Mcdaniels play calling and game plan.

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    Mcdaniels play calling and game plan.

    It seems this bloke doesn't have a plan B when teams stop them on offense a few times. Yesterday when the no huddle hurry up offense didn't work it was like oh what do we do now? In the 2007 season he had 2 weeks to come up with something to stop the Giants fearsome front 4 and pass rush and he came up with a game plan that got them 14 points and Brady almost killed. Same thing yesterday although Brady wasn't hit anywhere near as often as he was in the 2007 season Superbowl. Obviously what he planned didn't work. 

     
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    In response to Brad34's comment:

    It seems this bloke doesn't have a plan B when teams stop them on offense a few times. Yesterday when the no huddle hurry up offense didn't work it was like oh what do we do now? In the 2007 season he had 2 weeks to come up with something to stop the Giants fearsome front 4 and pass rush and he came up with a game plan that got them 14 points and Brady almost killed. Same thing yesterday although Brady wasn't hit anywhere near as often as he was in the 2007 season Superbowl. Obviously what he planned didn't work. 



    I was disappointed with the mix of plays or lack of mix... Very few screens, not enough vereen, nothing creative. 

     Expected more this time.  major let down among many in this horror show of a game.

     

     

     
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    NE didn't run much hurry up at all. 

    I don't understand why, perhaps they weren't running the hurry up plays well enough? Maybe they didn't feel they could from the packages they were forced to run without Gronkowski out there?

    But to say they ran too much hurry up is just wrong. They ran so very little. 

    They basically came out and tried to run the football and run a PA offense. 

    33 passes, 27 runs until the Ridley fumble in the 4th quarter that put the game out of reach. They dominated time of possesion until that point too. 

    They just weren't scoring bunches ... and when they don't score bunches they can't hang in games. It's the same story we've seen for four years now.

    That is the difference in the game. 

    Close, late ... Baltimore takes it away by literally knocking Ridley out and taking the ball away. They get a short field for their offense. They get a score that forces the opponent to start throwing on every single down. 

    NE needs to be the team delivering that knockout turnover. Hit Flacco. Hit Rice. Cause a fumble. Pick up the ball. Get a short field. 

    Do something. 

    Sitting there and praying that you run the ball 30 times to a 13 point score and then have Brady throw 2 TDs against an elite Baltimore defense to bail you out is just an insane game plan. 

    If that is the offense NE wants to run, uber conservative, running, then they need a defense that can back its play. 

     
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    Welker's drop, Ridley's fumble and Brady intercepted on a deflected pass. All happened when the game was still close...in all three instances we were moving the ball pretty well. That's three possessions lost in a close game. The game plan was to play fast and to keep Brady clean, which they did for the most part. The Ravens are a pretty good ball club and they came to play. The only Series that I have a problem with was the final drive of the first half when they allowed too much time to run off the clock and had to settle for the field goal..

    End of the day the two turnovers, dropped ball and the loss of Talib on defense in the second half. Proved to be the straws that broke the camels back...Don't underscore the impact of hte loss of Talib, had on the outcome of the game. In the first half with him on the field Boulden was pretty much a non entity and Denard was holding his own on the other side. Once they saw that he was out, they opened up their offense and We all know what transpired thereafter...Credit the Ravens, they were the better team. 

     
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    There's a reason running teams also tend to be good defensive teams.  Running generally means a lower scoring offense, which requires a defense that can keep the other team off the board. 

    But running the ball too much wasn't really the problem in this game.  In the end, it came down to two things:

    1. An offense that didn't have enough (any?) big play threat.  Hern, Welker, and Lloyd are just not enough in the passing game.  Gronk improves the receiving corp immensely, but please, let's get a real X-type WR or two next year!  I like Ballard, Gronk, and Hern at TE.  Maybe keep a fourth TE, but let's work on getting at least five decent WRs, at least two of whom are big and fast enough to make defenses worry about a post route. 

    2. A defense that, without Talib, reverted to the can't-stop-any-pass defense we've all come to know and "love" over the past few years. 

     

     

     
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    Welker's drop, Ridley's fumble and Brady intercepted on a deflected pass. All happened when the game was still close...in all three instances we were moving the ball pretty well. That's three possessions lost in a close game. The game plan was to play fast and to keep Brady clean, which they did for the most part. The Ravens are a pretty good ball club and they came to play. The only Series that I have a problem with was the final drive of the first half when they allowed too much time to run off the clock and had to settle for the field goal..

    End of the day the two turnovers, dropped ball and the loss of Talib on defense in the second half. Proved to be the straws that broke the camels back...Don't underscore the impact of hte loss of Talib, had on the outcome of the game. In the first half with him on the field Boulden was pretty much a non entity and Denard was holding his own on the other side. Once they saw that he was out, they opened up their offense and We all know what transpired thereafter...Credit the Ravens, they were the better team. 



    This. The O didn't sputter because they ran the ball. Actually the O was looking good when they were running the ball but there were a lot of drops in this game. Every drive seemed to end because of a dropped ball or Brady tossing the ball away but for the most part there were a lot of 3rd and managable downs where the Ravens had to sit back slightly. There was a point though where we were formulaic. Pass on 1st, run on 2nd, pass on 3rd for about 3 series in a row. It killed me because a blind goat could tell what was coming. The play calling was pretty bad and the execution was even worse at times.

