My, oh my, what do we have to look forward to?

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    My, oh my, what do we have to look forward to?

    The draft is over, the Pats have a pretty good lineup of players in its stable and Brady is on the mend.  What don't we have to get excited about other than the start of the season?

    First, I don't want to hear ANY mention of a possible unde... I'll stop there!  Imagine the hunger that is in Brady's gut?  If we could say it, a season for redemption from the disappointment of '07 which could not occur after Brady went down in game 1 of the '08 season?  Will the defense have more to prove?  Maroney, supposedly real healthy now, going to be the back we expected like the glimmer shown in the playoffs of '07?  All the possibilities, aren't they exciting?  The body slams we will experience from the trolls on this board and the body slams we give back!  OH, to be a PATS fan!!

     
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    Yeah, I'm excited for the season.  I'm hear in Southern California amongst a lot of Charger fans.  I hope to talk a lot of smack to them this year.  Luckily, there are two other Pats fans on my same block; all from the Northeast like myself. What are the odds... This season looks like it could be a better team than the 07 team "on paper".  Do not interpret that to mean I think they will go undefeated this year.  I think a lot of stars have to align to do that.  

    So while I am optimistic, we all learned last year that one play can ruin your day.  If the key players stay healthy, we're good.  If at least a few of the new guys turn out well, we're good.  If our rookie class doesn't pan out as we hope, or we take some big injuries, then all bets are off.  Despite the "IF's", I feel better going into this season than I have the past two seasons, and I felt pretty good going into the last 2 seasons.
     
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    Don't see how we are better than 2007.  Then we had 5 veteran linebackers, now we have one (and one part timer in Bruschi).  We had an all-pro LCB and a proven RCB, now we have two free agents who don't know the system, two second years, and a rookie.  We had one of the best SS of the decade then, now we have two FS, one of whom is average, the other is rising, and a rookie SS.  We had the same offense, but it was two years younger, and it had Dante Stallworth and Jabar Gaffney instead of Joey Galloway and whatshisname. 

    And Tom Brady wasn't coming off of major knee surgery.
     
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    The one good thing about '07 and the O we have now, is that in '07, Stallworth was not a good fit.. he fell through the cracks, in a manner of speaking. He didn't have a clearly defined role, being somewhere between deep field and slot. However I think BB got it right with Galloway, because he is a deep threat and will not be double-teamed since Moss will draw that. So now we have two deep threats and one slot threat which I think works better than one deep, one slot, and one intermediate.

    Also, I think the TE situation is better now because Baker is a competent blocker and a multiple threat option. We also have more vested competition at the other TE and whoever ends up there will be an asset one way or another.

    And yes, Brady is coming off surgery, but he has had an entire year off which means he is finally 100% where the rest of his body is concerned. His ankle has been giving him problem on and off.

     
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    Obviously we will have to see.  No doubt we improve from last year, but even though we didn't win the Super Bowl, the '07 team was one of the greatest ever. This team has great potential, especially if we get Greg Ellis, and I can't wait for football season.  
     
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    Don't see how we are better than 2007.  Then we had 5 veteran linebackers, now we have one (and one part timer in Bruschi).  We had an all-pro LCB and a proven RCB, now we have two free agents who don't know the system, two second years, and a rookie.  We had one of the best SS of the decade then, now we have two FS, one of whom is average, the other is rising, and a rookie SS.  We had the same offense, but it was two years younger, and it had Dante Stallworth and Jabar Gaffney instead of Joey Galloway and whatshisname.  And Tom Brady wasn't coming off of major knee surgery.
    Posted by themightypatriots
    what happen to the trust in BB?
     
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    "what happen to the trust in BB?"

    BB is the man, the best in the league, and he's done the best with what he's got.  It's not his fault that Willie, Ted, Tedy, Rodney, Rosie, and Mike got old.  He's found good talent to replace them, but the new talent ain't as good yet.  We're still better than every other team, but I'd rather put our 2007 defense (or 2003 or 2004, probably 2006) out there than this defense. 
     
