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McGinnest said on ESPN Podcast today with Adam Jones that....

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    In Response to Re: McGinnest said on ESPN Podcast today with Adam Jones that.... : So you do think the offense was more of a problem? Less then 5% have won and we have scored 17 or less twice against the same team, oh btw with a 90 - 35 PASS TO RUN RATIO IN BOTH SB'S LOSSES COMBINED .....A one dimensional offense can't win a SB. Run the Ball coach PLEASE.
    Posted by TrueChamp


    This thread has devolved into a joke, it's the same rehashed hypothetical by people who can't admit for a second that they might be wrong. Every one of them has used the can't "Pats can't run" argument but Ridely and Benny can surely run, especially against a 4/3 defense, simply put 3 receivers on the field, single back set and spread them out, if we can't run than that means Brady is already carving them up.  

    The reason your argument fails folks is because we've seen the results of a balanced offense by winning 3 championship rings.  We've been the team running the ball, controlling the time of possession, we've been that team.  

    Consider this, and if still you don't grasp the idea, try standing uphill into a strong wind and peeing into it and telling me "with just the right execution this might work."  

    Tastes salty doesn't it?


     
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    for the last drive obviously was on the defense, but the game was really lost on the welker drop....and not scoring AT ALL during the last 26 minutes of a game isnt a good recipe to win any game
     
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    Posted by BabeParilli


    yea and in the moment of the truth, the offense failed and left a gased defense hung out to dry.....if you saw they look on wilfork and ellis' faces after the drop, they knew they couldnt stop the giants again, they were worn out from saving the offenses butt the whole second half
     
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    Posted by redsoxfan94


    Yep.
     
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    and not scoring AT ALL during the last 26 minutes of a game isnt a good recipe to win any game


    You do realize the the Jints had the ball for nearly 20 of those 26 minutes, right?
    When you look at it that way, it's a little more difficult to score in 6+ minutes because that's all they had.
    The jints shortest drive was the one they let them score on to get the ball back.  That's sad.

     
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    and not scoring AT ALL during the last 26 minutes of a game isnt a good recipe to win any game You do realize the the Jints had the ball for nearly 20 of those 26 minutes, right? When you look at it that way, it's a little more difficult to score in 6+ minutes because that's all they had. The jints shortest drive was the one they let them score on to get the ball back.  That's sad.
    Posted by pezz4pats


    well obviously the drives were short, one was ended abruptly by the brady heave int....they would have had the ball longer if they could get past mid field....the time they did in the 2nd half, welker dropped the arguable game winning catch
     
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    Posted by redsoxfan94


    Yes the int and dropped passes killed all the drives but that didn't change the  fact that the D couldn't get the ball back to create more offensive possessions and more than 57 secs for their last drive. One extra minute on that last drive probably would have made all the difference in the world.  They could have dictated pace instead of hurrying.  Don't you think? 
    No way of knowing if they would have scored or not but pretty sure their chances would have been better.
     
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    Posted by pezz4pats

    yes their chances would have been higher...but they lived by the offense all year and it failed them when it mattered....if you were to tell anyone here before the game that the offense wouldnt score at all during the final 22 minutes of the game and still be in position to put the game away with 4 minutes left, they would think you were crazy

     
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    The defense played as advertised, the offense did not.
     
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    Posted by BabeParilli


    d did not fold at the last minute? what are you even talking about?

    against rams, the d broke and gave up the tying td+pat, leaving 1:30 on the clock. pats o drive down and got the winning fg

    against the panthers, the pats d could not stop the panthers in the fourth, broke and gave up the tying td+pat with one minute remaining. kasay kicked the kickoff ob, gifting the pats o with a short field.

    in each of those sbs the o was clutch enough to score enough to win it on the last drive. no none of those Ds closed the game

    phi had enough time to win. mcnabb choked and forgot to manage the clock. i remember jumping for joy early because phi was foolishly killing the clock.
     
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    How exactly was the offense advertised to play with Gronk hobbled?
    Posted by BabeParilli

    Gronk was wide open on the interception. Wes dropped a catchable ball. The offense had enough to get the job done. The defense didn't get the job done either but did you expect them too?
     
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    The defense played as advertised, the offense did not.
    Posted by digger0862


    Or........the offense did not play as advertised because the defense did. LOL
    Do you know that in the 3 losses to the giants and the loss to the Steelers, the Pats grossly lost in time of possession.  All low scoring, low possession games......Amazing isn't it?
     
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    and not scoring AT ALL during the last 26 minutes of a game isnt a good recipe to win any game You do realize the the Jints had the ball for nearly 20 of those 26 minutes, right? When you look at it that way, it's a little more difficult to score in 6+ minutes because that's all they had. The jints shortest drive was the one they let them score on to get the ball back.  That's sad.
    Posted by pezz4pats


    YES!!! they held the ball for 6+ mins of the last 26. isn't that what happens the o could not hold on to the ball? first two possessions after their last td...
    0:31
    1:18

    two chances to gain minutes. two chances to put the nail on the coffin, squandered. 

    even after those two unproductive possessions, the d kept the lead for a third chance to extend the lead and close the game. the rest is history.



     
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    Posted by BabeParilli

    scoring 17 is low for any team, especially since it was really only 15 + for the defense since they have up the safety....defense played well enough to win, the offense did not....now i get your love for brady, he is one of the best ever, but that doesnt mean he can do no wrong....he went 7 for 18 late in the game while eli was clutch at the end, that was the difference....im sure the defense made him lob that int to that substitute teacher right? and it also made welker and hernandez suddenly have stone hands in the 4th quarter right?

     
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    Posted by BabeParilli



    how about 24?
    it's still 11 points below they reg season average.

    with a healthy gronk, i would have expected them to score 28-31 - still more than a fg below their reg season avg.
     
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    Posted by seattlepat70


    EXACTLY

    people need to take their blinders off and realize scoring 17 points against anyone isnt going to win many games....they had plenty of chances and they blew it....how can you expect a defense to consistently make stops when they are only getting one minute of rest when their offense is on the field? defense played pretty good considering how scrutinized they were during the season....19 points to a high caliber offense like the giants is impressive
     
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    Posted by BabeParilli


    had the pats o played what they are capable of, the pats would have won period.

    in all three losses the d stepped up but was put out to dry.

    all you have to do really is compare the production vs reg season avgs.
    on each game, the o scored way below their avg
    on each game, the d gave up fewer points than their avg






     
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    Posted by BabeParilli


    damn you are ignorant....you are a great fan, but seriously get a clue on this one
     
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