     
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    With the Patriots up 3-0 in the 1st, the Pats got the ball with about 1:05 on the clock left in the 1st; and they were going against the wind.  Heading towards the big opening of the stadium, where the Pats come out.

    I remember turning to my friend during this time and mentioned; the Pats should RUN (say twice) and get out of the 1st Qtr!  So this way, they'll have the wind with them!  Then chuck it; mix it up, etc....but Nope.  They came out throwing throwing and throwing, and had to Punt with still about 20 seconds on the clock in the 1st.

    The Pats had their best scoring period in the 2nd with the wind. (scored 10 pts)...I just wish they helped themselves with another possession in it!  To me, just shooting yourself in the foot. 

     
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    Come on.  I hate threads like this.  Are you all of sudden saying that the team with the most victories in the last decade forgot how to effectively plan how to use their talent and how to use it against the opposition? 

    Baltimore out executed the pats.  Plain and simple.

     
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    The Patriots play manageable football on offense.  They play to where they want a manageable 3rd and short for a first down, 3rd down and 3, 3rd down and 2.. manageable!  The problem with this is if they aren't able to run then they are passing on 3rd down which they do a ton of and of course is very predictable plus puts a ton of pressure on the offense on 3rd downs. 

    Sunday the Patriots had 28 first downs, 19 passing, 6 rushing and 3 from penalties.  Their 3rd down efficiency was 7 of 15. 

    Now look at the 49'ers... They got 21 first downs, 11 passing, 8 rushing, 2 from penalties.  Their 3rd down efficiency was 2 of 6. 

    Putting yourself in position to have to get a first down on 3rd down 15 times is crazy!! That's way too many!  This philosophy needs to change.  The need a better run game and they need to be getting more first downs on 1st and 2nd downs. 

     
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    Opening drive running game was getting 4-5 yards per carry, so naturally on 3rd and 2 Brady has to throw a 20 yard out to Welker which is overthrown and punt killing a nice drive...

     
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    Opening drive running game was getting 4-5 yards per carry, so naturally on 3rd and 2 Brady has to throw a 20 yard out to Welker which is overthrown and punt killing a nice drive...



    There was a lot of that on Sunday. Not sure why either because with the exception of the red zone they were running extremely effectively getting solid yards. One thing I question is why they kept on running into the teeth of the D. It was either an A gap dive or a sweep I didn't see a lot of traps (which were extremely affective for this O) or stint draws which I think would have helped with this aggressive D in finding holes

     
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    Opening drive running game was getting 4-5 yards per carry, so naturally on 3rd and 2 Brady has to throw a 20 yard out to Welker which is overthrown and punt killing a nice drive...



    Didn't count but didn't pats have 3rd and 2 like 6 times in this game?  Passed every time...  the Welker drop sequence was:  1st down play action long incompletion (into the wind), 2nd down run up middle woodhead 2 yards, 3rd and 8 drop.  1st down there is no checkdown receiver ...?  Wasted play when objective is MOVE CHAINS ,sustain drive.  Stupid play calling at critical time of game.

     
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    Didn't count but didn't pats have 3rd and 2 like 6 times in this game?  Passed every time...  the Welker drop sequence was:  1st down play action long incompletion (into the wind), 2nd down run up middle woodhead 2 yards, 3rd and 8 drop.  1st down there is no checkdown receiver ...?  Wasted play when objective is MOVE CHAINS ,sustain drive.  Stupid play calling at critical time of game.

     



    Their 3rd down efficiency was 7 of 15. 

     

    Putting yourself in position to have to get a first down on 3rd down 15 times is crazy!! That's way too many!  They need to move away from the manageable offense. 

     
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    Welker's drop, Ridley's fumble and Brady intercepted on a deflected pass. All happened when the game was still close...in all three instances we were moving the ball pretty well. That's three possessions lost in a close game. The game plan was to play fast and to keep Brady clean, which they did for the most part. The Ravens are a pretty good ball club and they came to play. The only Series that I have a problem with was the final drive of the first half when they allowed too much time to run off the clock and had to settle for the field goal..

    End of the day the two turnovers, dropped ball and the loss of Talib on defense in the second half. Proved to be the straws that broke the camels back...Don't underscore the impact of hte loss of Talib, had on the outcome of the game. In the first half with him on the field Boulden was pretty much a non entity and Denard was holding his own on the other side. Once they saw that he was out, they opened up their offense and We all know what transpired thereafter...Credit the Ravens, they were the better team. 

     



    This. The O didn't sputter because they ran the ball. Actually the O was looking good when they were running the ball but there were a lot of drops in this game. Every drive seemed to end because of a dropped ball or Brady tossing the ball away but for the most part there were a lot of 3rd and managable downs where the Ravens had to sit back slightly. There was a point though where we were formulaic. Pass on 1st, run on 2nd, pass on 3rd for about 3 series in a row. It killed me because a blind goat could tell what was coming. The play calling was pretty bad and the execution was even worse at times.

