New England Patriots - State of The Union

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    This year's defense is ranked even further down the list in sacks than last year's team at this point, blaming only the secondary for the defensive woes is simply wrong.  Yeah Jones may look individually impressive but that's about it.

    It's funny how we roll out more three man fronts against the Rams; get 2 sacks, 2 INT's and 2 fumbles, Bradford only throws for 244 yards and the Rams only score 7 points but the secondary gets zero kudos?  When the front plays well, the secondary looks good.

    The good news is that we're ranked 12th in points allowed and rank #1 in turnovers which is better than where we ended last year and they seem to be improving.  

    It's short sighted to blame the secondary for decisions made by Belichick to run soft cover two zones.  Yes they've given up big plays they shouldn't have, but more often because nobody is getting any pressure up front and if you give even an average NFL QB all day to throw they will make plays.




    That is a fair arguement and I do believe in part your right but it can't all be scheme and coaching when it comes to the amount of 30+ yard completions they've given up.

    The front 7 is beastly so I have to blame the secondary some.



    The front seven gets pressure only if they rush seven, six, five... when they rush 4 they only get a sack if it's a coverage sack and that's not fair to lay at the feet of the secondary because it's happened way too often.

     

     
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    This year's defense is ranked even further down the list in sacks than last year's team at this point, blaming only the secondary for the defensive woes is simply wrong.  Yeah Jones may look individually impressive but that's about it.

    It's funny how we roll out more three man fronts against the Rams; get 2 sacks, 2 INT's and 2 fumbles, Bradford only throws for 244 yards and the Rams only score 7 points but the secondary gets zero kudos?  When the front plays well, the secondary looks good.

    The good news is that we're ranked 12th in points allowed and rank #1 in turnovers which is better than where we ended last year and they seem to be improving.  

    It's short sighted to blame the secondary for decisions made by Belichick to run soft cover two zones.  Yes they've given up big plays they shouldn't have, but more often because nobody is getting any pressure up front and if you give even an average NFL QB all day to throw they will make plays.




    That is a fair arguement and I do believe in part your right but it can't all be scheme and coaching when it comes to the amount of 30+ yard completions they've given up.

    The front 7 is beastly so I have to blame the secondary some.



    The front seven gets pressure only if they rush seven, six, five... when they rush 4 they only get a sack if it's a coverage sack and that's not fair to lay at the feet of the secondary because it's happened way too often.

     




    I don't know if it's because they are young and BB doesn't want to put to much on there plate but I would love to see some exotic 5 or 6 man blitzes. confusing qb's instead of this vanilla 4 man rush we see so often..

     
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    This year's defense is ranked even further down the list in sacks than last year's team at this point.




    I don;t think that is the case. It's basically even as compared to last year.



    You're correct, but it's still not impressive being middle of the NFL in sacks...

     
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    The Pats D leads the NFL in that category.  They basically average 2 turnovers per game. Nink was robbed for one more on Sunday on an incorrect call.




    They had 2+ To's per game last year too.  The difference between the ranking this year is that the O  leads the league in the least GIVE AWAYS, which makes the total ranking higher.

    They do have more forced fumbles this year, which is great.  But less picks, I believe.

     
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    This year's defense is ranked even further down the list in sacks than last year's team at this point, blaming only the secondary for the defensive woes is simply wrong.  Yeah Jones may look individually impressive but that's about it.

    It's funny how we roll out more three man fronts against the Rams; get 2 sacks, 2 INT's and 2 fumbles, Bradford only throws for 244 yards and the Rams only score 7 points but the secondary gets zero kudos?  When the front plays well, the secondary looks good.

    The good news is that we're ranked 12th in points allowed and rank #1 in turnovers which is better than where we ended last year and they seem to be improving.  

    It's short sighted to blame the secondary for decisions made by Belichick to run soft cover two zones.  Yes they've given up big plays they shouldn't have, but more often because nobody is getting any pressure up front and if you give even an average NFL QB all day to throw they will make plays.




