Mayo and absolute FORCE.

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    Tom Brady in response to his 2nd question of the post game regarding how effective the play ation was...

    {It was great. When your running the ball you can use that play action. We scored on the play to Brandon, and had a few other really critical plays trying to fake the run, and you can get some great seperation of the defense when it happens.}



    Yes!

    Exactly why PA is MORE EFFECTIVE under Ridley and LESS effective under BJGE. 

    You keep saying it's great now stunk then. 

    Well ... it worked tonight ... and worked when they weren't even running the ball. But if you CAN run it ... teams pay attention. 

    PA is about the threat of the running back ... not the number of times you run it with a crappy runner.

    This game proves that definitively ... as have others in the past. 

    33 passes ... just 10 runs by the lead back ... that is MORE imbalanced than the 3.5 quarters of the Jets Pats playoff game you howled, and howled and howled about. 

    It was imblance then ... but it's balance now.... WHAT GIVES?????!!!!!!????!!!?

    Be for real dude.... be for real. Just say you were wrong. 

    What gives?? Can't you just explain that to me?

     
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    McCourty will be a pro bowl safety. Should've resigned him when he was sucking at cb, he and spikes are gonna come at a hefty price (bye welker)

     

    As for Mayo, I had my doubts on him as a special player. Always just considered him just a solid player, not great, but solid. He's been a different man since Talib came in. He's an underrated blitzer. Talib has completely changed the dynamic of this team




    Mayo is outstanding. He just doesn't get used to make big plays. Looks like that may be changing.

    And Talib (Dennard too) has opened a bunch of doors for the D.

     
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    Tom Brady in response to his 2nd question of the post game regarding how effective the play ation was...

    {It was great. When your running the ball you can use that play action. We scored on the play to Brandon, and had a few other really critical plays trying to fake the run, and you can get some great seperation of the defense when it happens.}




    Do you expect Tom to say it sucked?



    Did it suck?




    No. But it was not a crucial factor.

     
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    McCourty will be a pro bowl safety. Should've resigned him when he was sucking at cb, he and spikes are gonna come at a hefty price (bye welker)

     

    As for Mayo, I had my doubts on him as a special player. Always just considered him just a solid player, not great, but solid. He's been a different man since Talib came in. He's an underrated blitzer. Talib has completely changed the dynamic of this team



    Mayo helps to lead the d, not just make plays on the field

     
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    McCourty will be a pro bowl safety. Should've resigned him when he was sucking at cb, he and spikes are gonna come at a hefty price (bye welker)

     

    As for Mayo, I had my doubts on him as a special player. Always just considered him just a solid player, not great, but solid. He's been a different man since Talib came in. He's an underrated blitzer. Talib has completely changed the dynamic of this team



    This could be.  Fingers crossed.

     
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    He has been unleashed the last few weeks as a blitzing linebacker. Really making a difference now.

     
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    Here you go Z, I moved it to your thread so we wouldn;t lose it in the game thread.

    1.) First and foremost. There is no magic game plan -- sometimes passing twice as much as you run is a good game plan. Sometimes running 45-50 of the time is a good game plan. It DEPENDS ON THE TEAM AND SITUATION. Balance for balance sake is just silly. If they ran 50% of the time in the first 3 quarters this week ... they would not have had all those points. The Texans can be thrown against and are hard to run against. It's about MATCHUPS.

    I agree 100%. You have to play game plan football. This is why you trying to pound your chest about us winning and not using the run(after we established it leading to amazing play action production on the 1st drive) is foolish. You clearly show why any smart team would pass against a weak secondary and not run as much against a team that has DOMINATED the run. Oh btw we are 6th in the LG in rushing attempts, oh btw we lead the LG in rushing tds, and rushing 1st downs. Oh but this game shows us that you don't need a run game to win. Good one.

     

    2.) Run pass balance is dictated by situtation not abstract and arbitrary ratios. You don't run on 3rd and 9 just to say you are balanced. 

    Nobody ever said that. So I guess you are now the one making stuff up. I said running more against the 28th ranked run defense in the NY Giants was a GREAT situation to run.

     

    3.) PA/misdirection etc gains effectiveness based on how good you are at selling it and how much of a threat your RB is to the defense. Running more ... but running terribly won't make defenders "bite".

    Well we averaged 2.6 ypc in the 1st 3 qtrs so how was the play action working so well?? Whoops.

