McCourty not even a top 10 CB?

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    [QUOTE]I don't get it.  You clowns were all claiming he was the best in the AFC.  Although, it was pretty obvious he was not, considering how awful that pass D was.  As I said earlier in the year, the Jets had two CBs better than anyone on that pathetic patsie roster, hurt or not.  Football Outsiders does not lie. http://footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2011/best-cornerback-charting-stats-2010
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    Phat Rex please call it a day and never post such stupidity ever again.
    Mccourty not top 10?Name ten better I would love to hear about them and some sort of backing behind it.That article is complete trash and irrevelant because he doesnt actually mean to anyone with half a brain these are the hands down top 10 cornerbacks.Because if you watched any football and had any knowledge in football you would know that.It simply takes a single statistic measure and presents it to you.Heres a post by the author himself of the article explaining trying to explain it to you Phat Rex

    "Aaron Schatz :: Fri, 03/18/2011 - 1:52pm

    One thing I want to make clear. Both in this article, and in Wednesday's, people seem to be confusing "presentation of numbers" with "analysis." This isn't analysis. This is presentation of numbers. The ranking in a single statistical metric does not tell you a player's worth. You need to look at the whole picture in context. I'm honestly not even trying to do that in this article."

     
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    Next Jets fan are gonna be telling me Mark Sanchez is a good quarterback.Oh wait they already do lol.
     
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    In Response to Re: McCourty not even a top 10 CB? : Sure that's all that counts, if you live in the past.  I care as much about that as I did 1918, which is not at all.  But hey, if it makes you feel better that the patsies had success 6 years ago and counting, that's all that really matters.  By your logic, you'd think that you'd be pretty upset that you choked against the team that you were suppose to crush (that at 43 years and counting).
    Posted by PhatRex


    The past? Does that mean you're planning on announcing that you're winning the Lombardy trophy again? You have no past in the last 43 years and you have no future either. OK maybe you do if we count you and Rex making a fool out of yourselves. I guess that can be called a certain future.

    And by the way little bug I'm not crushed at all. It's only you whose life is so pathetic that you have to rely on a sports team winning or trolling this site to feel like your existance has meaning. I seem to recall you posting that you were leaving here for the off season. Not that anyone believed you. You're entirely too mentally defective to stay away from the only thing that makes you feel like a man.
     
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    In Response to Re: McCourty not even a top 10 CB? : You're right.  Those 10 guys are not the best 10.  They just happen to be the 10 that played the best at the CB position. 
    Posted by PhatRex


    Your comments just get worse by the minute.I didnt know joselio hanson was the best cb on the eagles nor stanford routt was even the best cb on the raiders.Also didnt know sean smith was the best cb on even the dolphins.Do you watch football on a serious note lol
     
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    Chungallday, I dont recognize your tag so incase you dont know im a Pats fan but if you are going to try and tell me Mark Sanchez is not a "good" QB then you are wrong. Sanchez might not be a great QB or even a very good QB but he is definitely a good QB. And his record as a starter in the only stat that matters (The wins) backs that up. He is not very good but he is good enough. And McCourty was very good in his rookie season but im willing to say he was not a top 10. Maybe he was a top 15 and he was definitely in the top 20 but he was not quite a top 10. I dont think thats too bad either considering he was a rookie with no pass rush. The only thing I take issue with is PhatRex saying McCourty was average cause thats simply not true.
    Posted by MVPkilla4life


    You know how the bugboy of many names is. He posts his crap here just to get a rise out of people. Then he brags to his dungeon and dragon friends about how he 'spanked' someone from Boston. His entire ego is wrapped around this site.
     