    That is a fair arguement and I do believe in part your right but it can't all be scheme and coaching when it comes to the amount of 30+ yard completions they've given up.

    The front 7 is beastly so I have to blame the secondary some.



    The front seven gets pressure only if they rush seven, six, five... when they rush 4 they only get a sack if it's a coverage sack and that's not fair to lay at the feet of the secondary because it's happened way too often.

     




    I don't know if it's because they are young and BB doesn't want to put to much on there plate but I would love to see some exotic 5 or 6 man blitzes. confusing qb's instead of this vanilla 4 man rush we see so often..



    The closer we get to playoff football the more we'll see, the more beef BB will put on the field.

     
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    This year's defense is ranked even further down the list in sacks than last year's team at this point.




    I don;t think that is the case. It's basically even as compared to last year.



    You're correct, but it's still not impressive being middle of the NFL in sacks...



    Well, I think they can improve on that. I don't disagree that middle of the pack is impressive, but can we at least agree this D Line is held beyond belief too?  The holding is insane against this front line. We don't see the same rate of jersey grabbing and armbarring, for example, with our O Line by comparison.

    I am actually watching this game again right now and they could have easily had 2 more sacks in this game.  I see it in every game, as a matter of fact.   Again, not an excuse. In general, I'll judge this at the end of the year anyway.

    They are deeper and better in this area than they were last year, IMO. JOnes is what Carter was, Anderson really only got late game sacks, so I expect an improvement here from a bulk of people in the second half.

    Keep in mind, flushing QBs for the ball to be unloaded earlier works just as well.




    Qb hurries is all you can ask for and collapsing the pocket is just as important as a sack.

     
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    When we place Vince, Love and Deaderick along the line, have Jones and Ninck outside at OLB and let them attack, they absolutely swarm whoever is across from them.  

    Belichick is playing soft zones, expecting his secondary (now young secondary) to keep plays in front of them, but until he fully commits the man power on every down they'll never be completely overwhelming like San Fran or Baltimore... and this probably won't happen, at least until the playoffs if at all.  

    He lets his offense wins games and uses his defense situationally and sparingly.  Bend dont break, stinks for the casual fan but it is what it is...

     
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    I don't understand why he would only use it sparingly when it is much more effective.. Perhaps he doesn't want to much tape out there? But then that don't make sense.. You want your defense to be as dominating as possible..

     
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    I don't understand why he would only use it sparingly when it is much more effective.. Perhaps he doesn't want to much tape out there? But then that don't make sense.. You want your defense to be as dominating as possible..



    Less predictable, less wear and tear, we have less money invested in the defense.  When the stakes are higher expect more of an investment of resources.  Crazy as it sounds this league is becoming more offense driven, this is a result of that.

     
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    Swap the scores for QB and RB, knock the entire D down half a grade, then you would have it about right.

     
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    Thanks for the post Hotblitz, I'd pretty much agree with all of your grades. Good post.

     
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    Midway point, bye week and time to regroup and get healthy....

    Our beloved Pats are a respectable 5-3. Maybe not where most thought they'd be or predicted at the beginning of the year but I for one think these close games are absolute character builders.

    A quick grade from my perspective on each position...

    QB'S - B+

    I believe although there have been many bright spots in TB12's play and lots of flashes as to who we all know he is and can be he has definitely got to find a way down the stretch in games to bring that killer instinct back to his arsenal. The Jet's game was a nice couple of drives at the end of regulation and overtime to put me at ease a bit and realize he does still have it in him.

    Tom Brady 209/320 2,408 yards, 65% 16td 3int 100.6 qbr...

    Pretty impressive by the numbers and maybe I graded a little low but to me I want to see him find a way to get those tough first downs late in games. All in all very nice statistics and a solid first half to build on.

    RB'S - A-

    Love the production this year. I really don't have any complaints here. Everyone seems to fill a role nicely with Ridley kind of taking a lead role and probably alot more Vereen in the second half as opposed to the first 8.