     

    4.) Running more does nothing to improve the defense, getting better defenders improve the defense. Better defense improves defense.

    Running more then you did when you were a heavy pass/finesse offense leads to better T.O.P and limits your propensity for turnovers which puts your defense in a bad position,, but you being a coach would know that.

     

    5.) 90% of football is EXECUTION and gameplans minor changes (4 plays here or there) are meaningless compared to 4 plays poorly or well executed .... which creates a MAJOR swing. 

    Execution is a by-product of sound game planning and the ability to limit a defense's chances of stopping the play by guessing what it will be.....hence balance having an impact on a great offense....6th in the LG in rushing att's btw.

     

    It's you that pushes your argument waaay past where it should end man. Running the football is not the sole deciding factor in whether a team wins or loses. And the number of times you run is usually based on the kind of situations you find yourself in rather than arbitary wishes of fans.

    I've never said that. I said passing 135 att;s to 55 rushes in 3 straight losses to the Gints(2 Super Bowls) was not a good idea. And I said that running in the post season is still as important as it ever was, since the defense's are better...but we didn't so it.

     

    Sorry... I have coached and played. That's how it works dude. 

     

    And for the record I love the improved (ie more effective, not more reps) running game .... but it is meaningless compared to how much an improved defense increases stands to increase their chances.

    Bill Belichick coaches and builds this defense. It has never been as bad as fans like you and babe have made it out to be, and whether it supports your argument or not it has been in rebuilding mode. If we were to win a SB in the last 5 years you and everybody else knows deep down that our offense was going to have to score more then 15.5 points per game... but a 90 pass to 35 run ratio in 2 losses didn't get that done.  Lets hope we have balance in the playoffs and utilize the skills of the best play ation QB to have ever walked the face of the earth

     
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    Tom Brady in response to his 2nd question of the post game regarding how effective the play ation was...

    {It was great. When your running the ball you can use that play action. We scored on the play to Brandon, and had a few other really critical plays trying to fake the run, and you can get some great seperation of the defense when it happens.}



    Yes!

    Exactly why PA is MORE EFFECTIVE under Ridley and LESS effective under BJGE. 

    You keep saying it's great now stunk then. 

    Well ... it worked tonight ... and worked when they weren't even running the ball. But if you CAN run it ... teams pay attention. 

    PA is about the threat of the running back ... not the number of times you run it with a crappy runner.

    This game proves that definitively ... as have others in the past. 

    33 passes ... just 10 runs by the lead back ... that is MORE imbalanced than the 3.5 quarters of the Jets Pats playoff game you howled, and howled and howled about. 

    It was imblance then ... but it's balance now.... WHAT GIVES?????!!!!!!????!!!?

    Be for real dude.... be for real. Just say you were wrong. 

    What gives?? Can't you just explain that to me?




    Hey how did 90 passes to 35 rushes work out for the 07 and 11 SB teams? Hey, be real dude, be real...how did it work out?

    Oh, oh...we must have just not executed that day. Dumb luck is what wins football games right coach?

     
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    In response to TrueChamp's comment:

    In response to zbellino's comment:

    In response to TrueChamp's comment:

    Tom Brady in response to his 2nd question of the post game regarding how effective the play ation was...

    {It was great. When your running the ball you can use that play action. We scored on the play to Brandon, and had a few other really critical plays trying to fake the run, and you can get some great seperation of the defense when it happens.}



    Yes!

    Exactly why PA is MORE EFFECTIVE under Ridley and LESS effective under BJGE. 

    You keep saying it's great now stunk then. 

    Well ... it worked tonight ... and worked when they weren't even running the ball. But if you CAN run it ... teams pay attention. 

    PA is about the threat of the running back ... not the number of times you run it with a crappy runner.

    This game proves that definitively ... as have others in the past. 

    33 passes ... just 10 runs by the lead back ... that is MORE imbalanced than the 3.5 quarters of the Jets Pats playoff game you howled, and howled and howled about. 

    It was imblance then ... but it's balance now.... WHAT GIVES?????!!!!!!????!!!?

    Be for real dude.... be for real. Just say you were wrong. 

    What gives?? Can't you just explain that to me?




    Hey how did 90 passes to 35 rushes work out for the 07 and 11 SB teams? Hey, be real dude, be real...how did it work out?

    Oh, oh...we must have just not executed that day. Dumb luck is what wins football games right coach?




