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MISTAKE? PATS DRAFTED WRONG OREGON SAFETY?

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    MISTAKE? PATS DRAFTED WRONG OREGON SAFETY?

       With 2 more picks today Buffalo Bills starting rookie safety Jairus Byrd brought his league leading interception total to 7 ... tying a long standing NFL record with 3 consecutive games with at least 2 INT's .
     Byrd was also the second Oregon Duck D-Back taken in the draft
    ( Pats took Patrick Chung #34 ) .
       It's true his College position was Cornerback -not safety and it's certainly too early to tell exactly what Chung is going to become...but one thing is for certain : with 7 picks under his belt in only 4 starts , Jairus Byrd is a player .

     Note : Pats actually passed on Byrd a number of times in the second round, taking Brace at #41 and Butler at #42 before Byrd was snapped up by the Bills at #43 overall .

     Oh well...hindsight is 20/20...congrats to the much maligned Dick Jauron on what looks to be an outstanding pick.
     
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       With 2 more picks today Buffalo Bills starting rookie safety Jairus Byrd brought his league leading interception total to 7 ... tying a long standing NFL record with 3 consecutive games with at least 2 INT's .  Byrd was also the second Oregon Duck D-Back taken in the draft ( Pats took Patrick Chung #34 ) .    It's true his College position was Cornerback -not safety and it's certainly too early to tell exactly what Chung is going to become...but one thing is for certain : with 7 picks under his belt in only 4 starts , Jairus Byrd is a player .  Note : Pats actually passed on Byrd a number of times in the second round, taking Brace at #41 and Butler at #42 before Byrd was snapped up by the Bills at #43 overall .  Oh well...hindsight is 20/20...congrats to the much maligned Dick Jauron on what looks to be an outstanding pick.
    Posted by CapnFoxboro


    And yet they lost...  many players have chance to see the field on a stink team like the Bills but have to wait their turn on a good team like the PAT's.
     
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    Re: MISTAKE? PATS DRAFTED WRONG OREGON SAFETY?

    no, not a mistake
    Pat Chung is a hard hitting, tackling safety that the pats wanted and need.  Byrd is a useless tackler who is oft-burned and, as youve seen, can catch floater passes


     
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    Re: MISTAKE? PATS DRAFTED WRONG OREGON SAFETY?

    Here we go again.

    Patriots drafted the player they thought fits into thier system.  

    JByrd may not have the all around game and leadership and FB IQ that BB was looking for.

    Just because a player plays well for another team does not mean that he would play well in NE...remember A.Thomas

       
     
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    no, not a mistake Pat Chung is a hard hitting, tackling safety that the pats wanted and need.  Byrd is a useless tackler who is oft-burned and, as youve seen, can catch floater passes
    Posted by Gulo


      Hard hitting? ...Chung ?
    I understand it was his "college rep " , but so far all I've seen is him wrestllin' a few guys to the ground ( along with a few whiffs ) .
      Don't get me wrong...I'm actually a Chung fan ( I like his attitude and spirit ) but until he actually stings someone in the PRO's ...the juries still out .

     And "floater" passes or not...he knows what to do when the ball is in his vicinity
    (as I recall ~ a timely "floater " INT would have given us the Super Bowl in 2007 )
     
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    Re: MISTAKE? PATS DRAFTED WRONG OREGON SAFETY?

    To nobody in particular...

    Neither Delmas, Chung, Merriweather or Byrd are legit strong safeties, all of them are about 200 pounds and range from 5'10" to 6 feet tall.  Real deal strong safeties, ranging from 6'-6'2"/210-220pounds with range that can man up tightends don't come along often and the current trend is to stock up on hard hitting, play making free safties... at least that's what the PAT's are doing.

    That being said it's way too early to write off Chung, especially since he is now getting reps and making plays.  Not every player is going to progress as quickly but I know before their first season is up is way too soon to write somebody off...  Chung is making strides and I still think he will become a solid player.
     