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    Don't see how we are better than 2007.  Then we had 5 veteran linebackers, now we have one (and one part timer in Bruschi).  We had an all-pro LCB and a proven RCB, now we have two free agents who don't know the system, two second years, and a rookie.  We had one of the best SS of the decade then, now we have two FS, one of whom is average, the other is rising, and a rookie SS.  We had the same offense, but it was two years younger, and it had Dante Stallworth and Jabar Gaffney instead of Joey Galloway and whatshisname.  And Tom Brady wasn't coming off of major knee surgery.
    Posted by themightypatriots


    Good post
     
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    The one good thing about '07 and the O we have now, is that in '07, Stallworth was not a good fit.. he fell through the cracks, in a manner of speaking. He didn't have a clearly defined role, being somewhere between deep field and slot. However I think BB got it right with Galloway, because he is a deep threat and will not be double-teamed since Moss will draw that. So now we have two deep threats and one slot threat which I think works better than one deep, one slot, and one intermediate. Also, I think the TE situation is better now because Baker is a competent blocker and a multiple threat option. We also have more vested competition at the other TE and whoever ends up there will be an asset one way or another. And yes, Brady is coming off surgery, but he has had an entire year off which means he is finally 100% where the rest of his body is concerned. His ankle has been giving him problem on and off.
    Posted by patpscyho


    Baker stinks. He has virtually no yards after catch, and helped us out when with the JESTS by fumbling after the catch mor than once. When Ryan gives a guy away and Mangini doesn't want him (Mangini has every retread Ryan didn't keep), you know this guy is worthless.
     
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    Re: My, oh my, what do we have to look forward to?

    The one good thing about '07 and the O we have now, is that in '07, Stallworth was not a good fit.. he fell through the cracks, in a manner of speaking. He didn't have a clearly defined role, being somewhere between deep field and slot. However I think BB got it right with Galloway, because he is a deep threat and will not be double-teamed since Moss will draw that. So now we have two deep threats and one slot threat which I think works better than one deep, one slot, and one intermediate. Also, I think the TE situation is better now because Baker is a competent blocker and a multiple threat option. We also have more vested competition at the other TE and whoever ends up there will be an asset one way or another. And yes, Brady is coming off surgery, but he has had an entire year off which means he is finally 100% where the rest of his body is concerned. His ankle has been giving him problem on and off.
    Posted by patpscyho


    Also, Galloway is washed up. A finesse reciever who is old and lost his speed. Also has knee injuries. He may get cut. How this team is even remotely like 2007 escapes me.
     
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    Pats have also lost Josh Mcdaniel. OC of the offense in 2007.
    Someone has to create gameplans and call plays. And that someone will be unproven (Bill O' Brien ?)
     
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    Blowhard bob:Joey Galloway isn't a finesse player he's a burner!He was injured last season at TB so I don't know how effective he will be,but I'm pretty sure BB likes what he saw in the private workout he had before signing with the Patriots.As far as whatshisname is concerned Greg Lewis was a favorite reciever of McNabb in 2006 but fell out of favor someplace along the way.There are others who will vie for playing time at the WR spot you never know who's gonna come out of the pack and steal a spot.As for the TE's I'd say that Smith and Baker bring a much better blocking scheme as they both are noted blocking TE's,Baker is also a red zone threat.Other than these changes I'd say the only area that still needs to be addressed OLB/DE.I would still this team will be a very exciting offensive team.
     
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    Baker stinks. He has virtually no yards after catch, and helped us out when with the JESTS by fumbling after the catch mor than once. 
    Posted by BostonBobBlowhard


    Bostonbobblowjob,

    Before you open your mouth for something else than swallowing, you would do well to look up Baker's stats. He has zero fumbles, zero fumbles lost in 16 games for '08, and only one lost fumble in 3 seasons and 47 RS.
     
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    Also, Galloway is washed up. A finesse reciever who is old and lost his speed. Also has knee injuries. He may get cut. How this team is even remotely like 2007 escapes me.
    Posted by BostonBobBlowhard

    Bostonbobblowjob,

    There you go again, opening your ugly yap. Didn't your mother tell you to swallow before running your yap? Galloway still runs a 4.3 in the 40, and did so when he came up for Evals and physical at Gillette.

    Are you assuming the Patriots are so stupid they would sign him without testing his 40 time?

    His '08 stats don't tell the story because he lost playing time to a foot injury and eventually Bryant.
     
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    Also, Galloway is washed up. A finesse reciever who is old and lost his speed. Also has knee injuries. He may get cut. How this team is even remotely like 2007 escapes me.
    Posted by BostonBobBlowhard

    Wow, Bob, you must be a real fun guy to be around. Here we have a real upbeat post where everyone is expressing their excitement for the upcoming season and you jump right in, doing your best to rain on our parade with meaningless, uninformed, negative drivel.

    Given that your contributions are lame, weak and unsolicited, why don't you just keep them to your own miserable self?

     
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    I'm with unclealfie,

    I want to see more meaningul, informed, positive drivel.

    Cool
     
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    Re: My, oh my, what do we have to look forward to?

    Good post Z. 


    Stallworth never lived up to his potential.  I guess with Brady talent isn't as important as chemistry, and those two didn't have it.  A savy veteran like Galloway will probably do better with Brady, but his age makes him a huge question mark - can he last the season?  Still, we had Jabar as our #4, definitely better than Greg Lewis (that's his name right?) at #4. 