    How did 2.8 ypc and 3.6 ypc from the backs work out for the 07 and 11 SB teams?

    THAT is exactly what bad execution is. Every football coach who ever lived knows you don't keep doing what is FAILING.

     
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    In response to TrueChamp's comment:

    Tom Brady in response to his 2nd question of the post game regarding how effective the play ation was...

    {It was great. When your running the ball you can use that play action. We scored on the play to Brandon, and had a few other really critical plays trying to fake the run, and you can get some great seperation of the defense when it happens.}



    Yes!

    Exactly why PA is MORE EFFECTIVE under Ridley and LESS effective under BJGE. 

    You keep saying it's great now stunk then. 

    Well ... it worked tonight ... and worked when they weren't even running the ball. But if you CAN run it ... teams pay attention. 

    PA is about the threat of the running back ... not the number of times you run it with a crappy runner.

    This game proves that definitively ... as have others in the past. 

    33 passes ... just 10 runs by the lead back ... that is MORE imbalanced than the 3.5 quarters of the Jets Pats playoff game you howled, and howled and howled about. 

    It was imblance then ... but it's balance now.... WHAT GIVES?????!!!!!!????!!!?

    Be for real dude.... be for real. Just say you were wrong. 

    What gives?? Can't you just explain that to me?




    Hey how did 90 passes to 35 rushes work out for the 07 and 11 SB teams? Hey, be real dude, be real...how did it work out?

    Oh, oh...we must have just not executed that day. Dumb luck is what wins football games right coach?



    No. Execution does.

    Answer my quesiton, not with a question. 

     
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    Sharing some halftime thoughts December, 10, 2012 Dec 10 10:03 PM ET By Mike Reiss | ESPNBoston.com

    FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- Sharing some thoughts at halftime as the Patriots lead the Texans 21-0 at Gillette Stadium.

    Impressive performance from the Patriots, and a few things stand out.

    Receiver Brandon Lloyd said all the right things as criticism was growing last week (link here), and has followed that up with a few big catches -- a sideline grab on third down and then the long touchdown pass. Lloyd’s presence as an outside receiver is showing up tonight, as is his overall professionalism.

    The Patriots opened with three straight runs, which was a statement of sorts because the Texans entered as the NFL’s No. 2-ranked run defense in terms of fewest yards allowed per game. Part of that was tied to teams not really testing them, as opponents averaged just a shade more than 21 carries per game against them, a league-low. The Patriots showed from the first three snaps that they weren’t going to concede in that area.

    Oh and those runs lead to wide open play action tds and key plays that ignited ablow out....but running isn't conducive to winning... Just perfect.

     

     
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    Sharing some halftime thoughts December, 10, 2012 Dec 10 10:03 PM ET By Mike Reiss | ESPNBoston.com

    FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- Sharing some thoughts at halftime as the Patriots lead the Texans 21-0 at Gillette Stadium.

    Impressive performance from the Patriots, and a few things stand out.

    Receiver Brandon Lloyd said all the right things as criticism was growing last week (link here), and has followed that up with a few big catches -- a sideline grab on third down and then the long touchdown pass. Lloyd’s presence as an outside receiver is showing up tonight, as is his overall professionalism.

    The Patriots opened with three straight runs, which was a statement of sorts because the Texans entered as the NFL’s No. 2-ranked run defense in terms of fewest yards allowed per game. Part of that was tied to teams not really testing them, as opponents averaged just a shade more than 21 carries per game against them, a league-low. The Patriots showed from the first three snaps that they weren’t going to concede in that area.

    Oh and those runs lead to wide open play action tds and key plays that ignited ablow out....but running isn't conducive to winning... Just perfect.

     




    Texans were actually the 12th ranked run D for ypc (tied). They have just had the fewest number of rushes against them in the whole league.

     

    Amazing. Even when the run is stinking the joint out with under 3 ypc, you find a way to credit it for the scoring the passing game gets. You have without a doubt a one track mind truechamp.

     
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    Here you go Z, I moved it to your thread so we wouldn;t lose it in the game thread.

    1.) First and foremost. There is no magic game plan -- sometimes passing twice as much as you run is a good game plan. Sometimes running 45-50 of the time is a good game plan. It DEPENDS ON THE TEAM AND SITUATION. Balance for balance sake is just silly. If they ran 50% of the time in the first 3 quarters this week ... they would not have had all those points. The Texans can be thrown against and are hard to run against. It's about MATCHUPS.