    Stevan Ridley 150 carries, 716 yrds, 4.8 per, 5 td's

    Brandon Bolden  43, 214, 5.4, 2 td's

    Danny Woodhead 48, 164, 3.4, 1 td

    Shane Vereen 17, 72, 4.2, 2 td's

    Like I said this area is a big positive this year. The only reason a higher grade wasn't given is because against the stout defensive teams we can't seem to pound it or just line up when the game is in crunch time and be able to run it down our opponent's throat. I don't think this team will ever be that way as we seem to use the pass to set up the run which in turn sets up playaction as opposed to just run, run, run to set up the passing game. That however is nitpicking. Two thumbs up for this group in my opinion.

    Oline - B+

    Nate Soldier has done extremely well in filling in some big shoes. He continues to progess and when it's all said and done Brady will have had his blind side protected by to probowlers over the course of his career. Some may say that grade is to high but in my opinion given all the injuries this group has sustained over the course of 8 games I feel with all the shuffling constantly that they've done quite well. Is it just me or is Logan Mankins expendable? I don't think they miss him all that much and it seems just from my viewpoint that they've run the ball better when he's out. Connolly, Wendell, Mcdonald all coming along thanks to having the best Oline coach in the business. Last but not least I wasn't expecting it but Seabass has been healthy and effective which is awesome for this team, almost vital. Let's hope this unit gets healthy and gain some continuity and can finish even better then it started.

    WR's + TE'S - B+

    No one can expect the Gronk to have the same season as last year. However although beat up he has produced and been vital to this offense and is on pace for another probowl year. Folks if this continues we could be witnessing the best tight end in history not even hit his prime yet. SCARY. The YAC Man A. Hernandez has been crippled with a high ankle sprain throughout most of the season so far but the bye should help greatly and with him back 100% which he hasn't been this offense can only get better, which also is very scary.

    Once again TB's binkie WW is the man. You know there's a part of me that says I wish BB would go against his better judgement and pay the man whatever it takes. God love Wes. I know I do. He's incredible, durable, dependable and once again the best slot receiver in the league (Percy Harvin may have something to say about that). What more to say about him? Amen. B Lloyd has been controversial among this board from what I can tell. I've gone against popular opinion and said/posted he is what I've wanted him to be and what Ocho couldn't be. Aside from a few drops I believe he's been good and will totally hit his stride down the stretch. Branch, Edelman, Fells, and now maybe Shiancoe aren't a bad supporting cast and anything we get out of those guys would be a nice bonus...

    W. Welker 60 rec, 736 yrds, 12.3 per, 2 td's

    R. Gronkowski 43, 580, 13.5, 7 td's

    B. Lloyd 37, 435, 11.8, 3 td's

    D. Woodhead 19, 200, 10.5, 1 td

    A. Hernandez 17, 143, 8.4, 2 td's

    J. Edelman 13, 100, 7.7, 1 td

     

    The rest are under 10 catches and a bonus for whatever we get out of them receiving. If the yac man gets healthy and productive this unit will continue to boatrace the rest of the league. Two thumbs up here.

     

    Dline - A-

    Again this unit is led by our leader on D big Vince. I personally like this unit. I don't think the fact there is not always pressure is their fault. BB aside from the Rams game refused to bring more then a 4man rush which is tough on any line. Chandler Jones is the man is in line for DROY in my opinion. Let's hope he doesn''t hit that rookie wall cause we are going to need him big time down the stretch. I love his array of moves and if the zebra's called any holding on opposing teams this unit would get much more credit then it does. Perhaps most improved player on the entire roster has to be Rob Ninkovich. This guy does it all and is more then servicable. I felt early in the year when he was at end he wasn't doing much but I'll eat some crow caue this guy is producing.

    C. Jones 33 tackles, 6 sacks, 3 ff,

    R. Ninkovich 27, 4, 4

    V. Wilfork 22, 0, 0

    J. Cunningham 14, 1.5, 0

    K. Love 18, 1.5, 0

    Againn this unit can only get better. When I look I only see upside and thats without the rose coloured glasses. Good Job boys..

