Re: Murray vs Vereen
posted at 11/20/2011 7:16 PM EST
In Response to Re: Murray vs Vereen
In Response to Re: Murray vs Vereen : I agree with the studly, all round RB, but those are hard to find and I don't get why Ridley can't be a version of something like that. We just don't know. Dallas plants in Murrauy and he looks good. We don't know that here, because they just won't let Ridley go. Look, if BJGE's toe has been the issue, then so be it. I'd rather they get that thing rested up, etc, because when they used him as a lead back last year, less shotgun, etc, our offense was as lethal a 2007's, but actually in a more efficient way. It doesn;t explain not letting Ridley run with it, though, other than rookie fears. Whatever. You drafted the kid, give him the keys. The thing about subbing is there is so much film now on our shotgun base spread, the subbing tips off the play. We aren't putting enough pressure on the other team's D to guess if it's a pass or run. A lead back does this. Designed checkdowns to BJGE does this. Screens do this. If you sub, teams know we aren't going to ground and pound with Woodhead, but we can do all 3 things (pass, run or use RB to block/protect) with one RB on a drive. Not saying every drive use BJGE or Ridley in a lead role, but for most of the drives. Teams are out of gas by the end of the 3rd qtr, the game is controlled in a sense we don't turn it over, we win field position and it's just a matter of putting a 5+ minute TD drive together in that 4th qtr. The 4th qtr is also shortened when we run the ball (clock keeps running n 3rd downs before punts, obviously v.s it stopping on a 3rd down incoomplete pass) and have a lead, which forces teams into stupid decisions. Just think how Weis would use our backs in that offense. I actually think BJGE is an ideal back because he sort of captures what they wanted from Maroney, but also captures what Dillon did as well. He's not that level of talent with Dillon, but you know what I mean. He's Antowain Smith on steroids and what Maroney was supposed to be at once.
Posted by RidingWithTheKing
I was eating a cracker, ironing and a bit bored so I thought I'd respond.
I like Benny in some sort of roll, perhaps limited/back up. The problem with Benny and really with most of our backs is that they give away what we are trying to do based off their skill set. Why? Because they are all limited in some sort of way. You bring Benny in and you know that we'd like to have him run up the middle because the speed isn't there to stretch it outside. So what happens? A good team will crowd the middle - forcing him outside - not good.
Comparing Benny as a bulked up or juiced Antoine Smith is in my opinion a stretch. Smith was actually bigger and faster than Benny. When he came out of Houston he was running an absurd 40. There was a reason he was drafted in the first...he was big, tall and fast and he played that way for two years for us. Dillon obviously shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence.
Now you can say, well Antoine didn't put up great numbers for us, certainly no better than Benny, but Antoine ran with more power and speed in my opinion. We also had a young Faulk that could do some things to keep teams guessing.
I think our running hopes lay on Ridley and that worries me, simply because he's young and hasn't played enough. Truthfully Vareen needs (or needed) to play. This would give us two guys with game changing legs that could help this team. It's probably too late at this point, I doubt their going to experiment with two young guys when a playoff bye is at stake. Or risk one of these guys missing a key block that ends our season.
This Vareen thing is puzzling to me, why take him in the second and not use him? This guy would take a screen pass 75 yards first catch...guaranteed. From what I saw in pre season, he'll also go down on first contact, but why not use him a tad?
So I guess I disagree that Benny is the answer at lead back. I think he's just too limited to provide you with enough to run it more. I think he's too slow to be very effective on screens as well. I also don't consider him a very effective power back. I like him as a safe option that will get you a third and one, and as a guy that will give you 60 to 70 yards a game if used on a regular basis. Not bad, just not enough.