***My Latest Mock Draft 4-7-13***

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    Has anyone taken Gronks injury woes into consideration as a possible need at TE? I only because from everything I've read mock wise has the top two TE's going after #29,with that being said does BB protect his backside and draft one of them? Eifert or Ertz who would you want? Or would you rather gamble on a guy from the undrafted like Fauria or Williams? Just a question for everyone to think about. There is always the possiblity they sign another FA to compete with the rest of the cast of TE's already under contract. Kevin Boss is availible as is Jeremy Shockey.

     



    There are a few of us on MB's other draft post that have discussed possibly taking a TE early given Gronk's set back and the heavy focus on te's in our offense. If I knew Gronk would be ready day 1 and would play the entire season, then TE is not even in my thought process. However, there are tons of ???'s now.

     

    the only 2 kids that are worthy of an early pick are ertz and eifert. And, I think both could contribute early. so, depends if we are drafting for depth or expect production day 1. Again, tied to gronk's prognosis.

    the big ??? For me is what can we get from Ballard. Coming off acl injury, and even before it, he showed promise but didn't light the world up. Hern is more of a receiving threat from multiple spots than a traditional,inline TE. Hooman, fells, n better blockers than receivErs. So if your comfortable going into the season with this, then wait til later and draft a developmental kid, replace fells with him to save money. 

    The offense is dangerous with 2 receiving/blocking te's on the field at the same time and Brady at thE helm. With all the talk about WR in round 1, I might consider a kid like eifert, or ertz in round 2. If Gronk is ready to go, you could still use Gronk and Ballard as your inline te's, with Hern in the backfield and an eifert as your flanker, amendola as your wide out. There are schemes where you could literally have 3, 6'6"+ guys on the field at the same time Either catching or blocking. It's worth consideration anyway.

     

    I agree that they would just switch to the Hernandez and Ballard combo and mix in their plethora of TE's already under contract,but knowing BB he could just surrender to the fact that there will be no Gronk in 2013,at least not at the start of the season which would force him to PUP him until he's ready. This would open up the possibility of drafting a TE or signing an availible UDFA or a veteran still looking for work.


     

     
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    Has anyone taken Gronks injury woes into consideration as a possible need at TE? I only because from everything I've read mock wise has the top two TE's going after #29,with that being said does BB protect his backside and draft one of them? Eifert or Ertz who would you want? Or would you rather gamble on a guy from the undrafted like Fauria or Williams? Just a question for everyone to think about. There is always the possiblity they sign another FA to compete with the rest of the cast of TE's already under contract. Kevin Boss is availible as is Jeremy Shockey.

     



    There are a few of us on MB's other draft post that have discussed possibly taking a TE early given Gronk's set back and the heavy focus on te's in our offense. If I knew Gronk would be ready day 1 and would play the entire season, then TE is not even in my thought process. However, there are tons of ???'s now.

     

    the only 2 kids that are worthy of an early pick are ertz and eifert. And, I think both could contribute early. so, depends if we are drafting for depth or expect production day 1. Again, tied to gronk's prognosis.

    the big ??? For me is what can we get from Ballard. Coming off acl injury, and even before it, he showed promise but didn't light the world up. Hern is more of a receiving threat from multiple spots than a traditional,inline TE. Hooman, fells, n better blockers than receivErs. So if your comfortable going into the season with this, then wait til later and draft a developmental kid, replace fells with him to save money. 

    The offense is dangerous with 2 receiving/blocking te's on the field at the same time and Brady at thE helm. With all the talk about WR in round 1, I might consider a kid like eifert, or ertz in round 2. If Gronk is ready to go, you could still use Gronk and Ballard as your inline te's, with Hern in the backfield and an eifert as your flanker, amendola as your wide out. There are schemes where you could literally have 3, 6'6"+ guys on the field at the same time Either catching or blocking. It's worth consideration anyway.

     

    I agree that they would just switch to the Hernandez and Ballard combo and mix in their plethora of TE's already under contract,but knowing BB he could just surrender to the fact that there will be no Gronk in 2013,at least not at the start of the season which would force him to PUP him until he's ready. This would open up the possibility of drafting a TE or signing an availible UDFA or a veteran still looking for work.


     




    On the topic of TE, Day 3 is the highest I'd hope they'd target a kid and Colorado TE Nick Kasa (6-6 269) is the top name on my board in that range.  Kinda raw, having only one season at the position under his belt, but he's around a 4.7 kid with good COD (7.18) and upside.

     
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    Has anyone taken Gronks injury woes into consideration as a possible need at TE? I only because from everything I've read mock wise has the top two TE's going after #29,with that being said does BB protect his backside and draft one of them? Eifert or Ertz who would you want? Or would you rather gamble on a guy from the undrafted like Fauria or Williams? Just a question for everyone to think about. There is always the possiblity they sign another FA to compete with the rest of the cast of TE's already under contract. Kevin Boss is availible as is Jeremy Shockey.

     



    This is why we have Jake Ballard still on this team. No way they look at TE in the draft. 

     



    agreed. big elite wrs will make this offense moe dangerous (particualrly agqainst top defenses), with or without gronk.

