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McDaniel's Spread is Back!

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    Re: McDaniel's Spread is Back!

    In response to zbellino's comment:

    Wow. What happened to this thread?

    At any rate ... in no particular order.

    1.) Yeah they ran the ball effectively, they've done that most of the year. 

    2.) They will face better defenses later on, that has nothing to do with my post, for the person that said that. When they face great defenses .... they aren't going to score 45 no matter what they do. They could draw defenses in the playoffs that a spread matches well against though, and they could draw defenses that have a better look for the 2TE that Obrien ran, or something else entirely. But who knows who will be in there come january. It's too early to tell. 

    3.) This was the first game they implemented that wide open 'spread' that they ran in 2007 all season. They've had that look before, but always just motioning people out. The spread is a look everyone in the NFL can give these days, but few teams still come out and just spread it wide open from the get go. New Orleans kind of does. The Pack is more of a traditional single back outfit. 

    I thought it was interesting to say the least. Some of those plays were right out of the 2007 playbook, with Lloyd running Moss's routes. They certainly gashed the Rams real good.

    When it works it's fun to watch, and it was nostalgia inducing from that undefeated season. 



    What happenedtoo this post is Russ and phatrex hijacked it once again to have one of their typical pis5ing contests. A good post gets turned sideways so they can use it as a forum to bash one another.

    To my fellow posters...don't be baited by phatrex, Hess and the others jest trolls. Let them postoff they will and p,ease set to them to ignore or ignore them all together. Let's for once try and keep these posts from turning into a bashing session and focus on the topic at hand...

     

     
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    Yes, I agree with PatsEng the pats simply owned the rams yesterday and couldn't keep up their adjustments..seemed like our o was always a step ahead of them. Just when they did adjust, josh comes out after halftime in the heavy package to run, play action, etc...somedays it's just not your day..yesterday was like that for the rams.

    Yes, Ridley had some nice runs and the run was mixed in effectively. What was interesting is that without Hernandez and fells not playing a big part, the pats were in 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB sets a majoritand their snaps and still ran well without the extra blocker. 

    I will say that Gronk yesterday looked like he did last year. Heseemed until yesterday to be a bitsluggish due to injury, but yesterday he had an extra spring in his step. 

    I would like to see vereen used more in the screen passing game. Like Edelman, he iselusive in the open field. I hope josh works him in more.

     
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    Re: McDaniel's Spread is Back!

    In response to zbellino's comment:

    Not sure about Houston. 

    They've played one good offense. GB. 

    They got shredded alive. Rogers threw six TDs, I think they ran the ball just 20 times or something like that. Terrence Cody is a bear to run at, but that is all. He is a pantload when it comes to getting pressure and has been since college. 

    JJ Watt is great. But who do they have that can bring inside pressure? 

    Joseph is great, but I don't like Kareem Jackson (as I've said). 

    So we'll see. 

    I don't see a team in the AFC New England shouldn't beat if they execute well.




    Amen - despite the weak D the Pats trot out there -when the Pats play to their strength on offense - which is to run Brady out of the shotgun and use the pass to set up the run the Pats are unstoppable

     

    Rusty - If Ridley ever develops the ability to catch the ball dependably the Pats will be be unbeatable on offense - plain and simple - you say the Pats are predictable on offense when they are in the shotgun - I say they are predictable when they have Ridley in the single back classic set - everyone in the world knows they are running - if Ridley could develop the Kevin Faulk - ability to catch they could crucify D's with the play action

     

    As much as I love what Ridlely does with the football I'd love to see Vareen get more reps - he can catch it - and can also be a feature back - a Ridley/Woodhead mix

     
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    Re: McDaniel's Spread is Back!

    In response to Neal Page's comment:

    Or just ban Phat Rex instead of me considering he's the troll here who actually stalks me.  That would be too easy, though, wouldn't it?

    I find it fascinating that this is so difficult and trolls like that get free rein here.



    Russ, i would love to ban all these morons like phatrex. Maybe dottie can do it, but they will get a new handle and show back up harass as usual. I am not going to respond to any of their posts.eventually they will dry up and go away just like the jests will..

     
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    Nice thread Z till rusty dropped major stupidly on it.  What everyone but the run at any coster's get is that our spread is unstoppable.  It always has been. Our pass sets sets up our run.  No "elite" defense can stop our Spread offense.  

    I don't even know what the hell crusty sock means by STOP.  Is that when our D gives up more points the our O scores?  Crusty Logic states is such situations you automatically blame Brady an call for Mallett to start.