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    Chungallday, I dont recognize your tag so incase you dont know im a Pats fan but if you are going to try and tell me Mark Sanchez is not a "good" QB then you are wrong. Sanchez might not be a great QB or even a very good QB but he is definitely a good QB. And his record as a starter in the only stat that matters (The wins) backs that up. He is not very good but he is good enough. And McCourty was very good in his rookie season but im willing to say he was not a top 10. Maybe he was a top 15 and he was definitely in the top 20 but he was not quite a top 10. I dont think thats too bad either considering he was a rookie with no pass rush. The only thing I take issue with is PhatRex saying McCourty was average cause thats simply not true.
    Posted by MVPkilla4life

    I am not trying to be critical to another pats fan but I objectively disagree with you .A qb is a crucial position but you can not translate someone being basically good at their individual position into wins and losses which is a category based not on a position but a whole team.Yes it can help you win but if you have a great defense like the jets a great offensive line and a serviceable qb (sanchez) you can still get wins.I think right now sanchez is serviceable he is not "good" yet he only completes about 50% of his passes and has 33 interceptions through 2 seasons thats one less then joe flacco through 3 seasons.Why the comparison because I think flacco is a good qb not a great one (yet) and definately not a bad one.So in my opinion sanchez is a serviceable qb through two seasons maybe growing into a good qb over time but not through two seasons.And just to better understand where I am coming from i dont group players into very good i keep it simple bad,good,great.Serviceable would be between bad and good.

    And i accept that you as a pats fan don't think mccourty is a top 10 in the nfl but i personally do I would put him in the 10 best.Especially considering his skill at the cb position imagine if we had a pass rush.
     
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    I agree with P Chung. He's stastically the worst of the new, young QBs who has benefitted from a top rushing attack and a good D. The stats reflect his play. The wins are certainly all that matter, but those were not because of his play, generally speaking, obviously. He won a few games because of some nice plays, but other than that, he's erratic and inconsistent.  I will say he doesn't completely botch plays over and over.  He did improve from his horrendous rookie year of 12 TDs and 20 INTs.  So, that's a plus for him. He's Jay Cutler Jr. Mediocre. Good is Cassel, Flacco, Cutler, Orton, Garrard, etc. Cassel essentially had 2 Pro Bowl years out his first 3 starting (2008 and 2010).
    Posted by BBReigns


    Bugboy reminds me of some of electronics manufacturers I deal with. When your own product fails to live up to your marketing hype you're left with nothing to do except attack the competition. When reps do this it immediately makes me suspicious of the claims they're making about their own products.

    Funniest is that the Jets fans and organization brings it on themselves with their constant chest pounding and stupid predictions.
     
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    Rusty dont take it personally that im not going to respond to you but you and I have had this conversation before so im going to focus on P Chung. Chung you didnt lash out at me so already you get props for keeping a level head. But as a die hard Pats fan I can honestly say that a lot of Pats fans need to take off the Pats glasses. I say this because when it comes to the Pats its ok to say something but another team like the Jets and you get a completly different answer. In 2005 if a Colts fan had flonted Peyton Manning's MVP's and stats and said he was better then Brady 99.9% of Pats fans would say Brady has the best stat of all and thats wins or wins in the playoff's. But here you are telling me the same exact argument can not be used for Sanchez and thats just not right to me. If that argument was ok for Brady in his early career its ok for Sanchez. And im not saying he is as good as Brady was at that point just that its the same argument. Sanchez wins games, he keeps it close or his team keeps it close and he pulls out a win. He has a very good playoff record. Basically I just dont like one way streets, if Pats fans excepted the idea that Brady was great because he won games whether he won pretty of ugly didnt matter then the same can be said for anyone else including a Jet. And on that note I would like to say that IMO if Joe Flacco was a Jet you would be saying the same thing about him whether its true or not. The only reason he gets credit is because he is a raven and not a Jet. Not that we like the Ravens but they are not the Jets. I am just not one of those fans who will say bad things about a player simply cause he is a Jet. Sanchez to me is a good not great QB. And if he gets better each year in a few years he will be a very good QB. Lets hope that does not happen. Personally I would rather have Matt Cassel then Sanchez. And as for McCourty I am just not going to put him in that class yet trhe same way I wouldnt put Mayo in that class till he did it more then once. Many rookies have good rookie years and flame out so I will wait till I see McCourty do it on a consistent basis before I go all gaga for the kid. MAyo proved he is who we thought he was and so now I am ok with saying he is one of the best. And McCourty will do that too IMO but right now he is a very good CB but not a top 10. But I do see why some would jump to that conclusion cause he was very good and clutch last season.
    Posted by MVPkilla4life



