MOSS or WELKER, who is the most indispensable?

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    MOSS or WELKER, who is the most indispensable?

    been hearing lots of this talk all year. want your feedback. all things being equal, if you could ONLY pick one or the other next year or for the rest of this year, who would you build around? who is the most indispensable? i pick MOSS! u can always find a welk, much easier. hell, edelman could do it or even a TO. there is a very short list of moss types out there. andre johnson, fitzgerald, brendon marshall imediately come to mind.  guys who because they instantly demand double coverage based on reputation and skills, make it possible for a welk to always get single coverage on a safety, linebacker or some nickel/second-rate corner  or DB. kind of like ortiz and manny in the day. ortiz never would have been ortiz without manny backing him up. pitchers always feared manny much more, thus papi got big fat beachnall-fastballs to hit in big situations because they saw manny on-deck and feared more what he brought to the table. then again, welk's underneath work, gives moss more burner lanes to run thru and forces some one on one type coverage by default. still, pickg moss. he was moss without a welker. pats can always put moss in the slot as they did against indy and get a bomb out of it rather than another 10 yard inside the tackles catch. 

    welker is shifty, quick and even explosive but he is clearly NOT a burner. he is constantly being caught from behind. look at his work as a punt returner. minus last week at indy, his first breakout run will be his first. moss, when he was a put returner, routinely took it to the house and had guys scared like a hester does. welk is a great #2, but moss clearly is the MAN from which everything else centers or revolves around! 

     
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    Tough call on this one, but my vote goes to Welker.  Significantly tougher than Moss.  You don't see Moss go inside a lot.  Plus. Welker is great with the YAC and moving the chains.  Moss may open things up downfield, but, Welker is a dimension no team has yet to nullify and they all know he's there.  Either way, isn't it great BOTH of them are on the Patriots' team??!!
     
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    brady was making fun of welk this morning on eei. he said that he is so short and small in stature that yesterday was the first time he has ever been able to locate him downfield when he raises his hand to signal that he is open. he compared it to the thing in a mailbox when u open it. like a big stubble! same thing with out of bounds plays or jump balls. less of a degree of error. he cant shield off any defenders. heck, jeff george, randall cunningham and culpepper are still paying hangers-on fees to moss after single-handedly making them all-world QBs during their stay with him. u think brady is breaking records in 07 without moss out there or in the best ever qb discussion? or being a chronic stats giant like throwg for 300 yards for 6 weeks in a row while being called both a winner and a stats guy? 

    welk cant run most of moss' plays, but moss can run most of welk's and do them just as well with even more upside and to the house potential. u can just carelessly lob the ball out there and moss can routinely go and get it or block defender from getting it. if welk is the top receiver, like baltimore with derrick mason, u will have issues at receiver. if baltimore had a moss, they would be the best team in football and would have beaten colts on sunday. put welk there and they are about the same. pats will b far worse without moss than without welker!
     
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    Your kidding right?? OK I'll bite.. Welker is uncoverable and gives teams nightmares. RM has clearly lost the ability to go up and over DB's. He has some great hands though..
     
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    been hearing lots of this talk all year. want your feedback. all things being equal, if you could ONLY pick one or the other next year or for the rest of this year, who would you build around? who is the most indispensable? i pick MOSS! u can always find a welk, much easier. hell, edelman could do it or even a TO. there is a very short list of moss types out there. andre johnson, fitzgerald, brendon marshall imediately come to mind.  guys who because they instantly demand double coverage based on reputation and skills, make it possible for a welk to always get single coverage on a safety, linebacker or some nickel/second-rate corner  or DB. kind of like ortiz and manny in the day. ortiz never would have been ortiz without manny backing him up. pitchers always feared manny much more, thus papi got big fat beachnall-fastballs to hit in big situations because they saw manny on-deck and feared more what he brought to the table. then again, welk's underneath work, gives moss more burner lanes to run thru and forces some one on one type coverage by default. still, pickg moss. he was moss without a welker. pats can always put moss in the slot as they did against indy and get a bomb out of it rather than another 10 yard inside the tackles catch.  welker is shifty, quick and even explosive but he is clearly NOT a burner. he is constantly being caught from behind. look at his work as a punt returner. minus last week at indy, his first breakout run will be his first. moss, when he was a put returner, routinely took it to the house and had guys scared like a hester does. welk is a great #2, but moss clearly is the MAN from which everything else centers or revolves around! 
    Posted by bubbakilla


    Simple, the Moss train helps the Welker bus go.  Wes is GREAT, but ask any coach, they'd rather let Brady try to win with Wes than with Randy.  We've been able to win without Wes in the lineup, we better HOPE & PRAY we don't find out if we can win without Randy...
     
