McCourty not even a top 10 CB?

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    [QUOTE]I like Ronde Barber a lot even if he is old.  He was great back in the day. I think Leigh Bodden can be on that top 10 list with a pass rush here. Absolutely. Asamgoua is still the best.  Once Revis strings together the years that Asamouga has, then, he goes past him. Revis is at #2 in my book. There are some very good CBs too, like Quentin Jammer, Leon Hall, etc, who aren't GREAT per se, but consistently very good. Brandon Flowers is another. I see McCourty on this top 10 list by the end of next year.
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    One could argue that McCourty already belongs towards the bottom of the list, not just based on interceptions, but also passes defensed and a plus/minus grading system on his contributions to plays (he was a consistently good cover man - I particularly remember Matt Flynn challenging him twice early in the Packers game with him breaking up both fade passes; thereafter, Flynn tried his luck with Arrington, and wouldn't have even done as well there if Merriweather didn't take such a bad route to the ball...)

    Quentin Jammer's had a LOT of bad years until he figured it out last season.  Ronde Barber plays in the Cover 2, which helps mask the fact that he's aged, but I do also like him.  Good call on Leon Hall, although he had a down year last year.

    I'd say the second tier is, in no particular order: older Ronde Barber, Jonathan Joseph, Leon Hall, Chris Gamble, Joe Haden, healthy Leigh Bodden, McCourty, Cromartie, Dunta Robinson, and Asante Samuel (who could be top-notch whenever he feels like it)
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: McCourty not even a top 10 CB? : One could argue that McCourty already belongs towards the bottom of the list, not just based on interceptions, but also passes defensed and a plus/minus grading system on his contributions to plays (he was a consistently good cover man - I particularly remember Matt Flynn challenging him twice early in the Packers game with him breaking up both fade passes; thereafter, Flynn tried his luck with Arrington, and wouldn't have even done as well there if Merriweather didn't take such a bad route to the ball...) Quentin Jammer's had a LOT of bad years until he figured it out last season.  Ronde Barber plays in the Cover 2, which helps mask the fact that he's aged, but I do also like him.  Good call on Leon Hall, although he had a down year last year. I'd say the second tier is, in no particular order: older Ronde Barber, Jonathan Joseph, Leon Hall, Chris Gamble, Joe Haden, healthy Leigh Bodden, McCourty, Cromartie, Dunta Robinson, and Asante Samuel (who could be top-notch whenever he feels like it)
    Posted by Artist-Frmrly-Knwn-As-NickC1188[/QUOTE]

    Another guy who quietly has pretty good years is Marcus Trufant in Seattle.  Not top 10, but a good CB.

    Haden had a very good rookie year, yes.

    I like Jabari Greer and Tracy Porter a lot. Very good duo.




     
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    [QUOTE]I agree that by the end of next season he will be a top 10 CB. Jonathan Joseph is another good one that doesnt get noticed. The Bangles have two really good CBs
    Posted by MVPkilla4life[/QUOTE]

    Sorry killa, This 2010 year Devin McCourty was undoubtedly, without any question whatsoever, A Top 10 CB...zero doubt.  Personally, I say he was Top 5...Simply in 2010, Find me 5 CBs who had his simple & absurd combo of TTs, PDs, & INTs...it's that easy.  And DMC had sh#t for a pass-rush, and you KNOW in BB's bend-don't-break Fairbanks-Bulloughs original form of the 3-4 D, gets even MORE conservative than it is already, once NE is up later in the game, anyone watching saw firsthand that DMC's INTs not just came in single-coverage, but in steady man-coverage, wherein DMC was not merely jumping routes ala Asante Samuel.  I can go on and on here...The fact that he's a 1st year CB who's learning a new defense, playing against guys & professional players, who he's never faced before, the fact that as a rook, he'll be picked on, the fact that he was simply thrown in as NE's #1 CB after Bodden went down, so he was either playing press-man on the oppossing team's #1 wideout, or zone on the strong-side of the field...

    C'mmmon people.  Jesus.  Reality Check.  Enough's enough...I let this amusing absurdity go on long enough.  In 2010 DMC was without ANY question, whatsoever, In the Top 8 CBs (and imo, EASILY, top 5)...  In 2011 (IF 2011), He'll be in the top 3...count on it (and if he isn't already).
     
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    That person has to be a Colts fan.
     
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    Did the Pats go 14-2 in spite of the secondary? I say no.

    The stats say they were 30th in the NFL for total passing yards.
    But they were 1st in the NFL for interceptions.
    People love to cite blind stats.

    Those of us who watched every game know McCourty had a great season. I would put him in the top ten. He was a godsend to this team in the regular season.
     