    I agree 100%. You have to play game plan football. This is why you trying to pound your chest about us winning and not using the run(after we established it leading to amazing play action production on the 1st drive) is foolish. You clearly show why any smart team would pass against a weak secondary and not run as much against a team that has DOMINATED the run. Oh btw we are 6th in the LG in rushing attempts, oh btw we lead the LG in rushing tds, and rushing 1st downs. Oh but this game shows us that you don't need a run game to win. Good one.

     Houston has the 4th ranked defense against the pass by passer rating. They have exactly as many INTs as NE, for fourth tied, they are 3rd in sacks, 8th in yardage. They have an elite pass defense. 

    6th in rushing attempts? So? NE didn't have those last season. They also beat teams then and had a 13-3 record ... that shows you don't need to be 6th in rushing attempts. They went 16-0 in 2007 without being 6th in rushing attempts. They were 12th in rushing attempts in 2003 when they won the Superbowl  .... your point??? It's like you don't even know the basic logic of arguement. Saying that they "won" because they are 6th in rushing is senseless. Oh wait ... NE is 5th in punting .... saying you can't win without being 5th in punting makes sense.. right?

    I am saying you can BECAUSE THEY HAVE AND HAVE DONE SO IN THE PAST AND IT IS GAME PLAN SPECIFIC. 

    2.) Run pass balance is dictated by situtation not abstract and arbitrary ratios. You don't run on 3rd and 9 just to say you are balanced. 

    Nobody ever said that. So I guess you are now the one making stuff up. I said running more against the 28th ranked run defense in the NY Giants was a GREAT situation to run.

     YEs, you did. You complain when they don't run, and half the time the run total dips is when they aren't running effectively, and/or are having terrible performance on 1st down. Both of those things diminish future chances to run because you cut your playbook down to a nub. BJGE was stuffed all game long. He had one 17 yard run on his third carry of the game ... over his other 9(!!!!) carries he had 27 yards for a 3 YPC. That is why they weren't running more ... because he wasn't moving the ball either ... GET OVER IT. It is obvious to anyone who watched the game. Just like this week ... Ridley had one decent run and was stuffed a whole bunch ... hence just 10 carries through the first 3.5 quarters ... the difference was how well they executed the other plays. 

    3.) PA/misdirection etc gains effectiveness based on how good you are at selling it and how much of a threat your RB is to the defense. Running more ... but running terribly won't make defenders "bite".

    Well we averaged 2.6 ypc in the 1st 3 qtrs so how was the play action working so well?? Whoops.

    Well it didn't work well because they ran it with their lead back alot .... did it? It likely worked well because a.) teams respect what Ridley can do in the open field, and b.) Tom sold the fakes as well as he ever has. 

    But I can assure ... statistically .... it wasn't working because they "were balanced out there with their lead back" because he wasn't getting carries. They ... in effect... abandoned the run.

    4.) Running more does nothing to improve the defense, getting better defenders improve the defense. Better defense improves defense.

    Running more then you did when you were a heavy pass/finesse offense leads to better T.O.P and limits your propensity for turnovers which puts your defense in a bad position,, but you being a coach would know that.

     TOP does nothing to help a defense. Geting first downs does ... whether the game clock is running or not is irrelevant to how much rest you get. You .... obvisously... have never played a down of football in your life ... have you? 

    I'll give you 2 minutes od TOP on three failed runs, you give me 2 minutes of TOP on 9 sucessful passes. I've been on the field 3-5 times longer than you ... surprise ... the game clock has moved the exact same amount of time. 

    5.) 90% of football is EXECUTION and gameplans minor changes (4 plays here or there) are meaningless compared to 4 plays poorly or well executed .... which creates a MAJOR swing. 

    Execution is a by-product of sound game planning and the ability to limit a defense's chances of stopping the play by guessing what it will be.....hence balance having an impact on a great offense....6th in the LG in rushing att's btw.

     Execution is a by product of practice. Game planning has nothing to do with it. You execute the play that is called. You win. 

    It's you that pushes your argument waaay past where it should end man. Running the football is not the sole deciding factor in whether a team wins or loses. And the number of times you run is usually based on the kind of situations you find yourself in rather than arbitary wishes of fans.

    I've never said that. I said passing 135 att;s to 55 rushes in 3 straight losses to the Gints(2 Super Bowls) was not a good idea. And I said that running in the post season is still as important as it ever was, since the defense's are better...but we didn't so it.

