MIKE WALLACE : 20/20 Vision Sux

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    MIKE WALLACE : 20/20 Vision Sux

     One of my buddies is a Steeler fan ( bleh ) and after Pit drafted Wallace he told me BB made a huge mistake taking Brandon Tate over him . I dismissed it as just another one of his bitter Pats-hatin' ramblins.
      By the end of that 2009 preseason he was callin Wallace "60minutes" and insisting the guy was going to be a gamebreaker. 
     I remember countering with "Yah right  , Belichick wouldn't have passed on him for an injured wr if he didn't think his guy was wayyyyy better than Wallace . 

     In retrospect my buddy was right ....dang it.

    30 other teams not named the Patriots passed on Wallace ( and if the 2009 draft was redone today - Wallace would be taken in the top 10 ...maybe top 5 ) so slammin' BB too hard over this pick isnt fair....but there are a couple things that BB at least needs to own up to regarding this particular decision .

    a)The Pats needed a WR ( and took one ) -so obviously they evaluated Wallace heavily and considering the speedster was still on the board - you have to wonder what they DIDNT see in him.

    b) The Pats took a flyer on an INJURED Player instead . One they knew would not be able to help them immediately .

    c) Tate didn't set the world on fire in college - so I have to wonder what the Pats saw in him . I personally wasn't all that impressed with his college highlight reel ( Disclosure - I dont watch Colloge football so Im going by the limited highlights I watched of Tate before he blew out his knee )



      I think BB is the best NFL coach of all time , but to be fair - he's not the best drafter , and if he was - it wouldnt be fair to the rest of the NFL .
     

     

    Bill Belichick: Nobody is going to catch Mike Wallace

    Super Bowl XLV Getty Images

    As Patriots coach Bill Belichick prepares for the Steelers on Sunday, he says stopping receiver Mike Wallace is going to be a huge challenge for his defense.

    “He’s a big-play receiver. He’s really fast,” Belichick said of Wallace. “Nobody is going to catch him, so you have to be careful about how much space he gets when he catches the ball. I think he’s improved a lot from when we played them last year, just as a football player, his patience and route technique.”

    If Wallace has improved a lot from when the Patriots played him last year, that could be trouble: Last year Wallace had eight catches for 136 yards and two touchdowns against the Patriots.

    Wallace, who leads the league with six catches of 40 or more yards, is the best deep threat in football. The Providence Journal notes that Belichick could have had Wallace in the 2009 NFL draft but instead chose receiver Brandon Tate, who’s no longer with the Patriots, with the 83rd overall pick. The Steelers took Wallace 84th. It’s fun to think about what kind of passing game the Patriots could have if they added Wallace, but suggesting now that the Patriots should have taken Wallace then sounds like 20/20 hindsight.

    In any event, Belichick knows his defense has its hands full with Wallace.

    “He stretches the field, but he can also take a short pass and turn it into a long run, so you have to defend him from the line of scrimmage to the back of the end zone and from sideline to sideline,” Belichick said. “He’s a tough guy to match up on.”

    Wallace is one of the toughest matchup problems in the NFL.

     
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    Yeah they got a great receiver there. I'd be willing to bet 31 teams are asking themselves why they passed on Gronk and Hernandez multiple times. You win some, you lose some.
     
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    Yeah they got a great receiver there. I'd be willing to bet 31 teams are asking themselves why they passed on Gronk and Hernandez multiple times. You win some, you lose some.
    Posted by shenanigan


    Right? We think missing on Mike Wallace is bad?  I still can't believe we missed out on:

    Chris Johnson
    Mendenhall
    Matt Forte
    Ray Rice
    Jamal Charles
    Finley
    D-Jackson
    Jimmy Graham
    Mike Williams
    Lesean Mccoy
    Jahvid best
    Clay mathews
    Hakeem nicks
    kenny Britt
    Shonn greene
    Dez bryant

    I mean if we had only known the future we could have drafted some of these guys and then been a good football team.

    Note- Extreme Sarcasm is intended for those of you who needed to know.
     
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    TrueChamp, you sort of had me until I saw Shonn Greene.
    But for that 2008 draft class (RB) was impressive.  The Pats took Mayo at #10 then didnt pick again until #62.
    Mendenhall #23
    C Johnson #24
    M Forte #44
    D-Jax #49
    R Rice #55.

    But still, Shonn Greene in that list?!
     
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    if only we had a crystal ball...

    http://www.providencejournal.com/sports/patriots/content/Patriots_Steelers_Wallace_Tate_10-28-11_UFR6I_v2.22afb0a.html

     
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    Hindsight...

    31 other teams passed on Tom Brady many times, I bet they wish they had a crystal ball, right?
     
