New take on Tebow

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    New take on Tebow

    My son pointed this out to me and it makes sense.  There are now quite a few teams out there with highly mobile qbs who like to run more than pass.  There are even two in our division.  Using Tebow as the scout QB all week gives our defense a chance to practice against a real QB playing that positioninstead of a db playing that position in practice

    In the meantime, if they can get him to correct his throwing motion and to look for pass first before running, he might develop into a good QB over time.  Remember, he will only be 27 in 2017.  One thing to remember is that the guy *is* a winner and he *is* big.  he won't get a single snap this season in a game unless (I hate to even say this) Brady goes down and Mallet sucks wind.

    So, all in all, I think BB made a great move -- if only for paragraph #1 above.

     
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    Re: New take on Tebow

    Yeah I agree with you on this one. He's a good man with some decent values, however, it is a small % of snaps he actually sees during the regular season. Maybe as an HB.

     
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    Re: New take on Tebow

    Practice squad roster spots are also important, if he wants to become a QB he should go prove it in Canada first like everyone else who needed to.

     
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    Re: New take on Tebow

    In response to BurtonMercer's comment:

    Why can''t they just put him on the PS at the end of camp? If no one wants him, just bury him there and then see if he progresses by next year when they'll likely deal Mallett.

     




    Here is why:

    Practice Squad Eligibility

    According to league policy, only certain types of players are allowed to sign to the practice squad. Players cannot have played more than nine regular season games or been on the active roster for an entire year, nor can players be allowed to spend more than two seasons on the same team’s squad unless that team’s active roster never dips below 53 players.

     

    He was 7-4 with Denver so that meets condition #1 (my bolding, underline and italicizing).  The second one is ambiguous because the word "the" doesn't indicate whether it is any team's active roster or the particular team's active roster.  He would meet the first but not the second meaning.  In any event, he is ineligible to be on the practice squad.


    I got this by Googling and wound up at:

    http://www.steeleraddicts.com/nfl-practice-squad-eligibility-rules/#.UbiQUZzit1Y

     
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    Re: New take on Tebow

    In response to wozzy's comment:

    Practice squad roster spots are also important, if he wants to become a QB he should go prove it in Canada first like everyone else who needed to.




    You drifted from my point of being the scout squad QB to just putting a knock on Tebow.  There are enough threads here about that.  How about keeping this thread on track and discuss the scout team QB idea?

     
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    Re: New take on Tebow

    In response to sheldong's comment:

    In response to BurtonMercer's comment:

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    Why can''t they just put him on the PS at the end of camp? If no one wants him, just bury him there and then see if he progresses by next year when they'll likely deal Mallett.

     

     




    Here is why:

     

    Practice Squad Eligibility

    According to league policy, only certain types of players are allowed to sign to the practice squad. Players cannot have played more than nine regular season games or been on the active roster for an entire year, nor can players be allowed to spend more than two seasons on the same team’s squad unless that team’s active roster never dips below 53 players.

     

    He was 7-4 with Denver so that meets condition #1 (my bolding, underline and italicizing).  The second one is ambiguous because the word "the" doesn't indicate whether it is any team's active roster or the particular team's active roster.  He would meet the first but not the second meaning.  In any event, he is ineligible to be on the practice squad.


    I got this by Googling and wound up at:

    http://www.steeleraddicts.com/nfl-practice-squad-eligibility-rules/#.UbiQUZzit1Y

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    Thank you, was just about to post this

     
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    Re: New take on Tebow

    In response to sheldong's comment:

    In response to wozzy's comment:

     

    Practice squad roster spots are also important, if he wants to become a QB he should go prove it in Canada first like everyone else who needed to.

     




    You drifted from my point of being the scout squad QB to just putting a knock on Tebow.  There are enough threads here about that.  How about keeping this thread on track and discuss the scout team QB idea?

     

    So you want to use one of the 53 roster spots on a scout QB? Most teams when preparing for a team with a multi threat QB will use a WR/RB or a similar type athlete/player to emulate the speed and quickness of the oppositions QB.

    I certainly don't think BB will keep him on the roster just for that reason. If he does then i may have to turn in my Homer card.