    I said, those totals are skewed because they didn't execute. It's a fact. If they had run their plays succesfully through the first three quarters ... they would have run the clock down some instead of having last quarters that were mad 20 pass attempt quarters, they would have had balanced, run heavy 4th quarters that would have changed that number. Play calling is situation specific dude. You call the plays you need to call .... when you are losing and need to score quick .... you call those plays. When you are trapped in lots of 3rd and longs, you call tons of passing plays. Get it? You don't run BJGE on 3rd and 11 to say you were balanced. 

    Sorry... I have coached and played. That's how it works dude. 

     

    And for the record I love the improved (ie more effective, not more reps) running game .... but it is meaningless compared to how much an improved defense increases stands to increase their chances.

    Bill Belichick coaches and builds this defense. It has never been as bad as fans like you and babe have made it out to be, and whether it supports your argument or not it has been in rebuilding mode. If we were to win a SB in the last 5 years you and everybody else knows deep down that our offense was going to have to score more then 15.5 points per game... but a 90 pass to 35 run ratio in 2 losses didn't get that done.  Lets hope we have balance in the playoffs and utilize the skills of the best play ation QB to have ever walked the face of the earth

    Of course they would have ... those defenses were not good. Unlike earlier in the decade ... they couldn't get away with scoring 14 points, 17 points, 19 points, and getting a win. Unfortunately .... no matter what your balance is, or who is running the ball ... sometimes you don't score 30 points. 

    Let's hope we EXECUTE in the playoffs, or that the defense can play a game like this when the offense isn't there, and maybe GASP win one for the team in a big spot .... something that hasn't happened in almost a decade. 




     
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    This just in from Mikey..

    Sharing some halftime thoughts December, 10, 2012 Dec 10 10:03 PM ET By Mike Reiss | ESPNBoston.com

    FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- Sharing some thoughts at halftime as the Patriots lead the Texans 21-0 at Gillette Stadium.

    Impressive performance from the Patriots, and a few things stand out.

    Receiver Brandon Lloyd said all the right things as criticism was growing last week (link here), and has followed that up with a few big catches -- a sideline grab on third down and then the long touchdown pass. Lloyd’s presence as an outside receiver is showing up tonight, as is his overall professionalism.

    The Patriots opened with three straight runs, which was a statement of sorts because the Texans entered as the NFL’s No. 2-ranked run defense in terms of fewest yards allowed per game. Part of that was tied to teams not really testing them, as opponents averaged just a shade more than 21 carries per game against them, a league-low. The Patriots showed from the first three snaps that they weren’t going to concede in that area.

    Oh and those runs lead to wide open play action tds and key plays that ignited ablow out....but running isn't conducive to winning... Just perfect.

     



    Of course you float by the contribution from Lloyd also. Love that. That dude was huge against an ALLPRO CORNER. In fact, he was the difference... if they had a player like him against the Jets a few years ago they may have moved on. 

    Whatever ... here is your argumentative logic after this post.

    If NE wins, no matter how FEW times they run it ... it's because they ran it. 

    If NE loses, no matter how MANY times they run it ... it's because they didn't run it.

    The fact being ... they win when they execute and lose when they do not.

    And that is the part where you can take some friendly pointers and save yourself angina over digging through newsclips and trying to explain stat lines that don't make sense with what you said a week ago, or a few weeks ago, or last season, or two seasons ago, or what you said a few posts ago. Again.

    The fact being ... they win when they execute and lose when they do not.

    Hence your theory is consistently aggravated by games they run hard in and lose (the Jets playoff game, the Ravens game earlier this season) or the games they win against elite [passing] defenses without running a lot (this game this week, the Pitt game two years ago, the Denver game last season and many others). And then you end up in situations like this, where you claim 4TDS and an absolute spanking of an elite pass defense happened because they ran the ball 3 times to start the game ... then passed it 33 times out of the next 45-50 snaps for 300 yards and 4TDs. 

    Haha. Yes TC ... those three runs ... it got those Texans shaking. Or wait ... was it that NE didn't run a lot because it was a good game plan ... you said that too? Which is it? The three runs? The 6th in attempts? The fact that passing was a good idea because Texas has a weak pass defense (JJ Watt, Manning, Joseph, lololol)? 

    TC, you've gone over board. 

    This conversation is closed. I can't even debate with someone who just runs past the facts and stipulations HE sets up. Later.

