In response to mbeaulieu07's comment:
In response to TexasPat's comment:
Below is my latest Mock... I'm projecting what I, as well as a lot of fans would like to see... an upgrade to the DL and double dipping to add perimeter talent at both WR and CB. Kayvon Webster is a new name that I found while researching potential Day 3 CB's... certainly looks like a BB type CB due to his physicality, speed and triangle #'s:
Let me know what you think:
Rd 1- DT Jesse Williams (6-3 320)- Alabama: I haven't moved off of this pick in a long, long time... I just think his size, power, versatility, pedigree and upside makes too much sense if he's available. Alternatives: DE/OLB- Tank Carradine - DT- Sylvester Williams UNC - WR- DeAndre Hopkins - WR- Keenan Allen - DT- John Hankins - DL- Datone Jones
RESPONSE: Please explain WHY?? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the Pats' greatest needs were for a pass-rusher, help in the secondary, deep-threat WR, interior DL help to back up Vince Wilfolk, and OL depth. I haven't read where BB plans to go back to a 3-4 base defense? Why select a two-down, run-stuffing NT? Especially a one dimensional one, with short-arms, and no track record for collapsing the pocket on passing downs? NT is the deepest position talent-wise in this draft. A good one like Williams likely could be had late in the second round. I see the Pats trading down.
Rd 2- WR Stedman Bailey (5-10 193)- WVU: As underrated a kid as there is in this class, IMO. He looks like a complete WR to me: Very good route runner, seperates consistently, excellent hands and ball skills, good quicks/RAC ability, competitive, can play on the outside, productive, good effort as a blocker, playmaker. Alternatives: CB- DJ Hayden - CB/S- Johnthan Banks - WR- Quinton Patton - CB- Logan Ryan - CB Darius Slay - WR-Markus Wheaton
Rd 3- CB/PR Tyrann Mathieu (5-9 186)- LSU: Extremely competitive and aggressive kid that brings versatility, physicality and a lot of playmaking potential to the table, both as a defender and return man. Alternatives: - WR- Da’Rick Rogers - S-Shamarko Thomas - S- Josh Evans - CB- Dwayne Gratz - WR- Ryan Swope - DE/OLB- Michael Buchanan
RESPONSE: If the Pats decide not to sign Steeler WR Manuel Sanders, and keep their 3rd round pick (91st overall), I can live with this selection. Though Mathieu is an airhead, BB and his boys may be able to keep this kid in line. If so, the Pats will have one heck of a punt returner...and a nickel CB, with a nose for the ball. But, why would the Pats want a nickel CB, after investing so much money to resign Kyle Arrington?
Rd 7- CB- Kayvon Webster (5-10 192)- South Florida: Looks like the prototype BB CB prospect… physical, fast, very good triangle #’s and is a very good open field tackler. Alternative: CB/S- Micah Hyde - DL- Kapron Lewis-Moore - DL- Quinton Dial - S- Orhian Johnson
RESPONSE: An acceptable 7th round project.
Rd 7-WR TJ Moe (5-11 204)- Mizzou: A very good quicks/COD type kid that projects to the slot in the NFL. Alternatives: RB- Spencer Ware - TE- Michael Williams - WR- Mark Harrison - OL- Tanner Hawkinson
RESPONSE: Another Ebert type. Why roll dice on a slot receiver?
Sorry...don't take this personally, but these are not good picks for the Patriots. None of these selections can possibly improve their pass rush. Williams in round one is an awful pick, even if BB decides to re-commit to a 3-4 defense. The guy likely could be had late in the second round...or even in round three. The 3-4 is not the best scheme to fit the talents of BB's best young defender, DE Chandler Jones. Stedman Bailey doesn't have the elite speed or size to justify taking him over a defender in round 2. The Honey Badger is an intriguing project. He'd be worth the risk, if he can be had with the 91st overall pick.
That said, I like your alternative selections far better. Datone Jones in round one makes far more sense than Jesse Williams. Jones is a much more scheme versatile player, who can rush the passer. Love CB D.J. Hayden in round 2...and the Honey Badger in round 3, as discussed above. I'd be pleased if the Pats could pull off that trifecta.
I don't think DE/edge rusher is a must have... could they use some help? Sure... I'd love Tank Carradine in Rd 1 for that reason... versatile kid with solid vs. the run and has upside as an edge rusher. Williams has the size and power to push the pocket from the interior which is prob the best you can expect from an interior DL in a BB scheme which focuses more gap control and occupying blockers... he's also one of the strongest players in this class at the POA with a proven ability to eat up doubles... as good as VW (who isn't getting any younger) is, his career high in sacks is 3.5.
RESPONSE: You don't think improving the pass-rush is a must have"? So...I guess that you have enjoyed watching Joe Flacco and Eli Manning have all day to throw, every time they dropped back to pass, in big games against the Pats? Sorry...but Williams is a short-armed, one dimensional guy, who is worthless as a pass rusher. He'll be a two down player at best in the NFL. You're not really going to try to equate Vince with Williams, are you?? Vince can collapse the pocket on passing downs. Williams merely clogs the middle on running plays.
Jesse Williams is a good football player that's proven in the SEC with size/strength and upside to improve his game as he develops (only started playing football at 15). You don't like him as a player, I get it and believe it or not, I'm OK with that.