     
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    Below is my latest Mock... I'm projecting what I, as well as a lot of fans would like to see... an upgrade to the DL and double dipping to add perimeter talent at both WR and CB.  Kayvon Webster is a new name that I found while researching potential Day 3 CB's... certainly looks like a BB type CB due to his physicality, speed and triangle #'s:

    Let me know what you think:

     

    Rd 1- DT Jesse Williams (6-3 320)- Alabama:   I haven't moved off of this pick in a long, long time... I just think his size, power, versatility, pedigree and upside makes too much sense if he's available.  Alternatives: DE/OLB- Tank Carradine - DT- Sylvester Williams UNC - WR- DeAndre Hopkins - WR- Keenan Allen - DT- John Hankins   - DL- Datone Jones

     

    RESPONSE: Please explain WHY?? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the Pats' greatest needs were for a pass-rusher, help in the secondary, deep-threat WR, interior DL help to back up Vince Wilfolk, and OL depth. I haven't read where BB plans to go back to a 3-4 base defense? Why select a two-down, run-stuffing NT? Especially a one dimensional one, with short-arms, and no track record for collapsing the pocket on passing downs? NT is the deepest position talent-wise in this draft. A good one like Williams likely could be had late in the second round. I see the Pats trading down. 

     

     

    Rd 2- WR Stedman Bailey (5-10 193)- WVU:  As underrated a kid as there is in this class, IMO.  He looks like a complete WR to me:  Very good route runner, seperates consistently, excellent hands and ball skills, good quicks/RAC ability, competitive, can play on the outside, productive, good effort as a blocker, playmaker.  Alternatives:  CB- DJ Hayden  - CB/S- Johnthan Banks  - WR- Quinton Patton  - CB- Logan Ryan  -   CB Darius Slay - WR-Markus Wheaton  

     

     

    Rd 3- CB/PR Tyrann Mathieu (5-9 186)- LSU:  Extremely competitive and aggressive kid that brings  versatility, physicality and a lot of playmaking potential to the table, both as a defender and return man.    Alternatives:  - WR- Da’Rick Rogers - S-Shamarko Thomas - S- Josh Evans  - CB- Dwayne Gratz - WR- Ryan Swope  - DE/OLB- Michael Buchanan

     

    RESPONSE: If the Pats decide not to sign Steeler WR Manuel Sanders, and keep their 3rd round pick (91st overall), I can live with this selection. Though Mathieu is an airhead, BB and his boys may be able to keep this kid in line. If so, the Pats will have one heck of a punt returner...and a nickel CB, with a nose for the ball. But, why would the Pats want a nickel CB, after investing so much money to resign Kyle Arrington?   

     

    Rd 7- CB- Kayvon Webster (5-10 192)- South Florida:  Looks like the prototype BB CB prospect… physical, fast, very good triangle #’s and is a very good open field tackler.  Alternative:  CB/S- Micah Hyde - DL- Kapron Lewis-Moore - DL- Quinton Dial - S- Orhian Johnson

     

    RESPONSE: An acceptable 7th round project. 

    Rd 7-WR TJ Moe (5-11 204)- Mizzou:   A very good quicks/COD type kid that projects to the slot in the NFL.   Alternatives:  RB- Spencer Ware - TE- Michael Williams - WR- Mark Harrison - OL- Tanner Hawkinson

    RESPONSE: Another Ebert type. Why roll dice on a slot receiver?

     



         Sorry...don't take this personally, but these are not good picks for the Patriots. None of these selections can possibly improve their pass rush. Williams in round one is an awful pick, even if BB decides to re-commit to a 3-4 defense. The guy likely could be had late in the second round...or even in round three. The 3-4 is not the best scheme to fit the talents of BB's best young defender, DE Chandler Jones. Stedman Bailey doesn't have the elite speed or size to justify taking him over a defender in round 2. The Honey Badger is an intriguing project. He'd be worth the risk, if he can be had with the 91st overall pick.  

         That said, I like your alternative selections far better. Datone Jones in round one makes far more sense than Jesse Williams. Jones is a much more scheme versatile player, who can rush the passer. Love CB D.J. Hayden in round 2...and the Honey Badger in round 3, as discussed above. I'd be pleased if the Pats could pull off that trifecta.    

     

     



    I don't think DE/edge rusher is a must have... could they use some help?  Sure... I'd love Tank Carradine in Rd 1 for that reason... versatile kid with solid vs. the run and has upside as an edge rusher.  Williams has the size and power to push the pocket from the interior which is prob the best you can expect from an interior DL in a BB scheme which focuses more gap control and occupying blockers... he's also one of the strongest players in this class at the POA with a proven ability to eat up doubles... as good as VW (who isn't getting any younger) is, his career high in sacks is 3.5.

    RESPONSE: You don't think improving the pass-rush is a must have"? So...I guess that you have enjoyed watching Joe Flacco and Eli Manning have all day to throw, every time they dropped back to pass, in big games against the Pats? Sorry...but Williams is a short-armed, one dimensional guy, who is worthless as a pass rusher. He'll be a two down player at best in the NFL. You're not really going to try to equate Vince with Williams, are you?? Vince can collapse the pocket on passing downs. Williams merely clogs the middle on running plays.    

    Wasn't aware that elite speed was a necessity for a good NFL WR... the kid's overall game is what makes him so good and there's a chance that he may not even be available at the end of Rd 2.