     
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    Tom Brady in response to his 2nd question of the post game regarding how effective the play ation was...

    {It was great. When your running the ball you can use that play action. We scored on the play to Brandon, and had a few other really critical plays trying to fake the run, and you can get some great seperation of the defense when it happens.}



    Yes!

    Exactly why PA is MORE EFFECTIVE under Ridley and LESS effective under BJGE. 

    You keep saying it's great now stunk then. 

    Well ... it worked tonight ... and worked when they weren't even running the ball. But if you CAN run it ... teams pay attention. 

    PA is about the threat of the running back ... not the number of times you run it with a crappy runner.

    This game proves that definitively ... as have others in the past. 

    33 passes ... just 10 runs by the lead back ... that is MORE imbalanced than the 3.5 quarters of the Jets Pats playoff game you howled, and howled and howled about. 

    It was imblance then ... but it's balance now.... WHAT GIVES?????!!!!!!????!!!?

    Be for real dude.... be for real. Just say you were wrong. 

    What gives?? Can't you just explain that to me?




    Hey how did 90 passes to 35 rushes work out for the 07 and 11 SB teams? Hey, be real dude, be real...how did it work out?

    Oh, oh...we must have just not executed that day. Dumb luck is what wins football games right coach?




    How did 2.8 ypc and 3.6 ypc from the backs work out for the 07 and 11 SB teams?

    THAT is exactly what bad execution is. Every football coach who ever lived knows you don't keep doing what is FAILING.



    This is the complete nonsense. They run more in the Superbowl or some playoff game ... and it's not enough for PA to work. And they gripe and gripe. Then NE runs it less with a lower YPC in this game ... and TC has the nuts to ask me how PA passing is working???

    It worked because they executed the play. OMFG.

    The absolute saddest part  is that this has to do with one thing ... people who want something to "say" about a game that is critical that makes them feel like they "know better."

    It's incredibly difficult to actually get in there and discuss the fundamentals of a play, how someone did something wrong, rather than just say ... well if we had run it 4-5 more times we would have won ... then crack a beer, then call it a night as a genius. 

    It's reductive football talk that has little if anything to do with what ACTUALLY happens in a game. 

     
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    Tom Brady in response to his 2nd question of the post game regarding how effective the play ation was...

    {It was great. When your running the ball you can use that play action. We scored on the play to Brandon, and had a few other really critical plays trying to fake the run, and you can get some great seperation of the defense when it happens.}



    Yes!

    Exactly why PA is MORE EFFECTIVE under Ridley and LESS effective under BJGE. 

    You keep saying it's great now stunk then. 

    Well ... it worked tonight ... and worked when they weren't even running the ball. But if you CAN run it ... teams pay attention. 

    PA is about the threat of the running back ... not the number of times you run it with a crappy runner.

    This game proves that definitively ... as have others in the past. 

    33 passes ... just 10 runs by the lead back ... that is MORE imbalanced than the 3.5 quarters of the Jets Pats playoff game you howled, and howled and howled about. 

    It was imblance then ... but it's balance now.... WHAT GIVES?????!!!!!!????!!!?

    Be for real dude.... be for real. Just say you were wrong. 

    What gives?? Can't you just explain that to me?




    Hey how did 90 passes to 35 rushes work out for the 07 and 11 SB teams? Hey, be real dude, be real...how did it work out?

    Oh, oh...we must have just not executed that day. Dumb luck is what wins football games right coach?




    How did 2.8 ypc and 3.6 ypc from the backs work out for the 07 and 11 SB teams?

    THAT is exactly what bad execution is. Every football coach who ever lived knows you don't keep doing what is FAILING.



    This is the complete nonsense. They run more in the Superbowl or some playoff game ... and it's not enough for PA to work. And they gripe and gripe. Then NE runs it less with a lower YPC in this game ... and TC has the nuts to ask me how PA passing is working???

    It worked because they executed the play. OMFG.

    The absolute saddest part  is that this has to do with one thing ... people who want something to "say" about a game that is critical that makes them feel like they "know better."

    It's incredibly difficult to actually get in there and discuss the fundamentals of a play, how someone did something wrong, rather than just say ... well if we had run it 4-5 more times we would have won ... then crack a beer, then call it a night as a genius. 

    It's reductive football talk that has little if anything to do with what ACTUALLY happens in a game. 