    See i understand where you are coming from in that I feel the same way about some Pats fans and fans of any team in general of hating automatically a rival teams players just on prinicipal.Although I do find it stupid that you form this opinion that I am a certain way without prior facts or info to group me as such a fan because my opinion differs with yours.Personally I feel the Pat fans you are referring to who one minute make an argument using one formula then dismiss it if it doesnt serve their needs are casual fans and know nothing about football in general.I judge a player as a player not on a basis of their organization to put it basic if your a good football player regardless of whether I like the player I will not deny their skill at their position simply because i dont like them.

    On to the Sanchez thing I discussed why I think he is only serviceable at this point.It is your assumption which i accept that I would think the same about flacco if he was on the jets but that is incorrect...Flacco is a good qb he makes smart decisions when passing,he is very accurate,can make all the throws,and is a much better leader on the offense then sanchez.If he played for the jets they would be a lot better then they are now.His stats also speak to that.Personally I hate the jets,the ravens,the colts,the giants, etc but I do acknowledge players who are good at what they do doesnt mean i like them necessarily just am not blind to their ability on the football field.
     
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    The reason Pats fans should be so excited about McCourty is that he was way above average for a rookie CB.  What I like most about the kid is he can cover one-on-one. Samuel had a lot of picks, but most of them were made in zone coverage when he jumped routes. What I liked the most about a lot of McCourty's picks is they were made in man-to-man coverage. He showed he was able to run with elite receivers and get in proper position to make a play on the ball.  This is highly promising. It's exactly what Revis does so well.  There were times during the season when McCourty was out of position or beat--but he's still learning. For a rookie at a tough position he was great, and more important he showed flashes of having the talent to become a truly elite corner. Time will tell where he ends up, but Pats fans have every right to be excited about this guy's potential.

     
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    I don't get it.  You clowns were all claiming he was the best in the AFC.  Although, it was pretty obvious he was not, considering how awful that pass D was.  As I said earlier in the year, the Jets had two CBs better than anyone on that pathetic patsie roster, hurt or not.  Football Outsiders does not lie. http://footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2011/best-cornerback-charting-stats-2010
    Posted by PhatRex

    They may not lie, but do their CB success rate stats really mean anything?  Here's what they say about their own data. 

    Typical caveats apply, of course: This is imperfect data based on the game charting project, which means it comes off limited television camera angles. In past years, this data has been very inconsistent from year to year, and we're going to study that in the offseason to try to figure out if we can get more accurate numbers by, say, looking at players over two-year spans. (I wrote this last year as well, but this offseason we have, shall we say, "extra free time.")

    Success Rate, to remind everyone, is the percentage of passes that don't manage to get at least 45 percent of needed yards on first down, 60 percent of needed yards on second down, or 100 percent of needed yards on third down.

     
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    I don't get it.  You clowns were all claiming he was the best in the AFC.  Although, it was pretty obvious he was not, considering how awful that pass D was.  As I said earlier in the year, the Jets had two CBs better than anyone on that pathetic patsie roster, hurt or not.  Football Outsiders does not lie. http://footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2011/best-cornerback-charting-stats-2010
    Posted by PhatRex


    Revis had a mediocre year too, so it's funny that you should instigate this.  Cromartie got torched at times, and still refuses to tackle.

    Even if both Jets CBs are better (and I say only Revis is), name 10 other cornerbacks you'd take over McCourty.  I dare you.

    1. Charles Woodson
    2. Tramon Williams (did you see him in the playoffs??!)
    3. Darelle Revis
    4. N'Mandi Asomugha
    5. Champ Bailey (even despite age)
    6. Antoine Winfield (right up there with Woodson for best run support corner and a good cover man)
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    10.

    I even did most of the work for you.  Find four more corners who are undisputably better than McCourty.  I've helped you enough.
     
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