In response to NY-PATS-FAN4's comment:
In response to ma6dragon9's comment:
It's hard for me to think of someone who's Ptriots opinion/sources I trust and respect more than Holley. He has been around the team in varying degrees (some closer than any other reprter I'm aware of) for over a decade. He made calls, gathered info, and waited until he gathered enough to feel like he could weigh in heavily on the subject.
According to him and his sources, Welker's agents basically said that whatever the offer was going to be, 2011 (franchise tag 9.5) + 2012 and beyond else has to add up to AT LEAST 20 million guaranteed, and start there. For instance, they were saying he wouldn't have worked for a single year at anything less than the 11.5 the second year Franchise would have brought, and at least 11.5 would have to have been guaranteed in ANY offer for them to consider it.
Welker's agents absolutely, and TOTALLY misread the situation, and are trying to keep from looking as bad as they are.
Additionally, in any previous negotiation that went bad, regardless of what was said...I've never heard Kraft be so outspoken. That led me to believe either he was telling the truth and flat out pizzed at what was being said...or he's had a fundamental change in his behavior that hasn't been seen before.
Agents are bad for sports. They are akin to ambulance-chasing, sleazeball lawyers. 99% of the contracts they "get" for their clients, could be gotten by the player themselves, most every-day sports fans, and probably most service animals as well.
Good luck to Welker. I was ok with him going elsewhere, I was ok with him not coming back last year...but that's just me. The agents? They can burn.
I would agree that bad agents are bad for sports, Dragon. But good agents have staffs that spend countless hours culling statistics, know what the market/team demand is for any position, and can make a strong, logical argument for why a player deserves a certain amount. Few players have the time, inclination and talent to scout the market as such. Further, agents can advocate for a player without becoming emotional when the team counters facts supporting the player with facts supporting the team.
For most players, or performers of any sort, having a good agent is an invaluable asset.
Well...I'll give you that guys getting those top end deals, like Gholdson and Wallace, have agents that earned their keep. However, I'd comfortably say 75% come in range of what all us keyboard GMs estimate.
Seriously. I feel like I could be an agent right now. Spend a few days scouring the internet, and find out what the general feeling is. Up that by 10-20%. Do my job visiting teams and fielding offers, also making counters. At some point, probably not long into the process for average players, I get a number me and the player are comfortable with. Am I simplifying things? Of COURSE! Do agents over-complicate things in real life? Painfully so.
Tedy Bruschi and Mark McGwire are 2 guys that showed just how easy it should be. McGwire, when he signed his last 2/30 deal with ST L commented something to the effect of "we went intoa room, 15 minutes later we were done." Bruschi commented that he was happy where he was, and the 8 mil he signed for 4 years was a lot of money. Aaron Hernandez asked to have a 50k donation written into his, and he and Gronk got it done fast, early and easy. Even Welker's dealings with DEN, removing NE from the situation, show how easy it should be.
Pro - you're right. many people are AWFUL negotiators...1) many people can't say 'no'. 2) many people don't like asking for anything, it makes them uncomfortable. Neither applies to me. I have no problem asking, being told no, or saying no. It's actually very easy, I don't understand people's issue with that.
Dragon, Bruschi was a unique case. He simply loved playing for BB and the Patriots, felt his "hometown discount" was more than fair, and was not looking for the highest dollar from the market. He also benefitted from being one of BB's favorite players.
But he would have made many more millions had he had an agent to shop him to the highest bidder. Fortunately, for we Pats fans, Tedy had higher priorities.