     
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    Re: Mayo and absolute FORCE.

    In response to zbellino's comment:

    In response to mthurl's comment:

    Defense defenders enjoy your night - well deserved - and they don't come around very often. Hopefully this is the way it's going to be, if it is this team will win the Super Bowl this year when we get Gronk back. Avoid injuries the rest of the way (not that there is anything you can do), get a little bit of luck...get the bye...home field and rip it. 



    Not a defender ... not really a detractor. 

    The defense has been what it has been. 

    But Mayo is a very durned good player. 

    The fact that DMC couldn't play corner, and the defensive backfield was a mess for so long had little to do with him. This team has been an abysmal PASS defense. Mayo plays little part in that. 

    Dennard + Talib + DMC at safety = something that is starting to look like an NFL caliber pass defense. 

    Mayo took the game over tonight. 



    Mayo was fantastic.  The secondary is much better too, with Talib, Dennard, and DMC in.  But when Talib got hurt and Arrington took over for him things deteriorated I thought.  Arrington had a great game on special teams and when he was playing slot corner or nickel back, but he's just no good on the outside.  I assume Talib will be back next week - - - he didn't look too bad on the sideline, but they were clearly holding him out since he didn't have his helmet with him after the injury. 

     

     
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    This just in from Mikey..

    Sharing some halftime thoughts December, 10, 2012 Dec 10 10:03 PM ET By Mike Reiss | ESPNBoston.com

    FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- Sharing some thoughts at halftime as the Patriots lead the Texans 21-0 at Gillette Stadium.

    Impressive performance from the Patriots, and a few things stand out.

    Receiver Brandon Lloyd said all the right things as criticism was growing last week (link here), and has followed that up with a few big catches -- a sideline grab on third down and then the long touchdown pass. Lloyd’s presence as an outside receiver is showing up tonight, as is his overall professionalism.

    The Patriots opened with three straight runs, which was a statement of sorts because the Texans entered as the NFL’s No. 2-ranked run defense in terms of fewest yards allowed per game. Part of that was tied to teams not really testing them, as opponents averaged just a shade more than 21 carries per game against them, a league-low. The Patriots showed from the first three snaps that they weren’t going to concede in that area.

    Oh and those runs lead to wide open play action tds and key plays that ignited ablow out....but running isn't conducive to winning... Just perfect.

     



     You have without a doubt a one track mind truechamp.




    Exactly why I'm done. 

    I can't debate with someone who backtracks their own premise. NE ran the ball worse tonight than they did in the Jets playoff loss, when he cried about it for years afterward. According to him .... that amount of running should have been MORE THAN ENOUGH to set Brady up ... right?

    Unless the difference was the respect BJGE commands  (none to little) versus the respect Ridley commands, or MORE LIKELY the BIG difference was ...

    a dropped TD by Crumpler ....

    an underthrown swing pass to Benny that was an INT ...

    a defense that was bullied around by Mark Sanchez instead of a defense that was beating up on Schaub, Johnson, and Foster ...

    in short ... EXECUTION. 

     
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    That is all. Took the game over tonight. 



    excuse me but he does little of that if wilfork doesnt dominate teh line.

    wilfork was  the player on de who took the game over and was my player of the game (gotta give brady a coplayer, great game by him).

     
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    In response to zbellino's comment:

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    Defense defenders enjoy your night - well deserved - and they don't come around very often. Hopefully this is the way it's going to be, if it is this team will win the Super Bowl this year when we get Gronk back. Avoid injuries the rest of the way (not that there is anything you can do), get a little bit of luck...get the bye...home field and rip it. 



    Not a defender ... not really a detractor. 

    The defense has been what it has been. 

    But Mayo is a very durned good player. 

    The fact that DMC couldn't play corner, and the defensive backfield was a mess for so long had little to do with him. This team has been an abysmal PASS defense. Mayo plays little part in that. 

    Dennard + Talib + DMC at safety = something that is starting to look like an NFL caliber pass defense. 

    Mayo took the game over tonight. 



    i loved the way bb is playing more man de and blitzing and pressuring the qb more. 

    mayo looked very good when blitzing

     
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    McCourty will be a pro bowl safety. Should've resigned him when he was sucking at cb, he and spikes are gonna come at a hefty price (bye welker)

     

    As for Mayo, I had my doubts on him as a special player. Always just considered him just a solid player, not great, but solid. He's been a different man since Talib came in. He's an underrated blitzer. Talib has completely changed the dynamic of this team



    you are absoliutely right, and i asked on this board/wished for bb to use him (talib) this way.. and dennard (and to bring more pressure). bb has done it and the def tonight is the result.