    RESPONSE: Really?? You pose as a knowledgable draft evaluator, yet you claim that you weren't aware that elite speed is a necessity for a deep threat WR?? FLASH...the Pats need a deep threat...not another slot guy, or possession guy. They could have had Mike Wallace in 2009...and Torrey Smith in 2011. Never mind...don't get me started. 

     Put in the tape... kid is an awesome route runner... really knows how to tempo his routes, set his man up... he's constently able to seperate on the outside, can make plays underneath and down the field, plucks the ball with his hands and has excellent ball skills, particularly over his head... reminds me some of a young Deion Branch or maybe Steve Smith (CAR)... have also seen him compared to Greg Jennings.  He also strikes me as a kid that could come in and pick up the offense quickly, get on the same page as TB, something that some previously drafted WR's were lacking.

    RESPONSE: So now you're telling me that Stedman Bailey compares to Greg Jennings and Steve Smith?? And you know this because you claim to have watched tape of him performing?? Yeah...okay.

    I'm confident that both of these kids could come in and impact/improve their respective positional groups early.

    RESPONSE: So...the bottom line is that you feel that a NT with zero ability to rush the passer, should be the Pats' #1 pick...and that a WR under 6'0", who lacks elite speed, is the Pats' answer as a deep threat WR. Got it. 

    Agree that trading down is always an option with BB.

    RESPONSE: Of course trading down is always an option!! The question is...considering the team needs, and who will likely be available to the Pats at pick #29...should BB do it?  

     




     



    tp, while you make most of the football points ive been making a good long time, i dont get why your post needs to be an attack on anyone, mb in particualr.

    the cool thing about this thread is posters share thier opinon, inlcudluding disagreements, without making it personal, without irritation, with respect and appreciation for themself and other posters. 

    i think an apology is in order and a change in behavior.

    this is how it could look:

    i disagree with player x in rd 1, i have player y. here's why i disagree.

    and on and on.

    respect for oneself and others. that's what it's all about. and that's what makes this fun.

    cheers

     
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    Has anyone taken Gronks injury woes into consideration as a possible need at TE? I only because from everything I've read mock wise has the top two TE's going after #29,with that being said does BB protect his backside and draft one of them? Eifert or Ertz who would you want? Or would you rather gamble on a guy from the undrafted like Fauria or Williams? Just a question for everyone to think about. There is always the possiblity they sign another FA to compete with the rest of the cast of TE's already under contract. Kevin Boss is availible as is Jeremy Shockey.

     



    There are a few of us on MB's other draft post that have discussed possibly taking a TE early given Gronk's set back and the heavy focus on te's in our offense. If I knew Gronk would be ready day 1 and would play the entire season, then TE is not even in my thought process. However, there are tons of ???'s now.

     

    the only 2 kids that are worthy of an early pick are ertz and eifert. And, I think both could contribute early. so, depends if we are drafting for depth or expect production day 1. Again, tied to gronk's prognosis.

    the big ??? For me is what can we get from Ballard. Coming off acl injury, and even before it, he showed promise but didn't light the world up. Hern is more of a receiving threat from multiple spots than a traditional,inline TE. Hooman, fells, n better blockers than receivErs. So if your comfortable going into the season with this, then wait til later and draft a developmental kid, replace fells with him to save money. 

    The offense is dangerous with 2 receiving/blocking te's on the field at the same time and Brady at thE helm. With all the talk about WR in round 1, I might consider a kid like eifert, or ertz in round 2. If Gronk is ready to go, you could still use Gronk and Ballard as your inline te's, with Hern in the backfield and an eifert as your flanker, amendola as your wide out. There are schemes where you could literally have 3, 6'6"+ guys on the field at the same time Either catching or blocking. It's worth consideration anyway.

     

    I agree that they would just switch to the Hernandez and Ballard combo and mix in their plethora of TE's already under contract,but knowing BB he could just surrender to the fact that there will be no Gronk in 2013,at least not at the start of the season which would force him to PUP him until he's ready. This would open up the possibility of drafting a TE or signing an availible UDFA or a veteran still looking for work.


     

     




    On the topic of TE, Day 3 is the highest I'd hope they'd target a kid and Colorado TE Nick Kasa (6-6 269) is the top name on my board in that range.  Kinda raw, having only one season at the position under his belt, but he's around a 4.7 kid with good COD (7.18) and upside.

     

    Whats the Story on TJ Knowles? Seems to have the necessary size 6'8" 268 of course I don't follow Sacramento State but I seem to remember a guard we had just a few years ago from the same area by the name of Neal a college wrestler but he turned out ok. Will Fuaria fall to the 7th round?


     
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    Thanks for putting in all of the hard work for your preview. I could definitely see it going something like that but never know with Belichick. I'd walk away pleased with that draft. 

     
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    Has anyone taken Gronks injury woes into consideration as a possible need at TE? I only because from everything I've read mock wise has the top two TE's going after #29,with that being said does BB protect his backside and draft one of them? Eifert or Ertz who would you want? Or would you rather gamble on a guy from the undrafted like Fauria or Williams? Just a question for everyone to think about. There is always the possiblity they sign another FA to compete with the rest of the cast of TE's already under contract. Kevin Boss is availible as is Jeremy Shockey.