     

    LB'S - B

    On paper this unit is as stout as it gets around the league. Verse the run they deserve an A maybe even A+. However verse the pass I would give them a C and I think that's fair. B. Spikes is the man at shooting the gap. I love the way he hits and he totally has a knack for making big plays. Dude is a top 3 ILB in the Afc. However he is not good at all against the pass. In fact I would say he is a Liability. I wish BB would put Mayo and either Nink or Donta in nickel packages but if you watch Spikes is often in there in thos situations and all 3 downs. I own 2 different J. Mayo jerseys so ya I'm a little biased there. I think everyone know's who he is by now. A tackling machine, dependable, serviceable in coverage and every now and then can make a big play. Love the move to outside and think he should blitz more. Donta looks promising and I think he will be a serious gamer. The book is still out but to me he definitely passes the eye test. His speed is unreal when you consider how big he looks.

    J. Mayo 79 tackles, 1 sack, 3 ff

    B. Spikes 50, 1, 3

    D. Hightower 25, 2, 0

    This unit is young, ferocious and the heartbeat of this D. Let's hope for the consistent progression into becoming the dominant force we all envision. I mean let's face it, if these three guys max out on their potential we could be looking at something really special. Ravenesque when they had Ray, Sharper, Boulware. I don't think I'm overstating. While Spikes will never be Ray the other two have a chance at being better then the ravens other two. Certainly top three in the league right now in my opinion.

    Secondary - C-

    I think that grade is accurate. I may get ripped for it but this is the weakest unit on the team. Between Injuries and ineptitude this group is in constant flux and can't get any cohesiveness going. Dmac in my opinion is better at free safety. Better then Gregory too. We need some sort of constant and him there is a good start. If Chung can get/stay healthy he can be our SS and that group's energy guy. He can come up in the box and play that role. Dennard is this group's bright spot. I say forget zone which is a bad look for this team and let our young kid's play man. The results can't be any worse. The deep passes and record shattering amount of 30+ completions needs to stop in order for this team to make a deep playoff run. Hopefully T. Wilson can improve and the game can slow down for him sooner then later and that would help alot. We need whoever plays the other corner and star position's to be at least serviceable for the rest of the year and into the playoffs. If Arrington is going to play anywhere it should be in the slot.

    D. MCcourty 38 tackles, 0 sacks, 2 int's, 0 FF

    K. Arrington 31, 0, 0, 0

    T. Wilson 28, 0, 3, 3

    P. Chung 26, 0, 0, 0

    S. Gregory 14, 0, 1, 0

    S. Moore 13, 0, 0, 1

    A. Dennard 10, 0, 2, 0

    Again if this unit gets any better our chances for a title are amazing in my opinion. I believe I believe.

     

    Special teams - A

    Alot of people don't like ghost but his kicks against the not yet's are a great confidence booster for him and a good sign for this team. Let's not forget guys, no one will ever be Adam V. in the clutch again so ghost isn't a bad consolation prize considering what's floating around the league.

    Punters are people too you know. Z. Mesko is awesome. A good person and a fantastic punter when called upon imo.

    Kick returns are good so long as dmac doesn't fumble. It would have been awesome if Jeff Demps never got IR'ed.

    Edelman and WW seem to have been doing alright on punt returns so nothing more on that front.

    S. Gostowski 17-20

    Z. Mesko 30 punts 42.0 avg.

     

    Offensive coordinator- B

    Defensive coordinator- C

     

    Hey guys just a little fun thing I wanted to do for the board so you all could discuss amongst eachother. Whether I agree or disagree with you as posters i appreciate the fact you are all Pats fans and in that way we are all tied together.

    I would love your input as to what you all think as to what's unfolded and what will happen. Thanks for taking the time to read and don't rip me to much. : )

     



    i love it. thank you for all those thoughts and evals.

    especially eval of d backfield. dont like arrington on field. mcc only at safety.

    cole and dowling injured. so who plays other corner..... its not good.

    a faliure in the gm dept.