     
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    I thought Hightower out played him.  But unlike Rusty who hates Brady I want Mayo to live up to that top 10 pick and I will root for him and the Defense.  I do think your creaming a bit hard though.  Vince was an unstoppable force that lead this awesome defense tonight.....period.    Anyone else notice how Spikes disappeared tonight?



    "Vince was an unstoppable force that lead this awesome defense tonight.....period.  "

    you are absolutely right

     
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    Unfortunatley mayo just isn't very good.

    Neither is McCourty, or those problem guys Dennard and Talib.

    VW is slowing down too, and hightower looked lost as usual.

    Tom Brady showed he doesn't need a running game ever and if McD is smart he will employ a heavy dose of the shotgun spread in the playoffs and keep that bum running game off the field.

    But he isn't smart and he suks as an offensive co.

    Our O-line is also garbage and we have no talent on offense.

    We desperately need a deep threat but our bum GM Bill Belichick has failed at the team building concept and inherited all of his Super Bowl rosters.

    Oh yeah and those red white and blue uniforms that represent the United States of America are ugly and should be burned.

    In short....this team suks.



    McCourty wasn't a very good corner. HE has been a pretty durned good Safety, even in the short stint last season. 

    And in case you missed it ... McD and Brady killed it tonight putting on a pass clinic, against the #2 defense, in what amounts to an in season playoff game. 

    So I'll add....

    "You can't win without running your lead back and balance." to the "Myths" propogated on the board?

    33 passes, just 10 runs by Ridley through 3 and a half quarters. 

    That is just 10 runs by the lead back. 

    35 points. 

    #2 defense. 

    What happened?




    Why are you choosing to leave out the fact that Houston has only let up 1 100 yard rushing game and 1 game with a rushing td all year. Why would we run at them? You trying to say that our pass heavy game plan against a weak pass defense means we don't need balance is a puzzling statement.

    Oh and DMC was a good corner who had zero safety help in his career here. But being a former coach you probably wouldn't realize the impact solid safety play has on a CB's ability to cover. DMC is our best player in the secondary, he is right place right time, has amazing range and is one of the best tackling D-backs in the NFL....sounds like moving him to safety makes sense and shouldn't be viewed as an indictment of his ability to play CB.




    I think McCourty is just better suited to S. Watching him at CB, his biggest problem was looking back for the ball. As a safety his angles are much different and that part of his technique is less crucial. Coming out of college he was touted as a good safety prospect as well. The overall poor play of Chung, the emergence of Dennard and the snagging of Talib allowed BB to create something much better than we saw last season in the secondary. His all in on D for the draft gave us two studs for the front 7 and a couple others that contribute. So far this D looks VERY different than last year's model, at this point.



    "I think McCourty is just better suited to S."

    there is absolutley no doubt

     
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    Unfortunatley mayo just isn't very good.

    Neither is McCourty, or those problem guys Dennard and Talib.

    VW is slowing down too, and hightower looked lost as usual.

    Tom Brady showed he doesn't need a running game ever and if McD is smart he will employ a heavy dose of the shotgun spread in the playoffs and keep that bum running game off the field.

    But he isn't smart and he suks as an offensive co.

    Our O-line is also garbage and we have no talent on offense.

    We desperately need a deep threat but our bum GM Bill Belichick has failed at the team building concept and inherited all of his Super Bowl rosters.

    Oh yeah and those red white and blue uniforms that represent the United States of America are ugly and should be burned.

    In short....this team suks.



    McCourty wasn't a very good corner. HE has been a pretty durned good Safety, even in the short stint last season. 

    And in case you missed it ... McD and Brady killed it tonight putting on a pass clinic, against the #2 defense, in what amounts to an in season playoff game. 

    So I'll add....

    "You can't win without running your lead back and balance." to the "Myths" propogated on the board?

    33 passes, just 10 runs by Ridley through 3 and a half quarters. 

    That is just 10 runs by the lead back. 

    35 points. 

    #2 defense. 

    What happened?



    houston played man to man in the secondary happened.

    brady did his magic

    if you dont use the run, the pass can be stopped. 

    07 proved that if anyone was watching. 

    same as eaerlier losses this year.

     
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