     



    There are a few of us on MB's other draft post that have discussed possibly taking a TE early given Gronk's set back and the heavy focus on te's in our offense. If I knew Gronk would be ready day 1 and would play the entire season, then TE is not even in my thought process. However, there are tons of ???'s now.

     

    the only 2 kids that are worthy of an early pick are ertz and eifert. And, I think both could contribute early. so, depends if we are drafting for depth or expect production day 1. Again, tied to gronk's prognosis.

    the big ??? For me is what can we get from Ballard. Coming off acl injury, and even before it, he showed promise but didn't light the world up. Hern is more of a receiving threat from multiple spots than a traditional,inline TE. Hooman, fells, n better blockers than receivErs. So if your comfortable going into the season with this, then wait til later and draft a developmental kid, replace fells with him to save money. 

    The offense is dangerous with 2 receiving/blocking te's on the field at the same time and Brady at thE helm. With all the talk about WR in round 1, I might consider a kid like eifert, or ertz in round 2. If Gronk is ready to go, you could still use Gronk and Ballard as your inline te's, with Hern in the backfield and an eifert as your flanker, amendola as your wide out. There are schemes where you could literally have 3, 6'6"+ guys on the field at the same time Either catching or blocking. It's worth consideration anyway.

     

    I agree that they would just switch to the Hernandez and Ballard combo and mix in their plethora of TE's already under contract,but knowing BB he could just surrender to the fact that there will be no Gronk in 2013,at least not at the start of the season which would force him to PUP him until he's ready. This would open up the possibility of drafting a TE or signing an availible UDFA or a veteran still looking for work.


     

     




    On the topic of TE, Day 3 is the highest I'd hope they'd target a kid and Colorado TE Nick Kasa (6-6 269) is the top name on my board in that range.  Kinda raw, having only one season at the position under his belt, but he's around a 4.7 kid with good COD (7.18) and upside.

     

     

    Whats the Story on TJ Knowles? Seems to have the necessary size 6'8" 268 of course I don't follow Sacramento State but I seem to remember a guard we had just a few years ago from the same area by the name of Neal a college wrestler but he turned out ok. Will Fuaria fall to the 7th round?


     

     



    Fauria looks like a Day 3 kid that should be off the board at some point between Rds 5-7... would guess prob closer to Rd 5 due to his height/length and potential as a red zone threat.

    I'll have to check Knowles out... not a ton out there on the kid, though on the surface he does have the intriguing height/length.

     
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    Thanks for putting in all of the hard work for your preview. I could definitely see it going something like that but never know with Belichick. I'd walk away pleased with that draft. 




    Thanks man, happy to contribute... I enjoy discussing/debating prospects with the many knowledgable posters on here... yeah, BB's unpredictability is one of the fun parts.

     
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    NFL Network's Mike Mayock calls Tennessee WR Zach Rogers the top sleeper at his position.

    He goes on to project the third receiver as a fourth- or fifth-round prospect. "Zach is a slot guy who ran a 4.45," Mayock said. "He catches everything. He runs good routes. Prior to his Pro Day, I would’ve thought he’d be a sixth- or seventh-rounder. But he may have moved up into that fourth- or fifth-round range simply because he’s faster than people thought."  

    vs South Carlina  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVA1RnZ4WGk

    Good call, Ricky... believe I remember seeing him dust Amerson as well when researching Amerson.

     

     
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    NFL Network's Mike Mayock calls Tennessee WR Zach Rogers the top sleeper at his position.

    He goes on to project the third receiver as a fourth- or fifth-round prospect. "Zach is a slot guy who ran a 4.45," Mayock said. "He catches everything. He runs good routes. Prior to his Pro Day, I would’ve thought he’d be a sixth- or seventh-rounder. But he may have moved up into that fourth- or fifth-round range simply because he’s faster than people thought."  

    vs South Carlina  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVA1RnZ4WGk

    Good call, Ricky... believe I remember seeing him dust Amerson as well when researching Amerson.

     



    amerson's been dusted a lot.

     
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    NFL Network's Mike Mayock calls Tennessee WR Zach Rogers the top sleeper at his position.

    He goes on to project the third receiver as a fourth- or fifth-round prospect. "Zach is a slot guy who ran a 4.45," Mayock said. "He catches everything. He runs good routes. Prior to his Pro Day, I would’ve thought he’d be a sixth- or seventh-rounder. But he may have moved up into that fourth- or fifth-round range simply because he’s faster than people thought."  

    vs South Carlina  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVA1RnZ4WGk

    Good call, Ricky... believe I remember seeing him dust Amerson as well when researching Amerson.

     

     



    amerson's been dusted a lot.

     



    Yeah, 2012 was a lot different than 2011.

     
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    NFL Network's Mike Mayock calls Tennessee WR Zach Rogers the top sleeper at his position.

    He goes on to project the third receiver as a fourth- or fifth-round prospect. "Zach is a slot guy who ran a 4.45," Mayock said. "He catches everything. He runs good routes. Prior to his Pro Day, I would’ve thought he’d be a sixth- or seventh-rounder. But he may have moved up into that fourth- or fifth-round range simply because he’s faster than people thought."  

    vs South Carlina  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVA1RnZ4WGk

    Good call, Ricky... believe I remember seeing him dust Amerson as well when researching Amerson.

