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    Posted by BabeParilli


    had the pats o played what they are capable of, the pats would have won period.

    in all three losses the d stepped up but was put out to dry.

    all you have to do really is compare the production vs reg season avgs.
    on each game, the o scored way below their avg
    on each game, the d gave up fewer points than their avg






     
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    Posted by BabeParilli


    damn you are ignorant....you are a great fan, but seriously get a clue on this one
     
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    answer this babe....how many games during the course of the season would you expect the patriots to win if they averaged scoring 14 and 17 points?
     
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    Posted by seattlepat70



    28-31 with a healthy Gronk? That's pretty optimistic since the Giants' D allowed an average of 14 in the playoffs.


     
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    Posted by redsoxfan94


    What the hell clue is there to get?

    The D has F A I L E D in the clutch in to 2006 AFFC game, the 2008 SB and this SB.

    This isn't freekin rocket science, in every case at the end they had a chance to win the game with a stop and failed.
     
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    what were you expecting the pats defense to do? if you want to go by playoff numbers, the giants scored 24 vs ATL, 37 vs GB, and 20 vs SF.....their offense scored 19 against the pats, lowest number their offense scored all playoffs...so you're telling me the pats defense blew the game by allowing less points than the 49ers defense?
     
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    answer this babe....how many games during the course of the season would you expect the patriots to win if they averaged scoring 14 and 17 points?
    Posted by redsoxfan94


    Not too many with this D.

    Of course nobody scored more than 20 on the Giants' D in these playoffs, so it wasn't likely we were going to with Gronk lame.
     
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    Posted by BabeParilli

    ill give you 2006 because they gave up 38 points and really played awful in the 2nd half, but the defense now isnt the same as it was in 2006, only defensive player remaining from then is wilfork.....the two super bowls they lost since BB and TB have been here, their defense allowed 17 and 19 points, that is more than low enough for the pats to win

     
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    Posted by BabeParilli

    no team would win many games scoring that low....the best defense in the league couldnt win with 17 points in a rainy game AT HOME.....you have to score to win.....and the pats were built to win by offense....if they are depending on the defense to make stops at the end of the game like that, they just arent doing their job

     
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    In Response to Re: McGinnest said on ESPN Podcast today with Adam Jones that.... : YES!!! they held the ball for 6+ mins of the last 26. isn't that what happens the o could not hold on to the ball? first two possessions after their last td... 0:31 1:18 two chances to gain minutes. two chances to put the nail on the coffin, squandered.  even after those two unproductive possessions, the d kept the lead for a third chance to extend the lead and close the game. the rest is history.
    Posted by seattlepat70


    The Jints held the ball for 5 minutes at a time regardless of the time the Pats had the ball.  Pats play 31 secs giants play 5 minutes , Pats play 1:18 jints play 5 minutes, Pats play 5 minutes jints play 5 minutes.  The only time the Jints didn't have the ball 5 minutes was when they let them score. This happened throughout the whole game on every single drive.
    That is the problem.
     
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    what were you expecting the pats defense to do? if you want to go by playoff numbers, the giants scored 24 vs ATL, 37 vs GB, and 20 vs SF.....their offense scored 19 against the pats, lowest number their offense scored all playoffs...so you're telling me the pats defense blew the game by allowing less points than the 49ers defense?
    Posted by redsoxfan94



    I'm telling you the D blew it by not getting the stop at the end and winning it. I'm telling you the D has done this same exact thing for YEARS.

    With the O having Gronk, their top weapon disabled, they weren't apt to be winning a shootout.

    Despite that adversity they were in it at the end and the D blew the win.
     
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    Posted by BabeParilli


    true or false? that game would have been over had the o not fail to score at least 6 pts in a 26-minute period? we can go over this on and on and on. pick a play here, a play there to counter, etc. 

    IT'S THE SUM OF THE PLAYS THAT DETERMINES SUCCESS.
    the score reflects that sum of plays.
    the o underperformed.
    the d outperformed.

    let me put it this way then. the d performed well, unfortunately not enough. the o just sucked, giving them no chance to win. does that make you feel better?


     
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    Posted by redsoxfan94



    So, the offense has to have a two score lead at the end of Super Bowls because the D is so inept?
     
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    Posted by BabeParilli


    they were in it because the defense was holding the giants to field goals and giving the offense a chance to put the game away....i understand the gronk injury hurt, but they moved down the field with ease on those two td drives and then just went away from what was working....they even tried lining up in the power I formation with polite back there....since when was their offense a power offense? 
     
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    Posted by seattlepat70


    Where you're off here is in digging into the history of the game to find the moment of truth.

    The moment of truth comes at the end. At the end the D FAILed yet again.
     
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    Posted by BabeParilli

    not if the defense is allowing a lot of points, but they werent.....the defense should have a cushion if they only allowed 13 points to that point in the game

     
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    Posted by BabeParilli


    the offense and defense both failed when it mattered, so thats not fair
     
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    Posted by redsoxfan94


    It doesn't matter if the score was 0-0. When you are there at the end and the game can be won, you win it.

    If the score was 31-31 and the O failed to move the ball with 1:45 left it would be on the O.

    If a pitcher with a 5 ERA goes into the bottom of the 9th inning of a 3-3 game and allows a walkoff HR he lost it despite him only allowing 4 runs.

    You either make the plays at crunch time or you don't. The D didn't.
     
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    Posted by BabeParilli


    and neither did the offense the last three times they had the ball....you can say the defense didnt make the plays in the end, they didnt.....but to think the offense deserves no blame in the loss is just idiotic
     
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    Posted by pezz4pats


    so what if the giants had 5 min possessions? if the pats kept the ball and traded 5-min possessions with nyg, would we be talking about this even? not even 5 min possessions. what if the pats sustained drives for 4?

    as i said before... the top argument is a convenient copout for the o. all year the d has struggled to get off the field. yet all year, that did not keep the pats from scoring 35 pts a game. it should not have this time around either. bottomline their production was by far the lowest of the year.
     
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    Posted by redsoxfan94


    Much like a baseball game in the bottom of the 9th with a runner on 2nd and down a run with two outs....

    The batter walks then the next guy strikes out to end the game. It's not the guy who walked that lost it.

    The D had the last chance to win it. What is most disturbing is that this is a recurring theme for years now.

    Yes, it would have been sweet for Wes to catch that ball get a 1st, so hopefully one more 1st would have saved the D from having to make a pressure stop. But he did drop it. And they didn't make the stop.
     
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    Posted by BabeParilli


    law of averages... you keep letting a good team hanging around, they eventually will beat you. they were allowed to hang around over three possessions
     
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    Posted by redsoxfan94



    There's plenty of blame to go around. But without our big weapon going  full force you're just trying to have a chance to win it in the end. We had that chance and Eli did it to them for the 3rd time.

    They had a lead on the last drive and couldn't win it.
     
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    Posted by BabeParilli

    well one was to be expected, the other wasnt.....a shaky D all season gives up a late td=expected.....a reliable all-pro receiver dropping the ball with a chance to put the game away=not expected........defense played their infamous bend but dont break style the whole game and gave the pats offense a chance to step on their throats and put the game away....they didnt. after this game, one could make the argument that eli is the more clutch qb at this point since he led his team down the field while it mattered...while brady went 7-18 at the end of the game....i think brady is light years ahead of eli, but if you want to go JUST by the end of the game, eli came up clutch and brady didnt

     
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    Posted by seattlepat70



    You were expecting us to just blow them away with Gronk hurt so they wouldn't "hang around"?
     
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