Re: MISTAKE? PATS DRAFTED WRONG OREGON SAFETY?
posted at 11/2/2009 4:46 PM EST
In Response to Re: MISTAKE? PATS DRAFTED WRONG OREGON SAFETY?
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: MISTAKE? PATS DRAFTED WRONG OREGON SAFETY? : Kindly disregard the "U R n iDioT" poster. That is his schtick. He comes on here, and calls someone an idiot once a day or so. I am a firm believer in the conduct of civil society -- so he is just out. To be clear about what I said . . . . Delmas is on one of the worst defenses in the league against the pass. He has started seven games to Chung's zero. I had NE taking Chung, so this isn't about BB. It is about what I know Chung can do. Chung is plaing behind McGowan, who just put Pats starter Sanders to the bench. That says wonders about McGowan's play. The fact that Chung actually got more reps than Sanders himself last week demonstrates volumes about how well Chung is coming along. As far as poor angles, all I can say is you either didn't watch Chung at Oregon, or are a really big Delmas fan. Chung takes great angles to tackles. He was a tackling, ballhawk machine in the PAC-10. As far as arguments, yours go . . . . 1.) You dont' believe everything BB says, which implies a.) I do [larf], and b.) my judgement is compromised because of this. 2.) Something wierd about Delmas being angulon, king of tackling angles, and Chung being the anti-geometric safety who couldn't find a nut if he were a blind squirrel . . . and then . . . 3.) IPSO FACTO, Delmas would have been a better choice, despite the meager statisitcal (and naked eye on my part) samples that indicate otherwise. Does that sound about right? Yes, Byrd looks good, on a bad defense, right now. We shall see how he does down the road. Yes, seven starts to nil is a poor sample, but it illustrates that Chung has performed better in short play. At the same time, it in no way authorizes anyone to make a judgement about Chung, and points out the absurdity of extrapolating Delmas as a better player when he has played more and (to be quite frank) looked worse.
Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE]zbellino
First, my bad myself, for corraling you with the "I'm an idiot
" guy: The two should have been non-sequiturs...We're both long time posters, and I know your usual arguments and thesises to be well-thought-out and validated ones.
Foremost, I agree that it is
in fact too early to tell who will be what, So it's kinda a moot point. My Draft Day prediction last season wavered between Delmas then Chung then back to Delmas, less because some appreciable difference in their overall skill-set, moreso because of the fact that I believed him to be a better true FREE
Ya See, I have viewed for some time (amongst others) James Sanders, IF not being rather average, is at least not a great "play-maker" (someone Offenses plan the game around, someone Defenses rally around because of big-plays/hits/variant skill-sets/leadership qualities, etc). Yes, Sanders has been good enough to start for what has been for 2-3 years, a very average NE Secondary, and a very good front 7 that masked it IMO, BUT
with the influx of talent THIS year, IMHO He's now occupying a role better suiting his skills-a role-player who knows the D, can fill in for the starters and play rather mistake-free.
Oddly enough though zbellino
, It seems that We BOTH wanted the same thing-a much more formidable Safety tandem... With THIS in mind zb
for that matter, I'm somewhat querolous as to exactly WHO occupies exactly WHAT Safety spot this year, and especially under what game preconditions Belichick uses said Safeties, and under what formation role(s):I've heard and seen multiple times now that McGowan has been playing somewhat of a hybrid LB-S 'tweener role, covering the TEs, etc. NOW, is THIS considered the SS on BB's D? Is He (McGowan) occupying Merri's SS role of last year specifically in run-support and blitzing at times (because Merriweather was getting pretty good and making a name for himself towards the end of last season in these two qualities)? IF so, Is Merri more now occupying more of a backfield Free Safety roaming spot,
OR Has there been some sort of fundamental shift in Safety groupings with Merri and McGowan both playing some sort of SS variant in the early downs, and someone like Sanders coming in as a true FS on certain passing downs, and WHO is playing what/where if and when this happens? ~
I recall some
Thread where a poster was pretty knowledgable regarding the exact personell groupings and under what usual preconditions within the oppossing team's game-play...Just curious, and Leaving it open for ANYone with better exacting knowledge on some of these things going on in Our Secondary...