/30/2009 5:27 PM EST
- rkarp
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aren't Welkers YAC numbers some what part of the running game with all the WR screens?
I would like to see the ball in Maroneys hands more, how about a screen pass? Do the Pats run the draw with anyone other than Faulk?
Give Maroney 22-25 touches tonight...Morris 12-15 touches....Faulk 8-10 touches...Pats run the ball efectively 45 times they will win. Saints O-line can be pushed around -
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posted at 11/30/2009 6:17 PM EST
- TrueChamp
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In Response to Re: Maroney is running better should we run it more?:aren't Welkers YAC numbers some what part of the running game with all the WR screens? I would like to see the ball in Maroneys hands more, how about a screen pass? Do the Pats run the draw with anyone other than Faulk? Give Maroney 22-25 touches tonight...Morris 12-15 touches....Faulk 8-10 touches...Pats run the ball efectively 45 times they will win. Saints O-line can be pushed around
Posted by rkarp
Agreed, all the way.