    Rodney was pretty good in 2007.  Maybe statistically he wasn't spectacular, but I remember him playing well.  And he had an interception against Jacksonville in the playoffs.  Don't forget he was an excellent anti-TE weapon.  Neither Merriweather nor Sanders replace Rodney's physical style of play, and Chung can't be counted on for anything as a rookie.


    Linebacker was by far better in 2007 - five of the decade's greats.  Rosie, Vrabel, Thomas, and Bruschi/Seau is far better than Thomas, Woods, Mayo, Bruschi/Guyton.  Mayo might be better than Bruschi was then, but I would take a fresh Seau in the fourth quarter of any game over Mayo.  And with Thomas filling the Ted Johnson role up the middle, Rosie and Vrabel were dynamite outside.  Our only proven starters this season are Thomas and Mayo.  2007 was definitely better. 


    We may be better at DL this season, if Seymour really is healthy.  A healthy Seymour, Green, Wilfork, Warren, Brace and Wright would be awesome all season.


    Samuel and a healthy Hobbs, with Gay backing them up, were a sure thing in the secondary.  We really have no idea how an old timer (Springs) and three youngins, and a 2007 ball-hog will perform.


    In short, I don't think there is anyone in their right mind who wouldn't take the 2007 team hands down over what we have today, D-Line notwithstanding.

     
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    Re: My, oh my, what do we have to look forward to?

    Another thing to consider, is the overall production from the RB position and the TE position compared to '07. Last Year we had one of the best rushing games in the NFL, averaging around 142 yards a game, true everyone is older now, but Tom brady is back meaning saftey's have to play back more, and if maroney comes back and stays healthy, as well as the addition of Taylor (who is a lot better than lamont jordan) we should be pretty good. The TE positon also got better. Smith and Baker are more proven blockers than Watson and Thomas (who did get better last year), but they also can do double duty as pass catchers, so they open up the ground game and can gets some receptions. Also from the TE you have to think someone like thomas or watson (more likely thomas, he has better hands) would be used more in a 4 wide set to give them a second option over the middle that is a little bit bigger (and so teams have to worry about him to not just welker in the slot). But we really need to wait for the season to unfold inorder to see what we have to look forward too.
     
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    Yes I remember teams said they targeted Rodney/Seau/Bruschi in the passing game in 2007 but it didn't work out too well for them if I recall.  The most we gave up in the regular season I think was 35 to the Jints, and that included a garbage time TD and a kickoff return. 


    Our guys now might be able to run faster and not get winded as quickly but that doesn't make them better football players.  Maybe in 3 years they will be better football players but I doubt it in 2009.  We'll see how they do.


    In other news, North Korea has the bomb.

     
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    Re: My, oh my, what do we have to look forward to?

    There are some valid arguments posted against thinking this year's team could surpass the 2007 team.  Hindsight is 20/20 though.  It's not like there were no serious question marks going into the 2007 season.  Let's rewind to the summer of 07 going up to kickoff:

    1. Who knew Welker was going to be such a stud?  Who the heck was he?
    2. I was "optimistic" about Moss, but certainly didn't "know" he would pan out the way he did.
    3. I didn't know Sammy would be as good as he is. (although lost in the Dallas game).
    4. Donte was a question mark.
    5. Seymour and Troy Brown had injuries and started the season on PUP.
    6. Harrison started the year with a 4 game suspension.
    7. Basically, Brady was starting out with "almost" a brand new group of receivers.
    8.  Would Samuel show up?  Would he be rusty if he did?

    It may be easy to look back and think anyone is crazy for feeling better about the team this year than in the summer of 07, but try to go back to what you were thinking that summer.  I can't say that they have more question marks this year than they did in 07.  I think our O "may" be as good as in 07, and I like our chances on D better than in 07.  Our D in 07 wasn't bad, but it wasn't anything that special either.  It was good, but not great.  Last year's D wasn't even good when it really mattered.  I'll place my bets that the D is improved this year, and maybe even better than in 07.  If I'm wrong I'll just eat some crow.  I keep crow seasoning handy for just such moments.
     
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    Re: My, oh my, what do we have to look forward to?

    Zeb,

    I actually think we will be better at WR than in 07.  I think people are really underrating how good Joey Galloway is because he's 37.  If he stays healthy which I don't think is a big stretch he should put up numbers in the ballpark of 55/800/6.