     
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    Re: McDaniel's Spread is Back!

    In response to bobbysu's comment:

    This O-Line has been nothing but Great this Season. Guys getting injured, people moving around, retired. They should be getting more love around here.

    So i had to listen to NFL radio with STL announcers. Demarco Farr had a great take. The main announcer asked why Brady was still in game with 35-7 lead?  Farr said " why not , he is probably safer in the pocket than on the bench!"

    Definite kudos for the OL

     
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    Re: McDaniel's Spread is Back!

    In response to zbellino's comment:

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    Nice thread Z till rusty dropped major stupidly on it.  What everyone but the run at any coster's get is that our spread is unstoppable.  It always has been. Our pass sets sets up our run.  No "elite" defense can stop our Spread offense.  

    I don't even know what the hell crusty sock means by STOP.  Is that when our D gives up more points the our O scores?  Crusty Logic states is such situations you automatically blame Brady an call for Mallett to start.



    All offenses 'stop' at some point man. Look at the Saints' Superbowl ... tehy are kicking FGs and sucking wind. 

    They got a HUGE special teams play that netted them a critically short field, and a HUGE pick 6. 

    New England doesn't have a complete team, and they haven't in 7-8 seasons. 

    On big fumble recovery, INT, KR TD totally swings that game and makes it a win. Heck, a few 3 and outs, or a really long KR for a short field would have swung that game. 

    This team, like or not, lives and dies by how it's offense performs, because none of the other phases are good enough to make that play when it counts. 



    So, in SB 42 and 46 you feel the offense played well when it counted? How can you make that claim?

    The highest scoring offense in NFL history puts out 14 points (barely) and then our offense scores one TD in the second half for the whole half? Even a FG would have won the SB, dude.

    Our offense let us down TWICE in the last 2 SBs, and it's an offensive era with Goodell begging for points to be scored. You're wrong.

    This is 2012 and Goodell is pitching a franchise in London. Wake up.



    Put that aside. 

    Why can't the defense make a play? OR win a game outright that is low scoring?

    Other teams win that way.

    The fact I am pointing out ... is that if the offense is not there ... New England loses. End of story. 

    You don't win Superbowls with a team that is that unbalanced.

    The Pats scored 17 ... the Giants a miserable 21.

    The Giants have a defense that can hold a team to 17 points. New England doesn't.

    New England's offense was productive. 

    They had 8 drives. 

    That is a terrible defense. The defense gets the ball for the offense. 8 drives is a terrible performance. What's worse is the Giants scored 21 points on just seven drives.  

    Whats worse than that is that the special teams contributed absolutely nothing. 

    If the offense doesn't win it... New England loses. 




    Your not going to get through to him but thanks for trying been an interesting read.

     
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    I love how this game was supposedly all about the "spread" offense, while the I formation and single back three tight end sets which drew the defense in gets zero mention. 

    The offense ran against the Rams was varied, Pro sets, 3 tight end formations and yes spread out formations and shotgun, but this wasn't a Run And Shoot offense.  Much like 2007 the pass was open because the defense had to respect the run and play action played a large part in it. 

    Gronk took time to mention that both of his TD's were the result of play action. This was a well balanced attack before the Pat's broke it wide open. McDaniels is the heir apparent to Charlie Weis, he is the master of the Ernhardt-Perkins offense.

     
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    In response to Neal Page's comment:

    Are we really at the point where two fumbles created in the SB, but unfortunately not recovered by the D, or nice pass breakups by Sterling Moore are "why can't the D make a play"?

    Really? Is this how we're going to go now? A little Johnnie Cochrane type action here? Really? 


    So, after our offense fiddles with its nuts all game and underachieves, you only care about what happens then towards the end, not in the previous 55+ minutes?

    Isn't that convenient.


    All three aspects of the team failed to make good plays. The other team has something to do with it. Their D steped up, Our D wasn't able to. Our Offense failed to make some key plays so did the D.  It happens, oh well. Try a little middle ground some of the time any you won't have so many agruments unless that is all your here for.

     
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    Re: McDaniel's Spread is Back!

    In response to wozzy's comment:

    I love how this game was supposedly all about the "spread" offense, while the I formation and single back three tight end sets which drew the defense in gets zero mention. 

    The offense ran against the Rams was varied, Pro sets, 3 tight end formations and yes spread out formations and shotgun, but this wasn't a Run And Shoot offense.  Much like 2007 the pass was open because the defense had to respect the run and play action played a large part in it. 