     

     



    amerson's been dusted a lot.

     

     



    Yeah, 2012 was a lot different than 2011.

     



    exactly

     
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    So I've looked this Pats team over and over. To me, right now they have one pressing need and that is WR. So I was thinking WR in rounds 1 and 3 but why not in rounds 1 and 2. I personally have Hopkins ranked #1 on the Maine12 board. I also think Dobson has the most potential, size and speed. So it led my to the Maine12 mock.

    Round 1- DeAndre Hopkins- Lines up on both sides of the ball and uses his large frame to catch balls over the middle. he doesn't have elite speed but he can stretch the field in man to man. He doesn't run the best routes but if you deliver a ball in his area he adjust to the ball and makes catches with his hands. Hopkins is the definition of a chain mover and reminds a lot of Roddy White.

    Round 2- Aaron Dobson- When I see this kid I see a red zone freak. Tall fluid body that plays with his size. He does have inconsistant hands and it limits him to be more of a side line reciever. But he can take the top off a defense and reminds me a little of Randy the basket catch over the shoulder for a deep pass.(but maybe its just the Marshall jersey) 

    Round 3- Alex Okafor- Kind of a stretch here but for some reason i think he may fall this far. I think he has extremely strong upper body and a good first step. Better at getting after the QB than he is stopping the run but as we know the Pats bigger needs are getting after the QB.

    Round 7- Dustin Hopkins- Fills a very large need for this team, Hopkins is a very good kicker and consistant as well. The cold weather in New England scares me a little but he is easily the top kicker in the draft. Also the 49ers may draft a kicker with  the need and all the draft selections. 

    Round 7- Jonathan Stewart- Listed as a MLB but Texaas A&M moved him around quite a bit. He rushed the passer from inside and outside. Covered TE's pretty good and picked up RB out of the backfirld. Biggest weakness is against the run. By no means is he a game changer, but hes versatile and he can play coverage better than Spikes on 3rd and long. Talented enough to play special teams although I couldn't find any film of him on special teams.

     
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    So I've looked this Pats team over and over. To me, right now they have one pressing need and that is WR. So I was thinking WR in rounds 1 and 3 but why not in rounds 1 and 2. I personally have Hopkins ranked #1 on the Maine12 board. I also think Dobson has the most potential, size and speed. So it led my to the Maine12 mock.

    Round 1- DeAndre Hopkins- Lines up on both sides of the ball and uses his large frame to catch balls over the middle. he doesn't have elite speed but he can stretch the field in man to man. He doesn't run the best routes but if you deliver a ball in his area he adjust to the ball and makes catches with his hands. Hopkins is the definition of a chain mover and reminds a lot of Roddy White.

    Round 2- Aaron Dobson- When I see this kid I see a red zone freak. Tall fluid body that plays with his size. He does have inconsistant hands and it limits him to be more of a side line reciever. But he can take the top off a defense and reminds me a little of Randy the basket catch over the shoulder for a deep pass.(but maybe its just the Marshall jersey) 

    Round 3- Alex Okafor- Kind of a stretch here but for some reason i think he may fall this far. I think he has extremely strong upper body and a good first step. Better at getting after the QB than he is stopping the run but as we know the Pats bigger needs are getting after the QB.

    Round 7- Dustin Hopkins- Fills a very large need for this team, Hopkins is a very good kicker and consistant as well. The cold weather in New England scares me a little but he is easily the top kicker in the draft. Also the 49ers may draft a kicker with  the need and all the draft selections. 

    Round 7- Jonathan Stewart- Listed as a MLB but Texaas A&M moved him around quite a bit. He rushed the passer from inside and outside. Covered TE's pretty good and picked up RB out of the backfirld. Biggest weakness is against the run. By no means is he a game changer, but hes versatile and he can play coverage better than Spikes on 3rd and long. Talented enough to play special teams although I couldn't find any film of him on special teams.



    nice maine, i have rogers over dobson (dobson is one of my bnackup wr picks).

    and getting hopkins, a big wr and a pass rsuhing de is what id like. okafor is the last de on my list. 

    so id tahe your draft for sure. you taek 5 postions of need and fill them.

    one problem i have, bb didint get the extra startign outside cb id want in order to pcik 2 wrs.

     

    my first prefernce is to trade mallet add some 2014 picks and get carradine and hopkins in the first 2 picks, followed by rogers or a big press man cb.

    de backup options detone jones, hunt, okafor)

    wr backup otions dobson, hunter, williams, woods

     
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    How old is wilfork? 32?  So we will have 2old nose tackles very soon. Story wr guys we need to get a dt so we can transition him to a starting role in a couple years. That was brace. Think if he was still here and any good tht would have been better then great. so now we look at the d's future in a rich draft. I know that I'll get flamed but it wouldn't hurt my feelings if we took a DT in round 1and2.  

     
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    The most recent Walter Mock Draft has the author noting his difficulty in placing nose tackles within the draft because, according to him, there are so many but there are so few teams that have that need. Would suggest that a servicable player at this position might be available later than we think. 