    2001- 16g   52/699/3
    2002- 16g   61/908/6
    2003- 15g   34/672/2
    2004- 10g   33/416/5
    2005- 16g   83/1287/10
    2006- 16g   62/1057/7
    2007- 15g   57/1014/6

    Thats 3 straight 1000 yard 6+ TD seasons going into an injury plagued season last year.  He still has his speed and injuries haven't been much of an issue for him 6 of his last 8 seasons.  Surely he will be as motivated as he ever has been. Since he has a legit chance at a ring, a chance to catch balls from TB, and a chance to be part of a historic offense.

    Also I was just having the 07 defense vs this years defense argument with a buddy.  I agree that this years defense should be better for all the reasons already mentioned.
     
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    Good post Z.  Stallworth never lived up to his potential.  I guess with Brady talent isn't as important as chemistry, and those two didn't have it.  A savy veteran like Galloway will probably do better with Brady, but his age makes him a huge question mark - can he last the season?  Still, we had Jabar as our #4, definitely better than Greg Lewis (that's his name right?) at #4.  Rodney was pretty good in 2007.  Maybe statistically he wasn't spectacular, but I remember him playing well.  And he had an interception against Jacksonville in the playoffs.  Don't forget he was an excellent anti-TE weapon.  Neither Merriweather nor Sanders replace Rodney's physical style of play, and Chung can't be counted on for anything as a rookie. Linebacker was by far better in 2007 - five of the decade's greats.  Rosie, Vrabel, Thomas, and Bruschi/Seau is far better than Thomas, Woods, Mayo, Bruschi/Guyton.  Mayo might be better than Bruschi was then, but I would take a fresh Seau in the fourth quarter of any game over Mayo.  And with Thomas filling the Ted Johnson role up the middle, Rosie and Vrabel were dynamite outside.  Our only proven starters this season are Thomas and Mayo.  2007 was definitely better.  We may be better at DL this season, if Seymour really is healthy.  A healthy Seymour, Green, Wilfork, Warren, Brace and Wright would be awesome all season. Samuel and a healthy Hobbs, with Gay backing them up, were a sure thing in the secondary.  We really have no idea how an old timer (Springs) and three youngins, and a 2007 ball-hog will perform. In short, I don't think there is anyone in their right mind who wouldn't take the 2007 team hands down over what we have today, D-Line notwithstanding.
    Posted by themightypatriots
    stallworth lived up to it,and then some.it may not have been there stat wise,but with his abilities,and threats.he drew the extra coverage to open up welker all day long,and at times leaveing moss one on one.
     
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    "incredibly weak offensive schedule"

    Come on Z, we both know that's bullflop.  We played the Colts, Chargers, Cowboys, Steelers, Eagles, Giants, even the Bengals and Browns had good offenses that year.  That is a very tough offensive schedule to say the least.

    "Ironically the best performance the defense had all season came in the Super Bowl. But even then, they were gassed at the end. Just like in 06."

    I would say our near shutouts against the Bills and Skins were better.  And in the playoffs we held the Chargers to 12 and the Jaguars to what, 17?  And we weren't gassed in the Super Bowl.  It took the Giants a minute and 40 seconds to go less than 30 yards, then a miracle happened.  Then they picked Merriweather, and then an injured Ellis Hobbs was left on an island against Plaxico Burress, waiting for an in-cut.  Being gassed had nothing to do with it.  

    You believe the youth and athleticism of our new defense make us better than 2007.  But you are forgetting the lesson Bruce Campbell tried to teach us in between timeouts during the 2006 season:  Experience.  If you don't have it, people just seem to know.
     
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    Yep, and if Samuels had held on to that interception it would have been game over.  But he dropped it.  I can't help but think that there was some kinda busted coverage on the Burress' TD.  Why Hobbs would bite to an inside cut without some support didn't make sense to me.  If you're one on one you keep the man in front of you.

    The defensive backfield has a nice blend of youth and experience.  I would like to think it will be better.  The only thing I see missing is the leadership of Harrison, whose skills diminished or not at the time, is going to be truely missed. 

    Does it mean anything to the nay sayers that Galloway is going to be the #3 WR?  I don't believe the Pats are asking a whole lot from the guy.  Galloway being cut is just plain silly.

    If any arguement should stand my guess it would be the pass rush.  Vrabel had a good year.  I guess it will be a rotation of Banta-Cain and Crable for pass rushing now.  This does not make me comfortable.  I sure would like to see Thomas moved to the rushing side but he does fill so many other LB roles.
     
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    Re: My, oh my, what do we have to look forward to?

    Garytx, one think you hvae to consider about the pass rush is that because the DB should be better, than we get more coverage sacks, and someone like Banta cain can really tool on Qb if he has enough time. I think Crable will become a soild contributor this year, at the very least as a rusher.
     
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