    Gronk took time to mention that both of his TD's were the result of play action. This was a well balanced attack before the Pat's broke it wide open. McDaniels is the heir apparent to Charlie Weis, he is the master of the Ernhardt-Perkins offense.



    Well they were in 3 WR sets a majority of the snaps, and the 2 and 3 TE sets only accounted for 9 Of their sixty someodd plays. It's the variety and how they used it that was effective. What is different as you note is the threat of the run. We didn't have it last years SB , but this year, the team does seem more committed to the run. 

    What other wrinkles is josh saving up..he must be holding back something for later.

     
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    In response to Neal Page's comment:

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    Are we really at the point where two fumbles created in the SB, but unfortunately not recovered by the D, or nice pass breakups by Sterling Moore are "why can't the D make a play"?

    Really? Is this how we're going to go now? A little Johnnie Cochrane type action here? Really? 


    So, after our offense fiddles with its nuts all game and underachieves, you only care about what happens then towards the end, not in the previous 55+ minutes?

    Isn't that convenient.


    All three aspects of the team failed to make good plays. The other team has something to do with it. Their D steped up, Our D wasn't able to. Our Offense failed to make some key plays so did the D.  It happens, oh well. Try a little middle ground some of the time any you won't have so many agruments unless that is all your here for.



    Excuse me? I've taken the honest, minority opinion in each SB 42 and SB 46 because it's the truth. You can;t invest that much in an offense and then defend it when you drop a turd in your shorts when it matters.

    If we had put all the money and picks into the defense for SB 42 and SB 46 then I'd blame the D.

    You can't put MORE accountability on a young D when the bulk of the investment is on the offense. 

    Why is this so hard? There is no middle ground. The root cause is in the offensive philosophy, it shouldn't be transplanted onto a young D.

     



    Depends on how you measure investment. The only 2 high paid players on last years offense were Brady and mankins. All the others werE not highly paid until this year with welkers franchise tag, Gronk and hern's new contracts. 

    The d same..Wilfork and mayo paid well. 

    So 2 highly pis players on both sides of the ball. I would argue that BB has invested more in the defense over the past 5 years than the offense. The difference is the defensive investments have not paid well,where the offensive ones have...see Gronk, Hern, Ridley! Solder and now vereen. That changes this year with a draft dedicated to defense and us landing jones, Hightower, Dennard and Wilson. The defense has caught up, but they are young and have not yet found themselves...This might have been a different discussion if BB had hit on more of his defensive players over the past 5 years...maybe you have a different outcome last year....

     
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    Re: McDaniel's Spread is Back!

    In response to Neal Page's comment:

    In response to csylvia79's comment:

    In response to Neal Page's comment:

    Are we really at the point where two fumbles created in the SB, but unfortunately not recovered by the D, or nice pass breakups by Sterling Moore are "why can't the D make a play"?

    Really? Is this how we're going to go now? A little Johnnie Cochrane type action here? Really? 


    So, after our offense fiddles with its nuts all game and underachieves, you only care about what happens then towards the end, not in the previous 55+ minutes?

    Isn't that convenient.


    All three aspects of the team failed to make good plays. The other team has something to do with it. Their D steped up, Our D wasn't able to. Our Offense failed to make some key plays so did the D.  It happens, oh well. Try a little middle ground some of the time any you won't have so many agruments unless that is all your here for.



    Excuse me? I've taken the honest, minority opinion in each SB 42 and SB 46 because it's the truth. You can;t invest that much in an offense and then defend it when you drop a turd in your shorts when it matters.

    If we had put all the money and picks into the defense for SB 42 and SB 46 then I'd blame the D.

    You can't put MORE accountability on a young D when the bulk of the investment is on the offense. 

    Why is this so hard? There is no middle ground. The root cause is in the offensive philosophy, it shouldn't be transplanted onto a young D.

     



    Dude everyone here knows what you think, right or wrong you don't have to bring it up in every thread, even the ones that have nothing to do with it.  I know others also dig at you too, so its not all you all the time but you have to admit you bring the topic up a lot. sry run on sentences and such i hate typing on phone.

     
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    Re: McDaniel's Spread is Back!

    They have to be able to do both. The spread has it's place and at the right time it's effective but can't be used all of the time . This years team should be more effective because they have the threat of a running game. Just the threat of a run opens up the pass. Last year, especially against the Giants they knew the Patriots wouldn't run and if they did they wouldn't do much damage. Teams have to respect the threat of a run now. The Patriots are 5th in running and Ridley has shown that he will break a long run if the defense makes a mistake or overloads for the pass. All of this opens it up for the pass.

     
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