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    In Response to MOSS or WELKER, who is the most indispensable? : Simple, the Moss train helps the Welker bus go.  Wes is GREAT, but ask any coach, they'd rather let Brady try to win with Wes than with Randy.  We've been able to win without Wes in the lineup, we better HOPE & PRAY we don't find out if we can win without Randy...
    Posted by sodiumpentothal
    would b like it was in 2006! must throw 3 times and then pray for a first down or 10 yards!
     
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    Tough call on this one, but my vote goes to Welker.  Significantly tougher than Moss.  You don't see Moss go inside a lot.  Plus. Welker is great with the YAC and moving the chains.  Moss may open things up downfield, but, Welker is a dimension no team has yet to nullify and they all know he's there.  Either way, isn't it great BOTH of them are on the Patriots' team??!!
    Posted by agcsbill

     Remove Moss from the equation and you have Wes becoming the primary defensive focus.  This equals a shut down.  The Patriots offensive scheme limits what Moss does, not his ability to do it.  The good thing is that Moss doesn't grumble about it.  He's a real team player.  I know it can't be easy watching a counterpart get 17 TARGETS in a game after the opposing clown says he can shut you down...
     
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    It Yin and Yang. Moss has an even better resume than Welk.  But Welker is the biggest reason we get in scoring position so often.  However, Moss at his peak was better but he may have lost a little of the jet speed.  I see Moss changing his game to stay in the league another 6 years.  Think Jerry Rice and the great ones.  Come on BB lets add Dez Bryant and Jermaine Gresham this years draft. 

     
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    It Yin and Yang. Moss has an even better resume than Welk.  But Welker is the biggest reason we get in scoring position so often.  However, Moss at his peak was better but he may have lost a little of the jet speed.  I see Moss changing his game to stay in the league another 6 years.  Think Jerry Rice and the great ones.  Come on BB lets add Dez Bryant and Jermaine Gresham this years draft. 
    Posted by kittycat6969


    If you are married, your spouse must be a happy man or woman.  Your keen insight is refreshing.  Thank you for your contributions to this site...
     
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    they both work off eachother, neither would have the same type of success without the other.  Take away Welker and Moss would see nothing but bracket double coverage, take away moss and welker gets the number one corner at a minimum.  A quality third WR would really alleviate this dilemma, unstoppable is the word that comes to mind Laughing 
     
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    they both work off eachother, neither would have the same type of success without the other.  Take away Welker and Moss would see nothing but bracket double coverage, take away moss and welker gets the number one corner at a minimum.  A quality third WR would really alleviate this dilemma, unstoppable is the word that comes to mind   
    Posted by andrewmcintosh


    agreed, but we've witnessed the Moss without Welker scenerio.  He lead the league in nearly every category.   He can still get it done...
     
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    It's hard to really compare the two. Two totally different positions really. Can't compare a wideout to a slot receiver. With that said, both of them are outstanding but they compliment each other so well.

    Anyone notice how Welker got so open on his catch downfield against the Jets? Moss took 3....thats right folks, 3 people with him making it easy for Wes to get open that far downfield. With the exception of maybe 2 or 3 other wideouts in the league, no one other than Moss is going to get that much respect. Say all you want, but the Pats passing game is much easier to figure out without either Moss or Welker in the lineup. The Pats need em both.

    I don't think Edelmann is a Welker yet, but he sure is looking good out of the slot as well. He looks like a minny Welker and he's doing it with a broken forearm.
     
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    been hearing lots of this talk all year. want your feedback. all things being equal, if you could ONLY pick one or the other next year or for the rest of this year, who would you build around? who is the most indispensable? i pick MOSS! u can always find a welk, much easier. hell, edelman could do it or even a TO. there is a very short list of moss types out there. andre johnson, fitzgerald, brendon marshall imediately come to mind.  guys who because they instantly demand double coverage based on reputation and skills, make it possible for a welk to always get single coverage on a safety, linebacker or some nickel/second-rate corner  or DB. kind of like ortiz and manny in the day. ortiz never would have been ortiz without manny backing him up. pitchers always feared manny much more, thus papi got big fat beachnall-fastballs to hit in big situations because they saw manny on-deck and feared more what he brought to the table. then again, welk's underneath work, gives moss more burner lanes to run thru and forces some one on one type coverage by default. still, pickg moss. he was moss without a welker. pats can always put moss in the slot as they did against indy and get a bomb out of it rather than another 10 yard inside the tackles catch.  welker is shifty, quick and even explosive but he is clearly NOT a burner. he is constantly being caught from behind. look at his work as a punt returner. minus last week at indy, his first breakout run will be his first. moss, when he was a put returner, routinely took it to the house and had guys scared like a hester does. welk is a great #2, but moss clearly is the MAN from which everything else centers or revolves around! 
    Posted by bubbakilla


    The answer is we need them both. Kind of like asking which leg makes you run faster, might be your left leg, but if you take it away the right one will be a bit slower...
     