     
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    Re: New take on Tebow

    In response to sheldong's comment:

    In response to wozzy's comment:
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    Practice squad roster spots are also important, if he wants to become a QB he should go prove it in Canada first like everyone else who needed to.

     




    You drifted from my point of being the scout squad QB to just putting a knock on Tebow.  There are enough threads here about that.  How about keeping this thread on track and discuss the scout team QB idea?

     

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    there is no such thing as "scout squad". as Wozzy said, it is "practice squad" which has limited spots, and TT does not qualify for a spot due to his career games on a roster.

    If Pats wanted to practice against a mobile QB they could easily sign a free agent that played run and shoot in college for practice squad money, and leave the circus behind

     
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    Re: New take on Tebow

    In response to rkarp's comment:
    there is no such thing as "scout squad". as Wozzy said, it is "practice squad" which has limited spots, and TT does not qualify for a spot due to his career games on a roster.

     

    If Pats wanted to practice against a mobile QB they could easily sign a free agent that played run and shoot in college for practice squad money, and leave the circus behind

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    Ok, "scout team".  IOW, the QB they use in practice against the starting defense.  Also, would that free agent be anywhere near as good as playing against an actual winning NFL QB?   Also, he could fill in on other roles on the team.

     
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    Re: New take on Tebow

    In response to wozzy's comment:

    Practice squad roster spots are also important, if he wants to become a QB he should go prove it in Canada first like everyone else who needed to.




    As apparently should Luck right?

     
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    Re: New take on Tebow

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    As apparently should Luck right?



    Luck had an up and down rookie year, but your comparisons to Tebow are incredibly shallow.  In order to be a NFL QB you need to be able to throw the ball.  Tebow has not demonstrated he can do that.  Luck has.  End of story.  Whether Luck takes the next step and becomes the QB he is expected to be is a separate issue that has yet to be determined, but the potential is clearly there.  Consider that the 2011 Patriots defense completely humiliated Tebow in the playoffs.  The same defense that you criticized relentlessly for sucking the entire season completely owned him.  That is what happens in the NFL when you can't throw the ball from the QB position.

     

     
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    Re: New take on Tebow

    I saw a poster on ESPN say the samething about using Tebow as a scout QB.  BB will get 100% out of his players, and if that's how he contributes, then so be it. 

     
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    Re: New take on Tebow

    In response to pcmIV's comment:

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:

     

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    As apparently should Luck right?

     



    Luck had an up and down rookie year, but your comparisons to Tebow are incredibly shallow.  In order to be a NFL QB you need to be able to throw the ball.

     

     

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    I'll agree Luck has demonstrated he can throw the ball better than Tebow.....

     

    To the other team.

     

    What is shallow is the anal negative hype Tebow gets from self appointed experts and so called experts. Judge the man on what he has actually accomplished on the field, and he is FAR removed from the condemnation he garners.

    Basically, we're talking mindless NFL drama queen BS when talking Tebow. But that's okay, since 75% of football talk around here is that anyway.

     

     
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    Re: New take on Tebow

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    Except it's not correct.  Tebow is not on Denver or NY. That rule is for when a player plays a minumum of 9 games one year, and then the next year is attempted to be buried on the PS on the SAME TEAM.

    Unless, I am reading that wrong.  Read the whole sentence.  The reason why previous veterans don't get hidden on PSs is because they have value in terms of depth with that experience so there is no point in putting a depth veteran on PS since other teams could use a that kind of a player. This is a very unusual circumstance with Tebow. He's a step away from thw CFL or choosing a new career where no other team wanted to take him on due to his menchanical problems and the baggage.

     



    While the language in what you were responding to is ambiguous I believe the actual rule specifies that any player that has any accrued NFL seasons on any team's NFL roster is not eligibile for the PS.

     

     
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    Re: New take on Tebow

    While that's certainly not enough to keep him around as roster spots are far too valuable to allocate for just a "scout team" position, it will most certainly be one of his job duties should he be kept on. 

     
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    Re: New take on Tebow

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    While that's certainly not enough to keep him around as roster spots are far too valuable to allocate for just a "scout team" position, it will most certainly be one of his job duties should he be kept on. 




    What is so valuable about roster spots for a mediocre team - plus Brady with a great HC? Because that's what you have.

