McDaniels and Brandon Llyod combination

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    McDaniels and Brandon Llyod combination

    Ok lets say McD comes back to the BB nest .... What are the chance we go with a free agent Brandon Llyod or use a draft pick to reboot our 2nd 3rd and 4th WR options  ?

    Draft or Free agent is the question ?
     
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    Ok lets say McD comes back to the BB nest .... What are the chance we go with a free agent Brandon Llyod or use a draft pick to reboot our 2nd 3rd and 4th WR options  ? Draft or Free agent is the question ?
    Posted by hoyle


    Not sure why everyone is assuming McDaniels will come back. Has anybody ever come back to coach for BB after leaving? There have been a bunch that have left, but I can't remember any that came back.

    Lloyd is very good and if McDaniels came back, they might have the inside track on him based on the relationship. But ultimately he will want to get paid large, and that will rule.
     
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    Can McDaniels bring us Stephen Jackson instead??


    Please explain this logic.

    I saw someone else mention. When did coaches get the right to take any player with them out the door???


    I never heard of that. If he comes here it will because Nick Caserio wanted him and he has to be endorsed by Brady. Why would Lloyd be the choice when its the biggest F.A. Wr class in quite some time??


    I dont see him as a fit and doing anything more than Ocho can do.
     
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    In Response to Re: McDaniels and Brandon Llyod combination:
    Can McDaniels bring us Stephen Jackson instead?? Please explain this logic. I saw someone else mention. When did coaches get the right to take any player with them out the door??? I never heard of that. If he comes here it will because Nick Caserio wanted him and he has to be endorsed by Brady. Why would Lloyd be the choice when its the biggest F.A. Wr class in quite some time?? I dont see him as a fit and doing anything more than Ocho can do.
    Posted by JayShizzle45


    Couple things Jay,

    • The Pats already tried to acquire Lloyd once so there is interest already
    • Lloyd already said he wants to go where McDaniels ends up. He most likely will be willing to take a little less to stay with McDaniels, nothing crazy but a 1/6 discount on market value isn't out of the realm of possibility
    • Lloyd is a FA so Lloyd is free to go where ever he wants and StL can't do a thing about it unless they tag Lloyd

    How you feel about Lloyd as a WR is a separate issue but if McDaniels comes back then they do have the inside track on a good player that wants to go where McDaniels goes. You can say that he's just saying that for negotiation banter but I've never heard a player say I'm going where OC "x" is going before the OC has even been fired yet alone even hired by another team. I think Lloyd was serious, provided the team wants him and gets close to market value

     
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    Re: McDaniels and Brandon Llyod combination

    Not so sure I'd want Llyod on my team. I've read that he's a selfish player that thinks everything is someone else's fault...saw him in an interview and the guy definitely has some issues. I'm not saying he's got Brandon Spikes type of issues...drug suspension, take 8 weeks to come back from an knee sprain, not talk to the media, make a porn video and let it be put on the internet, but at some point you have to ask yourself...do we want the whole team to be like that? Or just small controlled parts?
     
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    Fair enough Eng,. I hadnt heard any of that so thats why I was confused.

    The thing is, I dont really like Josh as a person...does it matter, No.

    Just my opinion,but he seemed like a whiny lil beyotch who thought he had entitlement coming from under B.B.

    I didnt like what he did as a head coach in Denver and I think he showed his a ss.


    as for Lloyd, like I pointed out, does he do anything Ocho cant do?  Do we know whats between his ears?

    those would be my issues.
     
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    I think McD is the white Raheem Morris..

    Young guy, comes in with all this excitement and wins over the players and Rah, Rah, We are gonna DO this..and when all that fizzles out there is no substance and he is just a hyped up , imature guy who got a gig too early and the team does nothing in year 2.

    Can still be a great O.C. but I dont know if we NEED him..

     
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    I think McDaniels may come back and be the OC for 3 to 4 years with a clause in his contract to become the next head coach once Bill retires. That I think would be the only way he comes back.
     
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    I'd be ok with him coming back. He was a genius until the superbowl loss. Had 2 weeks to come up with something to negate the fearsome Giants pass rush and did nothing. I'd be over the moon if it was Charlie they were bringing back. No way the Pats lose that Superbowl if Charlie was calling the plays on offense.
     
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    Can McDaniels bring us Stephen Jackson instead?? Please explain this logic. I saw someone else mention. When did coaches get the right to take any player with them out the door??? I never heard of that. If he comes here it will because Nick Caserio wanted him and he has to be endorsed by Brady. Why would Lloyd be the choice when its the biggest F.A. Wr class in quite some time?? I dont see him as a fit and doing anything more than Ocho can do.
    Posted by JayShizzle45


    The Pats don't need Stephen Jackson they have Steven Ridley. 

    I think Ridley will be the featured back next year.  But hey,  if they somehow landed Jackson I wouldn't snub my nose at him either.

    He probably wants a shot at a title a la Corey Dillon.
     
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    I think even if they do get McD and Lloyd, they will still use at least one pick on a WR, the position is starting to get a bit long in the tooth and Branch has vanished quite often this year. I would imagine one high round pick and one low round pick on WRs.
     
