Re: Mayo is just not that good.
posted at 11/25/2012 9:12 AM EST
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This is a dumb thread, with weaksauce arguments.
1.) Mayo is one of the best LBs in football, he's easily top 10.
2.) Mayo doesn't make "clutch plays", sure, but how many times have you seen a QB target Mayo to make a key 3rd down conversion or a RB run right at him to convert a 4th and short. We already know the guy tackles everything that moves, so what makes you think the problem is that he's not clutch and not that he's not been asked to make a clutch play yet?
3.) Comparing Mayo's sack numbers to the likes of Clay Mathews, D-Ware and LaMarr Woodley is stupid. Those guys play OLB in a 3-4, 4-3 OLBs aren't sack men unless asked to blitz. Until last week, BB rarely ever sent a blitz.
4.) Why is it that you guys only think a guy is good if he has big stats. Asante Samuel made a ton of INTs, but he costed us a ton of TDs because he jumped routes. He also couldn't set the edge to save his life. By your standards, Arrington was one of the best CBs in the league last year since he was tied for the league lead in INTs.
5.) Don't know who the idiot is that said Mayo, of all people, was second behind Love as the worst player on the starting 11, but Ninkovich is second to Love in terms of lack of talent. Just because Ninkovich has a lot of FFs it doesn't mean he's talented. Nink the Dink gets one on one on every player. Chandler and Wilfork draw double coverage, that's why Nink is usually left free. The guy should be owning on every play, but he rarely ever pressures the QB. Don't know why Bequette can't get on the field when UDRFA Francis has, but he's supposed the be the NFL ready DE. He's looking like a B word if he can't beat out a scrub like Ninkovich.
Mayo is the fastest player in the front 7, he's the smartest, he's the quickest. In terms of pure talent, in the front 7, Mayo is second only to Vince.
Mayo is a better LB, in terms of talent, than Bruschi ever was. Tedy was fortunate enough to play with a fantastic defense around him, while Mayo has had to play with scrubs. But, as someone said earlier, if Mayo had Ty Warren (when he was good), Seymour, Wilfork and Jarvis Green (When he was good) lined up in front of him he would be a world beater too.
Tell me what makes him this great player you say he is. You mention him being the fastest player in our front seven (and he may be), but it means nothing if the guy doesn't react quickly after the snap. To me that's what he does. He's the smartest? First of all Brandon Spikes doesn't seem like the brightest bulb and neither was Ty Law, but they were football smart....I don't see that with Mayo. He is the quickest guy in our front seven? Maybe he is, but again it means nothing when you can't read the play right away and your feet start heading in the wrong direction.
Too me for a guy that is supposed to be such a huge part of a defense, I've never seen someone have as little an impact. He's big, he's fast, he's quick., he's a smart good guy...yet I watch the games, I watch him - he's almost never making an impact. Unless this guy is just one of the most suttle players of all time or being used wrong, I don't see it. He is playing with one of the greatest defensive nose tackles of all time in front of him, he should have a lot of tackles...they just shouldn't be 7 yards down the field. If Bruschi had his size and speed, he'd be in the Hall of Fame.
I've got to be wrong, I mean they signed him to a 45 million dollar deal, he is always on the field, he leads the league in tackles...yet I just don't get it. I listen to him on the radio and he is very funny and likeable. He looks like a linebacker is supposed to look. I wanted a fast guy in the middle of this defense for years. Maybe if he was on those better defenses he would play like I thought he was going to play, but I don't see it now. I've got to be wrong because everyone loves this guy.
you have it just right. agree with your analysis above. he is good, not great. not 45 mil dollar man to me, but he aint bad. and hes ours. i would have liked to sign him to a considerably less expensive contract at the time.
"Mayo is a better linbacker at talent than Bruschi ever was"
I'll be kind here. When Mayo spots 3 SB rings we can continue this discussion. Bruschi was the heart and sole to the Pats D just as Vince is today. At this point in Mayo's career ANYONE who would pick him over Bruschi is well.....plain foolish.
Wow, are you really trying to say that Tedy was the reason we won 3 SBs? Like the defense Tedy played in was not a top 5 defense thanks to the abundance of talent on the defensive side the ball?
I love Tedy, great player, but he was the 5th best player on defense in 2001(Seymour, Law, McGinest and Milloy), the 5th best player in 2003 (Seymour, Law, McGinest and Harrison) and the 6th best player on defense in 2004 (Seymour, Law, McGinest, Harrison and Warren).
Let's be honest here, any middle linebacker would flourish playing in front of Richard Seymour, just like Spikes is doing a bang up job playing in front of Wilfork.