     
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    Re: New England Patriots - State of The Union

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    I'd give Brady an A HOTBLITZ.  There are many factors that come into play when evaluating a QB. Weather, play calling, refs, execution: blocking and route running and coaching to name some.  There are lots of moving parts that impact the final result of every snap, most of which are outside the QB's control.  That said my A is based on the fact Brady either leads or is at the top of every positive related QB stat.

     

     




    I think that's fair.. and although the D cant close out games you could also argue when the going gets tough this year and we need that first down late in a game we haven't gotten it. Whether it be TB or playcalling, I don't know but that's the reason I didn't give him the A.

     

    Surely his stats look awesome.



    playcalling off stalling in several games i put on josh

     
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    Thanks for the read and replies all of you including the ones overnight that I haven't replied to cause of sleep, (Babe, Sporter, Bobby, Bredbru).


    I must admit  and now I feel the need to address it after reading your replies and my own analysis that I sort of copped out at the end of my original post by only grading our Coaching, offensive and defensive and not making a little comment as I did for the rest of the team.

    Considering I do believe now that if we have any problem's which every team does I think this teams may be playcalling on both sides of the ball. I mean being coordinators seems to be a job that no matter what your never going to make everyone happy but I feel at critical times the playcalling has failed on many counts, maybe moreso on offense late in games wherever the defensive woes can't really be pinned on one specific unit even though I love bashing the secondary..lol

    Running the ball when they should be passing it and vice versa or being in the shotgun when 12 should be under center or the defense sending 4 when clearly (see rams game)  they should be sending more or teaching our dbacks to turn their collective heads when the ball is in the air is just as if not more important then execution itself.

    So IMO the coaching in those regards could be alot better alot and when that happens we will see a bump in grades for the rest of the team. Thx.

     
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    The Patriots are the best. BB doesn't need to make any changes.  Anyone who disagrees is a NY Jets troll, because that's all I know how to say.




    Not sure who you are trying to mock but it's not really funny and every thread I see you on your never adding anything to the discussion..

     
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    The second half will be a good test with Houston, SF and an improved Miami team still to play.

     
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    The second half will be a good test with Houston, SF and an improved Miami team still to play.




    Miami twice concerns me for sure. Obvi Houston and SF will pretty much tell the tale of where this team stands. Beating the Texans seems to be the most important if we want to get a bye in wild card weekend a victory there would ensure it.

     
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    When we place Vince, Love and Deaderick along the line, have Jones and Ninck outside at OLB and let them attack, they absolutely swarm whoever is across from them.  

    Belichick is playing soft zones, expecting his secondary (now young secondary) to keep plays in front of them, but until he fully commits the man power on every down they'll never be completely overwhelming like San Fran or Baltimore... and this probably won't happen, at least until the playoffs if at all.  

    He lets his offense wins games and uses his defense situationally and sparingly.  Bend dont break, stinks for the casual fan but it is what it is...




    Woz, bend but dont break is predicated on the opposing offense to run a lot of plays which in turn will result in miscues. This will work if the opposing team makes mistakes(see M Sanchez) or the Pats dont give up the quick TD. (see Seahawks/Ravens).

    Against a team such as San Fran, which does not make a lot of mistakes, this defense will be vulnerable to the quick score deep, and the dink and dunk west coast no mistake offense.

    You mention "commit the man power"...but against the Rams, the Pats were playing the entire game with a 10 man defense, with McCourty playing 25 yards deep and out of most every play. That day against the Rams, the PAts were able to get away with it.

     
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    From Damian Woody in an ESPN article today:

    "Coach [Bill] Belichick always used to say, 'I don't give a s--- about our defense giving up yards; all I care about is scoring defense, turnovers and the red zone,'" Woody said. "That's really the key to football. A lot of coaches pound their chest and say, 'I've got the No. 1 defense.'

    "That number doesn't mean anything."

     
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