     
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    Below is my latest Mock... I'm projecting what I, as well as a lot of fans would like to see... an upgrade to the DL and double dipping to add perimeter talent at both WR and CB.  Kayvon Webster is a new name that I found while researching potential Day 3 CB's... certainly looks like a BB type CB due to his physicality, speed and triangle #'s:

    Let me know what you think:

     Rd 1- DT Jesse Williams (6-3 320)- Alabama:   I haven't moved off of this pick in a long, long time... I just think his size, power, versatility, pedigree and upside makes too much sense if he's available.  Alternatives: DE/OLB- Tank Carradine - DT- Sylvester Williams UNC - WR- DeAndre Hopkins - WR- Keenan Allen - DT- John Hankins   - DL- Datone Jones

     

    RESPONSE: Please explain WHY?? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the Pats' greatest needs were for a pass-rusher, help in the secondary, deep-threat WR, interior DL help to back up Vince Wilfolk, and OL depth. I haven't read where BB plans to go back to a 3-4 base defense? Why select a two-down, run-stuffing NT? Especially a one dimensional one, with short-arms, and no track record for collapsing the pocket on passing downs? NT is the deepest position talent-wise in this draft. A good one like Williams likely could be had late in the second round. I see the Pats trading down. 

     

     

    Rd 2- WR Stedman Bailey (5-10 193)- WVU:  As underrated a kid as there is in this class, IMO.  He looks like a complete WR to me:  Very good route runner, seperates consistently, excellent hands and ball skills, good quicks/RAC ability, competitive, can play on the outside, productive, good effort as a blocker, playmaker.  Alternatives:  CB- DJ Hayden  - CB/S- Johnthan Banks  - WR- Quinton Patton  - CB- Logan Ryan  -   CB Darius Slay - WR-Markus Wheaton  

     

     Rd 3- CB/PR Tyrann Mathieu (5-9 186)- LSU:  Extremely competitive and aggressive kid that brings  versatility, physicality and a lot of playmaking potential to the table, both as a defender and return man.    Alternatives:  - WR- Da’Rick Rogers - S-Shamarko Thomas - S- Josh Evans  - CB- Dwayne Gratz - WR- Ryan Swope  - DE/OLB- Michael Buchanan

     

    RESPONSE: If the Pats decide not to sign Steeler WR Manuel Sanders, and keep their 3rd round pick (91st overall), I can live with this selection. Though Mathieu is an airhead, BB and his boys may be able to keep this kid in line. If so, the Pats will have one heck of a punt returner...and a nickel CB, with a nose for the ball. But, why would the Pats want a nickel CB, after investing so much money to resign Kyle Arrington?   

     

    Rd 7- CB- Kayvon Webster (5-10 192)- South Florida:  Looks like the prototype BB CB prospect… physical, fast, very good triangle #’s and is a very good open field tackler.  Alternative:  CB/S- Micah Hyde - DL- Kapron Lewis-Moore - DL- Quinton Dial - S- Orhian Johnson

     

    RESPONSE: An acceptable 7th round project. 

    Rd 7-WR TJ Moe (5-11 204)- Mizzou:   A very good quicks/COD type kid that projects to the slot in the NFL.   Alternatives:  RB- Spencer Ware - TE- Michael Williams - WR- Mark Harrison - OL- Tanner Hawkinson

    RESPONSE: Another Ebert type. Why roll dice on a slot receiver?

    Sorry...don't take this personally, but these are not good picks for the Patriots. None of these selections can possibly improve their pass rush. Williams in round one is an awful pick, even if BB decides to re-commit to a 3-4 defense. The guy likely could be had late in the second round...or even in round three. The 3-4 is not the best scheme to fit the talents of BB's best young defender, DE Chandler Jones. Stedman Bailey doesn't have the elite speed or size to justify taking him over a defender in round 2. The Honey Badger is an intriguing project. He'd be worth the risk, if he can be had with the 91st overall pick.  

         That said, I like your alternative selections far better. Datone Jones in round one makes far more sense than Jesse Williams. Jones is a much more scheme versatile player, who can rush the passer. Love CB D.J. Hayden in round 2...and the Honey Badger in round 3, as discussed above. I'd be pleased if the Pats could pull off that trifecta.    

    I don't think DE/edge rusher is a must have... could they use some help?  Sure... I'd love Tank Carradine in Rd 1 for that reason... versatile kid with solid vs. the run and has upside as an edge rusher.  Williams has the size and power to push the pocket from the interior which is prob the best you can expect from an interior DL in a BB scheme which focuses more gap control and occupying blockers... he's also one of the strongest players in this class at the POA with a proven ability to eat up doubles... as good as VW (who isn't getting any younger) is, his career high in sacks is 3.5.

    RESPONSE: You don't think improving the pass-rush is a must have"? So...I guess that you have enjoyed watching Joe Flacco and Eli Manning have all day to throw, every time they dropped back to pass, in big games against the Pats? Sorry...but Williams is a short-armed, one dimensional guy, who is worthless as a pass rusher. He'll be a two down player at best in the NFL. You're not really going to try to equate Vince with Williams, are you?? Vince can collapse the pocket on passing downs. Williams merely clogs the middle on running plays.    

    Jesse Williams is a good football player that's proven in the SEC with size/strength and upside to improve his game as he develops (only started playing football at 15).  You don't like him as a player, I get it and believe it or not, I'm OK with that.