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    To ALL : I'm almost positive Jairus Byrd was a CB in College, or at least, came out as one in the NFL Draft?  If so, and regardless, Ya gotta give the Bill's Brass props for recognizing Byrd's superb diagnosing of the pass-play, and excellent ball-hawking skills ... A guy I still wish we had taken over Chung wasn't Byrd, but Louis Delmas .  Over and over again I kept hearing the same thing about Delmas that I do about Pat's Brandon McGowan, namely: THAT He was always around the action .  I know that Byrd (now) and Delmas both play FS in the Pros, and Chung plays SS (I believe?-I haven't seen him on the field much), BUT ALL 3 Guys are the same height @ 5'11 and Delmas is something like 200 lbs, while Chung was at 210 lbs when Drafted (Byrd-205-ish), SO It's not like Byrd or here, Delmas, couldn't pack on 10 more lbs of muscle in a year or two. IMHO BB bit on Chung because of Merriweather's, until this year, somewhat slow development, and so He wasn't sure Merri (or who) would take over the vacant Rodney Harrison role.  Further that with the fact that Chung was known as a  "leader on D" and a "big big hitter", and again IMO, BB somewhat rose-colored the fact that Chung takes at times very poor angles to the ball (which a 4.4 something speed, and a reputation as an "intimidator" - can and does often cover-up in College).  I STILL think that picking a FS (with Merri at SS) would have been the better move and I argued FOR just that during Draft last year (never been impressed with Sander's "hawking" OR "# of times around the action").  Just shows that You draft for quality and skill (amongst many other things), BUT You DON'T Draft in hopes "to replace" just off of "need" (the right guy just might not be there that year, you might 'whitewash' his flaws because you think your need is too great, or that he reminds you of he guy you had/need over any other draftee, You may pass on a much, MUCH better skilled player but at a different position, etc., etc., etc..).   In the end, I'll Personally I'll take the 5 or 10 lb smaller-guy who isn't afraid to sacrifice his body, BUT will give me an INT (Byrd), OR ALWAYS be around the ball (Delmas), OVER a BIG-Hitting, Defensive "Leader" who is never anywhere near the action (Chung).  TRULLY hope I'm dead-wrong regarding Chung's fundamental flaw, or hope he can overcome that at the least, Because I'd love another Rodney Harrison on the Pats... Thoughts ANYONE ?
    Posted by LazarusintheSanatorium


    Yes I have a thought. I think your an idiot.
     
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    Re: MISTAKE? PATS DRAFTED WRONG OREGON SAFETY?

    I'm just going to say what everyone is thinking-- Shut up.
     
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       With 2 more picks today Buffalo Bills starting rookie safety Jairus Byrd brought his league leading interception total to 7 ... tying a long standing NFL record with 3 consecutive games with at least 2 INT's .  Byrd was also the second Oregon Duck D-Back taken in the draft ( Pats took Patrick Chung #34 ) .    It's true his College position was Cornerback -not safety and it's certainly too early to tell exactly what Chung is going to become...but one thing is for certain : with 7 picks under his belt in only 4 starts , Jairus Byrd is a player .  Note : Pats actually passed on Byrd a number of times in the second round, taking Brace at #41 and Butler at #42 before Byrd was snapped up by the Bills at #43 overall .  Oh well...hindsight is 20/20...congrats to the much maligned Dick Jauron on what looks to be an outstanding pick.
    Posted by CapnFoxboro



    Disagree Completely
     
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    Re: MISTAKE? PATS DRAFTED WRONG OREGON SAFETY?

    last I checked Meriweather was doing just fine with his tackles and interceptions. Might not be 7, but he's taking care of things. Chung will do the same, and maybe over time, more.
     
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    I cant beleave this many people are even watching the Bills this season....
     
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    To nobody in particular... Neither Delmas, Chung, Merriweather or Byrd are legit strong safeties, all of them are about 200 pounds and range from 5'10" to 6 feet tall.  Real deal strong safeties, ranging from 6'-6'2"/210-220pounds with range that can man up tightends don't come along often and the current trend is to stock up on hard hitting, play making free safties... at least that's what the PAT's are doing. That being said it's way too early to write off Chung, especially since he is now getting reps and making plays.  Not every player is going to progress as quickly but I know before their first season is up is way too soon to write somebody off...  Chung is making strides and I still think he will become a solid player.
    Posted by wozzy

    Polamula  5'10" 207 lbs.   Bob Sanders 5'8" 201 lbs.  Patrick Chung 5'11" 211 lbs. All three are strong safeties. I believe the first two mentioned are "real deal" safties who can man up.
     
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    In Response to MISTAKE? PATS DRAFTED WRONG OREGON SAFETY? : Disagree Completely
    Posted by gmbill


    wow gmbill ...U "Disagree Completely " with my opening premise...way to go out on a limb.
     Do u mind elaborating ? ( re-read my initial post . . .  what part other than calling Byrd  "a player' isn't based on fact ?
      Are u one of the last remaining internet users that is paying by the minute and need to conserve your AOL log-in time ?
      Even the ignoramous Pats49 at least made a somewhat interesting comment
    (for him anyway ).
     