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    Fair enough Eng,. I hadnt heard any of that so thats why I was confused. The thing is, I dont really like Josh as a person...does it matter, No. Just my opinion,but he seemed like a whiny lil beyotch who thought he had entitlement coming from under B.B. I didnt like what he did as a head coach in Denver and I think he showed his a ss. as for Lloyd, like I pointed out, does he do anything Ocho cant do?  Do we know whats between his ears? those would be my issues.
    Posted by JayShizzle45



    As a matter of fact yes we do know. He was sort of a Jag before McD went to Denver and he caught on and excelled in the Patriots offensive system. He then ended up with the Rams because of that "known" success and once again excelled in the system again with a different team.

    Pretty much a guarantee NOT to be an Ocho experiment repeated.

    As far as being in favor of McD or Llyod I am indifferent at this point in time. Too early to have an opinion.
     
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    I think McDaniels may come back and be the OC for 3 to 4 years with a clause in his contract to become the next head coach once Bill retires. That I think would be the only way he comes back.
    Posted by jjbag


    no way i do that deal with mcd

    oc for now if we got nobody better to go to.
     
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    Ok lets say McD comes back to the BB nest .... What are the chance we go with a free agent Brandon Llyod or use a draft pick to reboot our 2nd 3rd and 4th WR options  ? Draft or Free agent is the question ?
    Posted by hoyle


    I'm not sold on Brandon Lloyd. 

    I watched the game with the Seahawks and Rams where Marshawn Lynch ruined my money league fantasy season (cost me a chance at the $336 championship and forced me to settle for the $336 top-scoring team title alone).

    Point is that while he's a burner, he's 31 and doesn't run every route on the tree (especially anywhere near the middle of the field.  He just runs fades.  If he was 29 and named Randy Moss, I'd say go ahead.  He's 31 and named Brandon Lloyd.

    Lloyd's only saving grace is playing on terrible teams with few decent bouts of quality QB play.

    I'd consider him after some of the other alternatives.
     
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    I'd be ok with him coming back. He was a genius until the superbowl loss. Had 2 weeks to come up with something to negate the fearsome Giants pass rush and did nothing. I'd be over the moon if it was Charlie they were bringing back. No way the Pats lose that Superbowl if Charlie was calling the plays on offense.
    Posted by Brad34


    I believe both Faulk and Neal were lost in that game affecting pass protection and the running game and as you know we did have the lead late
     
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    In Response to McDaniels and Brandon Llyod combination : I'm not sold on Brandon Lloyd.  I watched the game with the Seahawks and Rams where Marshawn Lynch ruined my money league fantasy season (cost me a chance at the $336 championship and forced me to settle for the $336 top-scoring team title alone). Point is that while he's a burner, he's 31 and doesn't run every route on the tree (especially anywhere near the middle of the field.  He just runs fades.  If he was 29 and named Randy Moss, I'd say go ahead.  He's 31 and named Brandon Lloyd. Lloyd's only saving grace is playing on terrible teams with few decent bouts of quality QB play. I'd consider him after some of the other alternatives.
    Posted by Artist-Frmrly-Knwn-As-NickC1188

    Artist,

    I hear you but here's the thing. We don't need a player that can work the middle or run all the tree routes. We already have Gronk and Hern. I'm also assuming they will resign Welker and maybe Branch too. You have very strong route runners who work the middle. What you need is a burner or a large possession WR with great hands to work outside the numbers. Fortunately Lloyd has great sideline presence and good wheels. Yes he'll be 31 but he still looks like he has enough in the tank for 2-3 more years.

    He also doesn't need to be Moss at 29. The 07' Pats didn't have the RB's or TE's that the current Pats have so Moss had to be Moss. With Gronk, Hern, and Welker someone will be single covered. If that's Lloyd then he just has to beat single coverage and with his hands and wheels that could be dangerous. If Lloyd gets dbl'd that means Gronk, Hern, or Welker won't which is just as bad for other teams. All Lloyd needs to do is provide a different aspect other D's have to account for, actually get open, and catch balls (the one thing Ocho hasn't done yet). If he does that then it adds another dimension to an already loaded O

     
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    Re: McDaniels and Brandon Llyod combination

    I'm not sold on Brandon Lloyd. There are other soon to be FA's that are better.

     
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    I'm not sold on Brandon Lloyd. There are other soon to be FA's that are better.
    Posted by kansaspatriot

    This is true but what will be the difference in cost, that is the issue at hand. If the better FA's want to be paid like top 10 WR's and Lloyd to stay with McDaniels and get a chance at a SB would take high #2 money that's a huge difference in contract. Actually it could mean the difference of resigning Welker long term or getting a vet in their prime to help in the DB core

     
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    Re: McDaniels and Brandon Llyod combination

    He was the leading receiver in the NFL last year. He did that in Mcdaniels system after being mediocre for years. It would be smart to get him when so many receivers can't pick this system up quickly. I wouldn't break the bank for a one hit wonder but I don't think anyone else will either so he could be a good pickup.
     
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