    RESPONSE: No...you don't get it. It's not that I don't like Williams as a player. He's a fine prospect...as a run-stuffing NT. But, the Patriots have far greater needs than to waste a first round pick on such a limited player.

    You italicizing something isn't gonna change my mind or make me agree with you... solid effort though.

    Wasn't aware that elite speed was a necessity for a good NFL WR... the kid's overall game is what makes him so good and there's a chance that he may not even be available at the end of Rd 2.

    RESPONSE: Really?? You pose as a knowledgable draft evaluator, yet you claim that you weren't aware that elite speed is a necessity for a deep threat WR?? FLASH...the Pats need a deep threat...not another slot guy, or possession guy. They could have had Mike Wallace in 2009...and Torrey Smith in 2011. Never mind...don't get me started. 

    Hahahaha, you should also do a better job of reading what I write there, tough guy... "Wasn't aware that elite speed was a necessity for a good NFL WR."  NE needs WR's that can seperate and make plays down the field, Bailey is a kid that can do that.

    I would've liked Wallace or Smith too, but they didn't draft them, so we move on... heck I wanted Randall Cobb and they took Shane Vereen... I wanted Eric Decker and they ended up with Taylor Price... it happens.

     RESPONSE: Playing games with words now, are we? The Patriots don't need a WR. They need a deep threat WR...one than can stretch the field. How can you claim to follow this team, and not know that? A deep threat WR is a threat because lof his speed...which forces the opposing secondary to respect that trait...and not cheat up in coverage, or to defense the run. Such a WR forces the opposing secondary to play honest. Is it clear now...tough guy?? 

    Keep clinging to your "NE has to have a deep threat to be successful", they'll keep producing like an elite offense and contending, regardless.  

     Put in the tape... kid is an awesome route runner... really knows how to tempo his routes, set his man up... he's constently able to seperate on the outside, can make plays underneath and down the field, plucks the ball with his hands and has excellent ball skills, particularly over his head... reminds me some of a young Deion Branch or maybe Steve Smith (CAR)... have also seen him compared to Greg Jennings.  He also strikes me as a kid that could come in and pick up the offense quickly, get on the same page as TB, something that some previously drafted WR's were lacking.

    RESPONSE: So now you're telling me that Stedman Bailey compares to Greg Jennings and Steve Smith?? And you know this because you claim to have watched tape of him performing?? Yeah...okay.

    I know weird concept... you actually watch a guy play an build an opinion of him.

    RESPONSE: Not saying that Bailey is a bad prospect. But, he's not the type of WR that can stretch the field. Got it??

     I'm confident that both of these kids could come in and impact/improve their respective positional groups early.

    RESPONSE: So...the bottom line is that you feel that a NT with zero ability to rush the passer, should be the Pats' #1 pick...and that a WR under 6'0", who lacks elite speed, is the Pats' answer as a deep threat WR. Got it. 

    Williams projects as having the ability to play inside in a 43 as well as the 5 and NT in a 34 and has upside and strength to develop as a passrusher and yes I think he could/should be the Pats #1 pick.  Yes, I think Bailey and his 4.5 speed, good triangle #'s and very good all around game will help them at WR.  Figured that was pretty clear from my original post.

    RESPONSE: Who says that Williams projects as such a player? Every projection that I've read has him as a 3-4 NT. What are your sources? Or...is this just your opinion gleemed from watching a highlight film?? Again...Bailey doesn't have the proto-type size or speed to be a deep threat.  

    This is my opinion of him based on watching game tape and researching him as a player.

    Agree that trading down is always an option with BB.

    RESPONSE: Of course trading down is always an option!! The question is...considering the team needs, and who will likely be available to the Pats at pick #29...should BB do it?  

    No idea, you'd have to ask me when they're on the clock or close to it to see who's available.

    RESPONSE: Isn't that why you do a mock draft? If you're objective in doing one, you can formulate a pretty good idea as to who would be available to the Pats at #29. The guys you listed as possible Patriots at #29, Datone Jones aside, are second round caliber prospects. BB is big on getting value for his picks. Doesn't that, and the fact that the Pats have only 5 selections, seem to indicate a good possibility of a trade-down?  

    The objective of my mock draft is to provide a list of players that I feel would be good fits at NE's idenitified draft spots, based on research.  Whether you feel that they're Rd 2 talents or not is up to you... I disagree.

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    This post is directed at TEXASPAT. TP I usually enjoy reading most of your posts and your game analysis, but I got to tell you I think you have gone off the deep end lately. Dont get me wrong I am not the forum police, I try to be direct but also polite to everybody here. The only person I think I am outwardly rude to is CC but that is just because I am tired of his looney attention seeking threads. (and I admit I shouldnt even be rude to him. If your reading CC I apologize and will just ignore you rather than post unbecoming remarks). But TP as much as I enjoy reading you I think you have really been rude and condescending to some posters lately. A short while ago you engaged a respected poster here TFB12 in a long drawn out namecalling ridiculous thread just because you disagreed with him. Above your name calling and outwardly rude to another respected poster just because you disagree with him?! I really think if your  supposed to be on meds you should take them, and not skip any days. BrdBreu said it perfectly in the above post; we can all disagree politely without going banannas on each other. Personally I read this thread every day but dont post on it much because i like hearing others opinions about the draft. I enjoy reading all the posts here even yours most of the time. Please remember the words of Plato; "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.” We all got our own battles going on, this forum is supposed to be an escape not create more! Stay well!