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    In Response to Re: MOSS or WELKER, who is the most indispensable? : agreed, but we've witnessed the Moss without Welker scenerio.  He lead the league in nearly every category.   He can still get it done...
    Posted by sodiumpentothal

    agreed, Moss has made a career out of beating double teams, there's no doubt he's a more explosive and dominant player.  I was just saying that they both rely so heavily on each-other, one without the other would be far less effective.
     
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    Re: MOSS or WELKER, who is the most indispensable?

    Someone pulled this subject right off the lips of the DJ's at 98.5 the sports hub as they have been having this debate all day.
     
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    In Response to Re: MOSS or WELKER, who is the most indispensable? : agreed, Moss has made a career out of beating double teams, there's no doubt he's a more explosive and dominant player.  I was just saying that they both rely so heavily on each-other, one without the other would be far less effective.
    Posted by andrewmcintosh


    Without a doubt.  I'm sure Randy is extremely happy have Wes to help.  With the amount of "targets" afforded to Wes, most other #1 WR's would be livid.  Randy knows that this gives the PATS the best opportunity to win the Super Bowl. 
     
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    In Response to MOSS or WELKER, who is the most indispensable? : The answer is we need them both. Kind of like asking which leg makes you run faster, might be your left leg, but if you take it away the right one will be a bit slower...
    Posted by gmbill


    Well put...
     
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    Someone pulled this subject right off the lips of the DJ's at 98.5 the sports hub as they have been having this debate all day.
    Posted by MVPKilla2009


    Sometimes debate such as this is counterproductive.  When I saw it this morning, I was like, "we really don't need this sh** this week" lets focus on the task at hand.  Then it all went haywire. 
     
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    Re: MOSS or WELKER, who is the most indispensable?

    MOSS! you gotta go with Moss. Welker is great but as stated before Moss allows for Welker to do what he does. And Moss can play slot but how effective could welker be lined up outside all game against a teams best CB and a safety on top with a LB spying.

    Give Moss a little credit. Might be the biggest NFL decoy of all time.. before even coming to New England.

    Extra 2 cents: Seymore was another outstanding decoy while here in NE.

     
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    MOSS! you gotta go with Moss. Welker is great but as stated before Moss allows for Welker to do what he does. And Moss can play slot but how effective could welker be lined up outside all game against a teams best CB and a safety on top with a LB spying. Give Moss a little credit. Might be the biggest NFL decoy of all time.. before even coming to New England. Extra 2 cents: Seymore was another outstanding decoy while here in NE.
    Posted by 617AcrossDaBoard


    Good post.  Liked the Seymore comment.  That was so true.  His numbers suffered due to all of the attention he garnered...
     
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    they both work off eachother, neither would have the same type of success without the other.  Take away Welker and Moss would see nothing but bracket double coverage, take away moss and welker gets the number one corner at a minimum.  A quality third WR would really alleviate this dilemma, unstoppable is the word that comes to mind   
    Posted by andrewmcintosh
    y not TO next year? i would make that deal in a heartbeat! cheap one year money. imagine he and moss trying to outcompete and push each other each week? TO can still run every route and is still a great blocker for the run or in pass protection. no need for 2 TEs all the time. plus he has been a statesman and has dialed bak the drama, backstage politicking and lockerroom killer thing. if we can also make a trade with the rams for steven jackson (a 1 and 3 draft choice) that could be the best corps of receivers ever. imagine, had we been interested in gonzalez, that would have solved a lot of issues right there. he's like a WR anyways. 
     
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    Re: MOSS or WELKER, who is the most indispensable?

    Great call on the 98.5 question.  I can hear Tanguay asking this question for about the 63rd time in the first hour of the show, and that was more than enough for me click off.  The same guy that said they needed a big game from Moss to win this Sunday - knucklehead.  Personally, I say bring back Reche "Blinky" Caldwell and Doug "Don't call me Peter" Gabriel.   
     
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    Cheat coverage toward one and the other will kill you. As expected Moss draws the Jets best DB and the linebackers and safeties couldn't handle Welker. And now we see Welker Jr. (Edelman) starting to get in the flow.
     
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    Re: MOSS or WELKER, who is the most indispensable?

    There is nothing like the guys that can get you a first down.  Moss is great, and the decoy factor is not to be dismissed, but I have to give the edge to Welker.

    That said, this is a bit like asking is you'd rather lose your right hand or your left foot.  I really like both.
     
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    There is nothing like the guys that can get you a first down.  Moss is great, and the decoy factor is not to be dismissed, but I have to give the edge to Welker. That said, this is a bit like asking is you'd rather lose your right hand or your left foot.  I really like both.
    Posted by carawaydj
    but carraway, when its friday night and your wife is not accesible, how is your left foot going to take care of your urges? i say moss is your right hand and welker is the left foot!
     
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