     Please ESTRAPOLATE *
     
                        * stolen word from previous post'r



     
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    In Response to Re: MISTAKE? PATS DRAFTED WRONG OREGON SAFETY? :   Hard hitting? ...Chung ? I understand it was his "college rep " , but so far all I've seen is him wrestllin' a few guys to the ground ( along with a few whiffs ) .   Don't get me wrong...I'm actually a Chung fan ( I like his attitude and spirit ) but until he actually stings someone in the PRO's ...the juries still out .  And "floater" passes or not...he knows what to do when the ball is in his vicinity (as I recall ~ a timely "floater " INT would have given us the Super Bowl in 2007 )
    Posted by CapnFoxboro


    Ouch! That last statement was a hard hit! Has any team ever had their whole defensive backfield go to the Pro Bowl? I like what I am seeing back there, especially for the future. I like the way they have positioned themselves in the draft next year. Lets just say that I like a lot of what the Pats have done over the last decade. Prediction. Tom Brady wins 3 more SB's, going down as the greatest QB of all time and taking BB with him...
     
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    Jarius is a DB Chung is a head hunter we already have a DB playing deep middle and his name is Brandon MeriWheather we needed a roving hybrid FS/olb that sticks and can cover TE man up that is what chung is and Chung could start if it was not for McGowan having the year of his life
     
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    I love these Pats selection X in this years draft is a bust post. It is always the same people that profess to know alot about football in general and the Pats in particular while ignoring the FACT that the Pats are one of the BEST teams in the NFL and therefore have a talent level that would not allow a rookie to start unless they were a once in a decade type of player. We won't know who would have been the better pick ever, unless they both play the same position for the same team and the same coach.
     
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    Byrd is one-dimensional.  Chung has more upside.

     
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    Has any team ever had their whole defensive backfield go to the Pro Bowl ?
    Posted by bronson05


     I recall the 70's era Cowboys sent a number of DB 's to the Pro Bowl
    ( Cliff Harris / Charlie Waters / Everson Walls / Mel Renfro / Herb Adderly ... but I'm not sure how many of them over-lapped )
     
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    Re: MISTAKE? PATS DRAFTED WRONG OREGON SAFETY?

    It's way too early to completely evaluate this past draft.  But based on early evidence it appears the Patriots did really well.  Anyone can try and act like an expert and be a Monday Morning QB when it comes to the draft but it appears the Pat's hit a homerun with their 2009 picks.

    Also, why so down on Chung.  The guy's just started earning playing time and I saw him do several positive things in the Tampa game.  Just seems like a rush to judgment on the guy.
     
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    This is all hind sight 8 weeks into their rookie seasons. I certainly don't expect the Patriots to draft every sleeper in the draft and I am not unhappy with Chung nor do I think he will be a bust. Stats look great on paper but what's more important is that they cover well, tackle good and don't $crew up their assignments on any given play.
    You could post this same thread for every team in the league and pick out a dozen different rookies that they all passed on in the draft.#1: Why don't we wait and see a year or 2 down the line who is performing better because I doubt very much that Byrd will have 10 ints a year for the rest of his career? #2: Were you out posting the day before the draft telling everyone how great Byrd was? #3: You certainly don't sound like a Pats fan for someone with the handle of Capnfoxboro.
     
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    This is all hind sight 8 weeks into their rookie seasons. I certainly don't expect the Patriots to draft every sleeper in the draft and I am not unhappy with Chung nor do I think he will be a bust. Stats look great on paper but what's more important is that they cover well, tackle good and don't $crew up their assignments on any given play. You could post this same thread for every team in the league and pick out a dozen different rookies that they all passed on in the draft.#1: Why don't we wait and see a year or 2 down the line who is performing better because I doubt very much that Byrd will have 10 ints a year for the rest of his career? #2: Were you out posting the day before the draft telling everyone how great Byrd was? #3: You certainly don't sound like a Pats fan for someone with the handle of Capnfoxboro.
    Posted by ewhite1065


     DEAR EWHITE1065 ... Get your head out of your anal cavity ( and while you're at it clean the scrum wax out of your earhole ).
      I simply posed a question... Might Byrd end up a better player than Chung ?

     In answer to your predictably vanilla questions :

    #1 F...U
    #2 F...  the horse u rode in on
    #3 F ... your mammys kid
     
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