     
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    Re: New take on Tebow

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    I'll agree Luck has demonstrated he can throw the ball better than Tebow.....

     

    To the other team.

     

    What is shallow is the anal negative hype Tebow gets from self appointed experts and so called experts. Judge the man on what he has actually accomplished on the field, and he is FAR removed from the condemnation he garners.

    Basically, we're talking mindless NFL drama queen BS when talking Tebow. But that's okay, since 75% of football talk around here is that anyway.

     




    I could care less about Tebow's religious beliefs.  The fact remains that if you watched any of Indy's games last year Luck was asked to make lots of advanced intermediate and down the field throws as part of Arians' system.  On the Broncos they had to completely remake the entire offense to accommodate the fact that he couldn't throw the ball consistently.  In 8 of the games Tebow started they scored under 20 points yet they won 5 of them.  They won a game where he only completed 2 passes and 2 more games where he completed under 10.  That is not a recipe for sustainable success in the NFL.  If you put Tebow on the Colts (who didn't have a RB like McGahee) and an inferior defense they don't make the playoffs.  Luck was asked to do more than Tebow.  The Broncos tried to hide his deficiencies as a passer with a gimmick offense which the Patriots D exposed on National Television.  They are nowhere near comparable despite your attempts to do so with a few choice stats.

     

     
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    Re: New take on Tebow

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    Luck had an up and down rookie year,

     

    RESPONSE: Luck had an "up and down rookie year"?? Are you serious? This kid was fabulous, for a rookie. He certainly had a better rookie season than his horse-faced predecessor!! The guy took a 2-14 team, and led them to an 11-5 record, and into the play-offs. An outstanding year, especially since it was his first season.  

    but your comparisons to Tebow are incredibly shallow.  In order to be a NFL QB you need to be able to throw the ball.  Tebow has not demonstrated he can do that.  Luck has.  End of story.

    RESPONSE: Tebow has a strong arm. Accuracy, and a bit of a slow delivery, are his  issues. Though we rarely agree on anything, there's no doubt that Luck is the better player.

      Whether Luck takes the next step and becomes the QB he is expected to be is a separate issue that has yet to be determined, but the potential is clearly there.  Consider that the 2011 Patriots defense completely humiliated Tebow in the playoffs.  The same defense that you criticized relentlessly for sucking the entire season completely owned him.  That is what happens in the NFL when you can't throw the ball from the QB position.

    RESPONSE:Tebow may be getting a bum rap. He turned around a terrible team, that was off to a 1-4 start...and led them to respectability, and the play-offs. Here's an interesting take on Tebow: http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/the-case-for-tim-tebow-nfl-quarterback/23046/

     

     

     




     

     
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    Re: New take on Tebow

    New England Patriots: Pick Six   Jun 11th, 2013 at 8:54 pm by Hal Bent featured            

    With so much going on in New England with the Patriots kicking off mandatory mini-camp with all things Tim Tebow, a review of all the news with analysis is necessary. The Patriots Pick Six will succinctly address six key points in a quick-hit style.

    Jun 11, 2013; Foxborough, MA, USA; The media surround New England Patriots quarterback Tim Tebow following Minicamp at Gillette Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Stew Milne-USA TODAY Sports

    1. With all the Tebow-mania and hysteria over the past 24 hours with the signing of controversial quarterback Tim Tebow by the New England Patriots, two important questions that come to mind are “Does he have practice squad eligibility?” and “Is there any guaranteed money (salary cap hit) with his contract?”

    Unfortunately, based upon games played and time on active roster per the NFL rules, the Patriots do not have the option of stashing quarterback Tim Tebow on the practice squad. This is unfortunate for the Patriots and Tebow, as that would be the best spot for him at this time. The Patriots would have to carry him on the 53 man roster in order to keep him around and work with Offensive Coordinator Josh McDaniels.

    Reports from the Associated Press seen this morning indicate that the two-year deal Tebow inked with the Patriots is for the veteran’s minimum with incentives, but no bonus money. In essence, he is a risk-free signing in terms of salary cap impact. The Patriots can release him at any time and suffer no adverse effects to their cap. The risk then, becomes the resultant media circus, but Tebow must be motivated to fall in line and limit self-promotion, and no one shuts down the locker room like coach Bill Belichick.

     
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