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    Nice, young WR, but I also think he is incredibly overrated.   The guy gets a long TD against Arizona and out come the "he's the best" type comments because he plays for Pitt.  Sure, he's clearly better than Tate. Obviously. Tate is disappointing, but I also think the Pats offense is far more complex than Pitt's. There really isn't an offense more demanding than this one. Wallace runs like 5 routes.  He's really only a deep threat, so as fast and dangerous as he is, and there is no question that is the case, you can gameplan for him. He's not freakish like an Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Fitzgerald, etc, but he's an ideal speed demon type on the flank. Nice pick by Pitt, but let's not go overboard here.  We could make the same claims when looking at our TEs and their TEs in terms of "we didn't pick the right guy" premises.
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing


    I am just curious and I am not trying to be smart a$$ here.  When you say that the patriots offense is far  more complex that the Steelers, what are you basing that on?  Then you say Wallace only runs 5 routes but he is only a deep threat. So does he run 5 variations of a deep pattern?  Granted he is not the 0-5yard from the los pass catching machine welker is, but I think we will keep him just the same.
     
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    The thing that bothers me about missing out on him is that he would answer a small hole in the Pats offense: a deep threat to make PA passing even better. 

    I've almost given up on Price. He looks so good in his reps ... then sits. Whatever. 
     
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    The draft is a crap shoot, it's why a guy like Pioli went from being a shuttle driver...to a genius...to a shuttle driver.
     
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    The Patriots are sitting on three receivers that the rest of the NFL would die for:  Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez.  Two of them were drafted from under everybody's noses.  Welker was simply the result of the Patriots preying on the Fins' inordinate cheapskateness, and he cost a second rounder and a seventh.  The rest of the NFL could have had Welker too.

    Mike Wallace will be bracketed with a cornerback and a safety.  That will pretty much be the end of him for the whole game.  Quite a number of WRs across the NFL draw double coverage these days.  Hines Ward will probably sit.  If Ward does play he'll get single coverage because he hasn't practiced all week.  After that, the Patriots will find two incredibly fat guys (choose from Haynesworth, Wilfork, Brace) to close down the right side of the Steelers' offensive line, and the well-disciplined defense will contain Big Ben in the pocket as usual.

    If the Steelers tried to double cover Welker, Gronk and Hernandez too, they would be as vulnerable to the run as the Jets were.
     
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    Yah ! ...what he said.
     
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    In Response to Re: MIKE WALLACE : 20/20 Vision Sux : I am just curious and I am not trying to be smart a$$ here.  When you say that the patriots offense is far  more complex that the Steelers, what are you basing that on?  Then you say Wallace only runs 5 routes but he is only a deep threat. So does he run 5 variations of a deep pattern?  Granted he is not the 0-5yard from the los pass catching machine welker is, but I think we will keep him just the same.
    Posted by steelerjim58



    Hey Jim!

    Good to have you back! Must be Steeler week. Rusty gets a little carried away sometimes, but he is an honest Homer. Maybe he means that the Steeler's Rep has always been run first and often, with Big Ben improvising out of a collapsing pocket to hit receivers on shorter, simpler pass routes.  Should be a good game, hope we win with nobody getting hurt...on either team.  We want your team healthy to deal with the Thugs from Baltimore.
     
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    Re: MIKE WALLACE : 20/20 Vision Sux

    You'll drive yourself crazy with these 20/20 Hindsight (which I'm assuming is what you meant to say in the thread title) opinions. You're much better off focusing on the guys you get right. This happens to every team, every year.

    How many teams passed on Aaron Rodgers?

     
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    In Response to MIKE WALLACE : 20/20 Vision Sux:
     One of my buddies is a Steeler fan ( bleh ) and after Pit drafted Wallace he told me BB made a huge mistake taking Brandon Tate over him . I dismissed it as just another one of his bitter Pats-hatin' ramblins.   By the end of that 2009 preseason he was callin Wallace "60minutes" and insisting the guy was going to be a gamebreaker.   I remember countering with "Yah right  , Belichick wouldn't have passed on him for an injured wr if he didn't think his guy was wayyyyy better than Wallace .   In retrospect my buddy was right ....dang it. 30 other teams not named the Patriots passed on Wallace ( and if the 2009 draft was redone today - Wallace would be taken in the top 10 ...maybe top 5 ) so slammin' BB too hard over this pick isnt fair....but there are a couple things that BB at least needs to own up to regarding this particular decision . a)The Pats needed a WR ( and took one ) -so obviously they evaluated Wallace heavily and considering the speedster was still on the board - you have to wonder what they DIDNT see in him. b) The Pats took a flyer on an INJURED Player instead . One they knew would not be able to help them immediately . c) Tate didn't set the world on fire in college - so I have to wonder what the Pats saw in him . I personally wasn't all that impressed with his college highlight reel ( Disclosure - I dont watch Colloge football so Im going by the limited highlights I watched of Tate before he blew out his knee )   I think BB is the best NFL coach of all time , but to be fair - he's not the best drafter , and if he was - it wouldnt be fair to the rest of the NFL .     Bill Belichick: Nobody is going to catch Mike Wallace Posted by Michael David Smith on October 28, 2011, 9:15 AM EDT Getty Images As Patriots coach Bill Belichick prepares for the Steelers on Sunday, he says stopping receiver Mike Wallace is going to be a huge challenge for his defense. “He’s a big-play receiver. He’s really fast,” Belichick said of Wallace. “Nobody is going to catch him, so you have to be careful about how much space he gets when he catches the ball. I think he’s improved a lot from when we played them last year, just as a football player, his patience and route technique.” If Wallace has improved a lot from when the Patriots played him last year, that could be trouble: Last year Wallace had eight catches for 136 yards and two touchdowns against the Patriots. Wallace, who leads the league with six catches of 40 or more yards, is the best deep threat in football. The Providence Journal notes that Belichick could have had Wallace in the 2009 NFL draft but instead chose receiver Brandon Tate , who’s no longer with the Patriots, with the 83rd overall pick. The Steelers took Wallace 84th. It’s fun to think about what kind of passing game the Patriots could have if they added Wallace, but suggesting now that the Patriots should have taken Wallace then sounds like 20/20 hindsight. In any event, Belichick knows his defense has its hands full with Wallace. “He stretches the field, but he can also take a short pass and turn it into a long run, so you have to defend him from the line of scrimmage to the back of the end zone and from sideline to sideline,” Belichick said. “He’s a tough guy to match up on.” Wallace is one of the toughest matchup problems in the NFL.
    Posted by CaptnFoxboro