RESPONSE: No...you don't get it. It's not that I don't like Williams as a player. He's a fine prospect...as a run-stuffing NT. But, the Patriots have far greater needs than to waste a first round pick on such a limited player.
You italicizing something isn't gonna change my mind or make me agree with you... solid effort though.
Wasn't aware that elite speed was a necessity for a good NFL WR... the kid's overall game is what makes him so good and there's a chance that he may not even be available at the end of Rd 2.
RESPONSE: Really?? You pose as a knowledgable draft evaluator, yet you claim that you weren't aware that elite speed is a necessity for a deep threat WR?? FLASH...the Pats need a deep threat...not another slot guy, or possession guy. They could have had Mike Wallace in 2009...and Torrey Smith in 2011. Never mind...don't get me started.
Hahahaha, you should also do a better job of reading what I write there, tough guy... "Wasn't aware that elite speed was a necessity for a good NFL WR." NE needs WR's that can seperate and make plays down the field, Bailey is a kid that can do that.
I would've liked Wallace or Smith too, but they didn't draft them, so we move on... heck I wanted Randall Cobb and they took Shane Vereen... I wanted Eric Decker and they ended up with Taylor Price... it happens.
RESPONSE: Playing games with words now, are we? The Patriots don't need a WR. They need a deep threat WR...one than can stretch the field. How can you claim to follow this team, and not know that? A deep threat WR is a threat because lof his speed...which forces the opposing secondary to respect that trait...and not cheat up in coverage, or to defense the run. Such a WR forces the opposing secondary to play honest. Is it clear now...tough guy??
Keep clinging to your "NE has to have a deep threat to be successful", they'll keep producing like an elite offense and contending, regardless.
Put in the tape... kid is an awesome route runner... really knows how to tempo his routes, set his man up... he's constently able to seperate on the outside, can make plays underneath and down the field, plucks the ball with his hands and has excellent ball skills, particularly over his head... reminds me some of a young Deion Branch or maybe Steve Smith (CAR)... have also seen him compared to Greg Jennings. He also strikes me as a kid that could come in and pick up the offense quickly, get on the same page as TB, something that some previously drafted WR's were lacking.
RESPONSE: So now you're telling me that Stedman Bailey compares to Greg Jennings and Steve Smith?? And you know this because you claim to have watched tape of him performing?? Yeah...okay.
I know weird concept... you actually watch a guy play an build an opinion of him.
RESPONSE: Not saying that Bailey is a bad prospect. But, he's not the type of WR that can stretch the field. Got it??
I'm confident that both of these kids could come in and impact/improve their respective positional groups early.
RESPONSE: So...the bottom line is that you feel that a NT with zero ability to rush the passer, should be the Pats' #1 pick...and that a WR under 6'0", who lacks elite speed, is the Pats' answer as a deep threat WR. Got it.
Williams projects as having the ability to play inside in a 43 as well as the 5 and NT in a 34 and has upside and strength to develop as a passrusher and yes I think he could/should be the Pats #1 pick. Yes, I think Bailey and his 4.5 speed, good triangle #'s and very good all around game will help them at WR. Figured that was pretty clear from my original post.
RESPONSE: Who says that Williams projects as such a player? Every projection that I've read has him as a 3-4 NT. What are your sources? Or...is this just your opinion gleemed from watching a highlight film?? Again...Bailey doesn't have the proto-type size or speed to be a deep threat.
This is my opinion of him based on watching game tape and researching him as a player.
Agree that trading down is always an option with BB.
RESPONSE: Of course trading down is always an option!! The question is...considering the team needs, and who will likely be available to the Pats at pick #29...should BB do it?
No idea, you'd have to ask me when they're on the clock or close to it to see who's available.
RESPONSE: Isn't that why you do a mock draft? If you're objective in doing one, you can formulate a pretty good idea as to who would be available to the Pats at #29. The guys you listed as possible Patriots at #29, Datone Jones aside, are second round caliber prospects. BB is big on getting value for his picks. Doesn't that, and the fact that the Pats have only 5 selections, seem to indicate a good possibility of a trade-down?
The objective of my mock draft is to provide a list of players that I feel would be good fits at NE's idenitified draft spots, based on research. Whether you feel that they're Rd 2 talents or not is up to you... I disagree.
This post is directed at TEXASPAT. TP I usually enjoy reading most of your posts and your game analysis, but I got to tell you I think you have gone off the deep end lately. Dont get me wrong I am not the forum police, I try to be direct but also polite to everybody here. The only person I think I am outwardly rude to is CC but that is just because I am tired of his looney attention seeking threads. (and I admit I shouldnt even be rude to him. If your reading CC I apologize and will just ignore you rather than post unbecoming remarks). But TP as much as I enjoy reading you I think you have really been rude and condescending to some posters lately. A short while ago you engaged a respected poster here TFB12 in a long drawn out namecalling ridiculous thread just because you disagreed with him. Above your name calling and outwardly rude to another respected poster just because you disagree with him?! I really think if your supposed to be on meds you should take them, and not skip any days. BrdBreu said it perfectly in the above post; we can all disagree politely without going banannas on each other. Personally I read this thread every day but dont post on it much because i like hearing others opinions about the draft. I enjoy reading all the posts here even yours most of the time. Please remember the words of Plato; "“Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.” We all got our own battles going on, this forum is supposed to be an escape not create more! Stay well!