     




    3.8 ypc from the backs is good running? In what league?

     
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    NE didn't run much hurry up at all. 

    I don't understand why, perhaps they weren't running the hurry up plays well enough? Maybe they didn't feel they could from the packages they were forced to run without Gronkowski out there?

    But to say they ran too much hurry up is just wrong. They ran so very little. 

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    I thought that too and wondered why they did not hurry up more. At no point did I see the same pace demonstrated in the reg season.

     
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    Opening drive running game was getting 4-5 yards per carry, so naturally on 3rd and 2 Brady has to throw a 20 yard out to Welker which is overthrown and punt killing a nice drive...



    Welker was not the primary read on that throw.  The underneath routes were well covered.  Welker could have caught that pass.  The Ravens executed well on defense on that play and a lot of others.  Give some credit where it is due.  And before you say a run there would have gotten a first down there were multiple 2nd and 3rd and short situations where we got absolutely stuffed trying to run it.

     
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    Come on.  I hate threads like this.  Are you all of sudden saying that the team with the most victories in the last decade forgot how to effectively plan how to use their talent and how to use it against the opposition? 

    Baltimore out executed the pats.  Plain and simple.



    Good to see you make an honest post for a change troll.


    The better team won. It has nothing to do with the scheme.

    Flacco ate up our D in the second half. It was forced on Brady to try and shoot it out in the second half with receivers who couldn't get open or catch the ball and an anemic run game.

    Now, if Gronk and Talib were there the whole game things might have ended differently. But they weren't. Boo hoo. This is what you get when you have a mediocre team with little depth and depend on the HOF QB to bail you out when everybody else is choking.

     
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    This is what you get when you have a mediocre team with little depth and depend on the HOF QB to bail you out when everybody else is choking.



    Come on Babe this is a little overboard.  How many teams can still execute at the same level without their best offensive weapon, best cover corner and best pass rusher?

     
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    Always honest Babe.  I am however, a little concerned about your honesty. 

    Belichick has fielded a Manning style team for Tom Brady (less effective defense, high powered offense).  Its been Tom's responsibility since 2009.  Now you know how colts fans feel. 

    Tom can't do it alone, but Tom didn't help the pats.  His offense produced only 13 points which is 3 touchdowns below the team's average scoring.  Tom's receivers did drop a couple of passes, but if they are to be flawless then I guess one of the best QB's ever should be too, and he wasn't even close.  He missed a ton of throws.

     
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    was terrible at times. can't help if a guys gets a bullet to the head, and fumbles, or if TB doesn't throw it high enough.

    truth is they were near the redzonee alot ans sputtered due to poor execution when it counted.

     

     
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    Let's everyone agree about this game.. across the board, and the football pundits saw the same thing, the Patriots just didn't execute well in all phases of the game while the Ravens did.  All this finger pointing, Rusty fully blaming Brady, others the D blah blah blah will not change a thing.  The Pats lost and there are a lot of folks, Pats fans, who are piling on the carcass called the 2012 season.  I am not saying criticism is unwarranted, but it is so unrelenting it appears we have folks who want the history of the game re-written!

     
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    The Ravens wanted it more.

    Not saying the Pats didn't want it at a deep level. The Ravens wanted it deeper, they were willing to dish out pain, dish out $$ in fines and take on injury.

    Welker drop came after he got hit. Had one eye on the defender.

    Brady feared for health, did not straight arm Ngata (with throwing arm) for first down. Point is not whether he would make it but whether he would try to make it.

    These are very difficult things to do, where one hit can end your career, but things you have to be willing to do to win the AFC championship.

     

     
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    It seems this bloke doesn't have a plan B when teams stop them on offense a few times.



    Sometimes his plan A's are so bad that I couldn't imagine any better of a plan B.  His plan B's are probably twice as bad.

     
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    10 minutes left in the game, down two td's.....and the offense was taking their sweet a.ss time. that was so frustrating to watch..

     
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    In response to TFB12's comment:

    In response to Brad34's comment:

     

    It seems this bloke doesn't have a plan B when teams stop them on offense a few times.

     



    Sometimes his plan A's are so bad that I couldn't imagine any better of a plan B.  His plan B's are probably twice as bad.

     



    I think his plans A's are the problem. I am not sure the Patriots would have put up 41 points against the Texans with a game plan that was allegedly built around Woodhead and a one-armed Gronk. Vereen probably would have not seen the field if Woodhead had stayed healthy.

    This week, things did not work from the start. The hurry-up offense was never going to work as well against a smarter, older defense with guys like Reed and Lewis out there making sure every one knows the play and is in position before the ball is snapped. They were still winning when Ridley stopped getting the ball (one carry out of eleven plays in the third quarter).

    I think Josh is an overrated offense coordinator. His offenses put up stats in the regular (and pads them healthily versus bad teams), but have you seen the Patriots come out and beat a good defense in the playoffs since he became the OC in 2006?

    If the rumors are true that he is hanging around to be BB's heir apparent, I give him three seasons as the NE head coach before he is unemployed again.

     
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