    It isn't just about Mike Wallace and Brandon Tate - at this point, we have to realize that there is either something about the learning curve of the Patriots' offense or that there's something fundamentally wrong with how the Patriots evaluate receivers.  I tend to favor the latter because you don't see the Patriots' busts going elsewhere and having success.

     
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    Nice, young WR, but I also think he is incredibly overrated.   The guy gets a long TD against Arizona and out come the "he's the best" type comments because he plays for Pitt.  Sure, he's clearly better than Tate. Obviously. Tate is disappointing, but I also think the Pats offense is far more complex than Pitt's. There really isn't an offense more demanding than this one. Wallace runs like 5 routes.  He's really only a deep threat, so as fast and dangerous as he is, and there is no question that is the case, you can gameplan for him. He's not freakish like an Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Fitzgerald, etc, but he's an ideal speed demon type on the flank. Nice pick by Pitt, but let's not go overboard here.  We could make the same claims when looking at our TEs and their TEs in terms of "we didn't pick the right guy" premises.
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing


    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

    Only you would say that a receiver with 730 yards, 5 touchdowns, and an average of 20.3 yards per catch is overrated

    Your homerism knows no bounds
     
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    I don't think Wallace is overated, no way. kid can fly.

    Saying Wallace is overated is like saying DeSean Jackson is overated.

    Both guys are fast as F*** and are incredible deep threats.

    You can say "its all speed" but that simply is not true, you don't see Devin Hester putting up eye popping stats and he is exceptionally fast. Its more then just speed with these guys.

    Tate was a bust, Wallace is not. Draft = crap shoot. You win some( Gronk, Hernandez for example. I can only imagine how many coaches/GM's are kicking themselves for missing out on these two studs) and you lose some( Butler, Tate,  Chad Jackson, etc. or in the Steelers case, Limas Sweed, Ricardo Colclough, Bruce Davis among others..)
     
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    Re: MIKE WALLACE : 20/20 Vision Sux

    Just so you guys realize that this happens to other teams, here is a perfect example:

    Willie Reid

    Reid never found a spot in the logjam at WR, Image Courtesy of daylife.com

    After the selection of Santonio Holmes I figured that the Steelers had found not only a capable WR for the future that could be a #2 and possibly a #1 when Hines inevitably retired, but also a guy that could be a weapon as a Punt Returner that was needed after Antwaan Randle El left for Washington.  Thus, the Steelers would no longer be seeking any help at either position in the Draft.  Well I was dead wrong, and in the 3rd Round of The 2006 N.F.L. Draft the Steelers took WR/PR Willie Reid out of Florida State.  Reid’s Draft stock shot up as a specialist after a solid 2005 campaign followed by an outstanding performance by him against Penn State in The Orange Bowl where he returned a punt for a TD.  When the Steelers made the Reid selection I was as dumbfounded then as I still remain to this day.  They should have at least sought a Corner or an Offensive Lineman at that point in the 3rd Round, and there were plenty of players still left on the board.  Jahri Evans and Donald Penn were available Tackles, and even if they still wanted to go WR, Brandon Marshall was there at pick 95.

    Anyways, Reid failed to impress both the Cowher and Tomlin coaching staffs during his two year tenure in Pittsburgh at both the WR and PR positions.  In his two seasons, Reid recorded a total of 4 Catches for 54 yards, 7 KR’s for 146 yards, and 1 PR for 11 yards.  That’s it, Reid accumulated less than 225 total yards from 2006-2007 combined.  The Steelers would have been better off taking that 95th pick and flushing it down the toilet.

     

    Sound familiar? A special teams standout and WR, drafted in the 3rd round, a bust. Team missed out on players X, Y and Z... yada yada yada.

     

     


     
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