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    [QUOTE]Lazzzzzz haaaassss spokennnnnnn................................
    Posted by Sam-Adams[/QUOTE]

    Lmao SA~
    Ya know, I can actually see my brand of superior contempt and misplaced hatred in that very guy's eyes... 
     
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    One thing to consider, too, is that having corners who can cover well man-to-man will improve the pass rush. The Jets play a lot of man-to-man and feel comfortable committing safeties and linebackers to the pass rush rather than coverage. This is in large part because they feel comfortable letting Revis and Cromartie cover man-to-man without a lot of safety help.

    What I like so far about McCourty is his man-to-man skills look good. The Pats play a lot of zone coverage with the safeties deep.  With better man-to-man skills in their corners, they can be more aggressive upfront, sending LBs and safeties toward the QB rather than keeping them back to support pass coverage.
     
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    [QUOTE] I didnt let Mayo's first season go to my head as a fan and I wont let DMC's either. Killa, if McCourty improves with a pass rush the way Mayo did with Spikes this kid will be top 3. Lmao SA ~ Ya know, I can actually see my brand of superior contempt and misplaced hatred in that very guy's eyes... Laz, just havin fun dude, you know I love ya. Have you been back to the cigar store yet for any engaging conversation? 
    Posted by Sam-Adams[/QUOTE]

    Yea...I sat down and we started NFL Owners & The Player's Union, & so we were talking politics...  They're all conservative Republicans, I said that I'm slightly different and that I'm a little to the left of being a liberal Socialist.  1 of the less-ahh "Intellectual" fellas, said something like: "So, are you saying that you like Obama and what HE'S doing, considering he's pretty much in the liberal socialist camp...?"  I replied, "Yea, but I liked him back in the day when he was an ACTUAL apparent liberal."  THEN lol, 1 guy just smirked while nodding his head, and replied, "Ya wanna know what me & the other execs at my office are dubbing his presidency...?  Bush's third term in office."  Then he gave me a nice cigar...so in turn, I pledged him my vote for WhomeverTH he believes will be the best potential next president.   
     
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    "Slightly to the left" of a Socialist? So, you are a Communist?

    Nothing wrong with wanting to be a Communist, but it sort of makes very little sense if you live in this country and benefit from not living in a Communist country.  Not that there is a benefit to Communism.

    Can you name a society that has progressed living under Communist rule?

    Because I can't. 
     
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    BBReigns ... it makes perfect sense when you dont think about it.
     
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    [QUOTE]"Slightly to the left" of a Socialist? So, you are a Communist? Nothing wrong with wanting to be a Communist, but it sort of makes very little sense if you live in this country and benefit from not living in a Communist country.  Not that there is a benefit to Communism. Can you name a society that has progressed living under Communist rule? Because I can't. 
    Posted by BBReigns[/QUOTE]

    Noooo, Commies to me are nothin' but right-wing seperatist tree-huggers.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: McCourty not even a top 10 CB? : Noooo, Commies to me are nothin' but right-wing seperatist tree-huggers.
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    Either I missed your joke or you may want to read a little deeper.
     
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    [QUOTE]One thing to consider, too, is that having corners who can cover well man-to-man will improve the pass rush. The Jets play a lot of man-to-man and feel comfortable committing safeties and linebackers to the pass rush rather than coverage. This is in large part because they feel comfortable letting Revis and Cromartie cover man-to-man without a lot of safety help. What I like so far about McCourty is his man-to-man skills look good. The Pats play a lot of zone coverage with the safeties deep.  With better man-to-man skills in their corners, they can be more aggressive upfront, sending LBs and safeties toward the QB rather than keeping them back to support pass coverage.
    Posted by prolate0spheroid[/QUOTE]

    There is is a Safety over the top a lot of times for the Jets.

    NY plays plenty of man, but you can count on Jim Leonhard, Brodney Pool or Eric Smith trying to cover.

    BB likes to use zone to disguise, not just because he's CBs supposedly can't cover.

    I'll take McCourty and Bodden any day of the week (over really any duo in this league) based on what I've seen from them (in zone or man) with really no semblance of  a pass rush, especially against better O Lines.

    NE needs a rush without using more stunts or blitzes and they can get that with more explosion on the outside at DE and OLB.  We know WIlfork can penetrate.

    The difference is, Ryan takes more risks with blitzes.  And they play more man than NE does. Agreed there.

    But this rhetoric about Revis or Cromartie on an island all the time is not really accurate, in my opinion.  It seems like when Revis is left alone more so than he should, he gets beat.

    Look at that Moss TD in Week 2, for example. That's one game.  He gets beat when tries to play with no safety help. 

    There are many examples where Revis is beaten and it's usually when he's left alone.

    At times, each may be left by themselves just like a lot of CBs in this league, but it's not a constant thing like the Jets want you to believe.
     

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