     
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    How old is wilfork? 32?  So we will have 2old nose tackles very soon. Story wr guys we need to get a dt so we can transition him to a starting role in a couple years. That was brace. Think if he was still here and any good tht would have been better then great. so now we look at the d's future in a rich draft. I know that I'll get flamed but it wouldn't hurt my feelings if we took a DT in round 1and2.  



    I feel that Wilfork is a productive 32. He has 3 good years left in the tank. If the Pats wouldnt have let lloyd go, I would want a DT or DE in round one. But our only two outside recievers right now are Jenkins and Jones. Also if the Pats jump on a WR in round one their is a great chance a guy like Jesse Williams, Jon Jenkins, and Akeem Spence will fall to round 2. 

     
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    Why not bring LLoyd back - get one receiver in the draft - this would give much more flexibility on draft day.

    Lloyd must have turned into a head case - does that happen overnite? How would McDaniels not know this?

     
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    Why not bring LLoyd back - get one receiver in the draft - this would give much more flexibility on draft day.

    Lloyd must have turned into a head case - does that happen overnite? How would McDaniels not know this?



    Lloyd or even Edleman and I wont have them going rounds 1 and 2  with a WR.

     
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    So I've looked this Pats team over and over. To me, right now they have one pressing need and that is WR. So I was thinking WR in rounds 1 and 3 but why not in rounds 1 and 2. I personally have Hopkins ranked #1 on the Maine12 board. I also think Dobson has the most potential, size and speed. So it led my to the Maine12 mock.

    Round 1- DeAndre Hopkins- Lines up on both sides of the ball and uses his large frame to catch balls over the middle. he doesn't have elite speed but he can stretch the field in man to man. He doesn't run the best routes but if you deliver a ball in his area he adjust to the ball and makes catches with his hands. Hopkins is the definition of a chain mover and reminds a lot of Roddy White.

    Round 2- Aaron Dobson- When I see this kid I see a red zone freak. Tall fluid body that plays with his size. He does have inconsistant hands and it limits him to be more of a side line reciever. But he can take the top off a defense and reminds me a little of Randy the basket catch over the shoulder for a deep pass.(but maybe its just the Marshall jersey) 

    Round 3- Alex Okafor- Kind of a stretch here but for some reason i think he may fall this far. I think he has extremely strong upper body and a good first step. Better at getting after the QB than he is stopping the run but as we know the Pats bigger needs are getting after the QB.

    Round 7- Dustin Hopkins- Fills a very large need for this team, Hopkins is a very good kicker and consistant as well. The cold weather in New England scares me a little but he is easily the top kicker in the draft. Also the 49ers may draft a kicker with  the need and all the draft selections. 

    Round 7- Jonathan Stewart- Listed as a MLB but Texaas A&M moved him around quite a bit. He rushed the passer from inside and outside. Covered TE's pretty good and picked up RB out of the backfirld. Biggest weakness is against the run. By no means is he a game changer, but hes versatile and he can play coverage better than Spikes on 3rd and long. Talented enough to play special teams although I couldn't find any film of him on special teams.

     



    nice maine, i have rogers over dobson (dobson is one of my bnackup wr picks).

     

    and getting hopkins, a big wr and a pass rsuhing de is what id like. okafor is the last de on my list. 

    so id tahe your draft for sure. you taek 5 postions of need and fill them.

    one problem i have, bb didint get the extra startign outside cb id want in order to pcik 2 wrs.

     

    my first prefernce is to trade mallet add some 2014 picks and get carradine and hopkins in the first 2 picks, followed by rogers or a big press man cb.

    de backup options detone jones, hunt, okafor)

    wr backup otions dobson, hunter, williams, woods



    I'm not as high on Dobson as others and I'd like to add a CB, but I'd love the Hopkins pick and think Okafor could be good value in Rd 3.  Hopkins in rd 7 makes sense if they're looking to give Gost some competition and eventually move on from with with a more cost effective solution.

     
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    I'm not as high on Dobson as others and I'd like to add a CB, but I'd love the Hopkins pick and think Okafor could be good value in Rd 3.  Hopkins in rd 7 makes sense if they're looking to give Gost some competition and eventually move on from with with a more cost effective solution.

     

     




     

    Just curious as you would have a better handle than me on the prospective choices. What would beyour concerns regarding Dobson? I have only seen clips of him playing so all of my knowledge on him comes from written reports.




    I can see the value of a kid like Dobson, but I have other WR's higher on my Rd 2 board (i.e. Bailey and Da'Rick Rogers).  Dobson was never an overly productive kid in college, topping out at 57 catches in 2012... this could be due partially to inconsistent QB play, but he was only 3rd on his team in receptions this year... with a QB that was 4th nationally in passing yards, 3rd nationally in TD passes and first nationally in attempts (Soph Tommy Shuler was 1st with 110 catches).  He had 12 TD's in 2011 but only 3 in 2012... again, I don't think he's a bad option, just not as high on him as others.

     
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