Re: Montana 4-3 in Champ Game, 4 one and done's; Brady 5-1 in ch game, 2 one and done in playoffs
posted at 1/20/2013 1:32 PM EST
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If you folks want to go purely by stats please read the following:
First about Otto Graham with the Browns.
In fact, they'd go on to set a record that still stands, appearing in six straight NFL championship games from 1950 to 1955, winning three of them. Bottom line: Graham played in a pro football championship game every single season of his 10-year career, winning seven of them in two different leagues.
Bart Starr: 9-1 in playoff history with 5, count em 5 NFL titles in six seasons.
One could make the argument that league talent wasn't as good in the Graham or Starr days in the NFL but the same argument could be made saying the NFL talent is much better now than in Montana's day. Bottom line for me is who was the best QB of their generation and not all-time. Because just based on stats of winning Championships both Graham and Starr stand out as the best. Starr 9-1 in post season is mind boggling.
Yeah, and I'm about tick of the locals but that accomplishment is much like Bill Russell's 11 championships at a time when the NBA had 8 teams. We're talking about a league at that time who had about a third of the teams (12). Not only were athletes smaller but the NFL simply couldn't attract top athletes at that time.
People would get drafted and choose to go work in the family business because they could make more money. They would have second jobs while playing. NFL team probably only had a handful of guys who were truly "professional" caliber athletes. The NFL didn't really become what we know to day in terms of popularity and salary until the 70's and even then major rule changes in the late 70's make a completely different sport where old records and statistics should really be kept separate.
In Montana's day there were still 28 teams and athletes were making millions so the best athletes were playing, but the 50 and 60's... Those guys may have been great by today's standards but there's no way to know.
I mean do you really think some guy could come in and play QB/RB/LB like back in the day or was it just a case of a "professional" athlete by today's standards playing with guys who would be amateurs by today's standards.
You could say that about all sports. Using this reasoning. perhaps today Babe Ruth wouldn't be that good. And what if those guys had the preparation , training & coaching (In part, due to their predecessors) they have now?
To wit, legendary QB Sammy Baugh, also punted, and with a then goofy ball, held the single season record (51.4 yd average in 1940, as detailed by BB on NFL.com). And despite the improvement in kickers over the decades (Punting averages are about 7 yards longer now than even in the 70s), this record still stands.
As a side note, Baugh also held the completion % record for decades (70.3%, in 1945, when the league average at the time was in the mid 40s).
I would say that about all sports, but different sports reached their peak at different times. As I recall Ruth made $100,000 and baseball was at its most popular in Ruth's time so it was attracting the best athletes, but at some point I'm sure it wasn't. The NBA is the same.
I'm not saying Baugh wasn't great but come on. What did he do punt seven times. He threw 182 passes for the completion record, today's QBs are throwing 400-600 passes. It's just a completely different sport.
He punted 35x that yr in a 12 game season; he also had a lifetime 45.1 average (338 punts). You must have known it wasn't 7 punts, just like you knew how many passes he threw.