NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61)

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    NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61)

    Just happened to turn this on, and I saw that they had Randy Moss ranked at #65, which I thought was low for him, and then saw Ladainlan Tomlinson ranked at #61. I won't deny that for about a 5 year stretch, Tomlinson was probably the best back in the league....

    But how is he better than possibly the 2nd best receiver of all time?

    Stats are below. Thoughts?


    Randy Moss #65
    SeasonTeam ReceivingRushingFumbles
    GGSRecYdsAvgLngTDAttYdsAvgLngTDFUMLost
    2010 New England Patriots 3 2 913915.435T3--------------
    2009 New England Patriots 16 16 831,26415.271T13----------21
    2008 New England Patriots 16 16 691,00814.676T11200.02032
    2007 New England Patriots 16 16 981,49315.265T23--------------
    2006 Oakland Raiders 13 13 4255313.2513--------------
    2005 Oakland Raiders 16 15 601,00516.8798--------------
    2004 Minnesota Vikings 13 13 4976715.782T13----------11
    2003 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 1111,63214.772176183.011011
    2002 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 1061,34712.76076518.525011
    2001 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 821,23315.073T1033812.7180----
    2000 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 771,43718.778T15351.79020
    1999 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 801,41317.767T1144310.815033
    1998 Minnesota Vikings 16 11 691,31319.061T17144.04021
    TOTAL93514,60415.682151--1590.02501510

    Tomlinson #61
    SeasonTeam RushingReceivingFumbles
    GGSAttYdsAvgLngTDRecYdsAvgLngTDFUMLost
    2010 New York Jets 3 1 372085.63119606.790----
    2009 San Diego Chargers 14 14 2237303.33612201547.736022
    2008 San Diego Chargers 16 16 2921,1103.84511524268.232110
    2007 San Diego Chargers 16 16 3151,4744.74915604757.9363----
    2006 San Diego Chargers 16 16 3481,8155.285T28565089.151T321
    2005 San Diego Chargers 16 16 3391,4624.36218513707.341231
    2004 San Diego Chargers 15 15 3391,3353.94217534418.374T162
    2003 San Diego Chargers 16 16 3131,6455.373T131007257.373T420
    2002 San Diego Chargers 16 16 3721,6834.57614794896.230131
    2001 San Diego Chargers 16 16 3391,2363.65410593676.227085
    TOTAL--12,6980.0851395394,0157.474152712
     
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    Re: NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61)

    Thats a travesty against Moss, 65th? Are they serious? the guy was on two of the most prolific offenses in the league (98 Vikings and 07 Patriots) and i dont think thats coincidence. He basically always commands double coverage which leaves other receivers open for big plays, not many other receivers can do that. He has changed the game in his yrs and and has 150 td's.... second in history.
    65th? WOW!!!! why all the hate for Randy? He deserves higher.
     
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    Re: NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61)

    The knock on Tomlinson in 2010 is that he has a long history lately of not being healthy, and small RBs take a lot of pounding versus 300 pound defensive tackles.  Tomlinson's knees, ankles and groin might possibly last a whole season for the Jets but surviving four more weeks is at least as likely.  He is running excellent right now. 

    Moss's workday involves running way down the field and catching three bombs a day, preferably in back of the coverage where he won't get tackled at all or will suffer a shoestring tackle.  Moss runs deep a large amount of the time, taking two defenders deep, and only occasionally goes across the middle.  All of this is good for his longevity compared with LaDanien's workday.
     
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    Re: NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61)

    In Response to Re: NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61):
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61) : What does " he has a long history lately of not being healthy" even mean?  If you are suggesting that he has missed a lot of games in his career, try looking at the stats you posted.  Furthermore, why do you care that among two NFL alltime greats one is ranked a spot higher than the other in some list?  Can we assume that regardless of what happens in the remainder of their carrers you will be claiming that Brady is way better than Manning, even though the numbers don't support it?
    Posted by PhatRex[/QUOTE]

    A) I posted the stats, Paul K made the comment about Tomlinson missing games. Try looking at who actually made the posts before you put your comments up, so they're directed at the right person.

    B) Actually, I don't care that Tomlinson is #61. The post was more about Randy Moss being #65. In my opinion, he's the 2nd best WR of all time, and I think #65 is a pretty low ranking for him. It'll be interesting to see what other receivers are ranked ahead of him. I only threw Tomlinson in there because he came up right after Randy, and I wanted to show what other players were ranked in that area.

    C) This post has zero to do with Tom Brady, so why even bring that up. But, while we're on the subject, Can we assume that if Tomlinson wasn't on the Jets, you wouldn't even have read this post?

    D) I thought this board was for discussing things such as this. Regardless of what you think, this board isn't here for idiot Jet fans to come here and complain about, and question, everything a Patriots fan says on here.
     
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    Re: NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61)

    In Response to Re: NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61):
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61) : Right you are, I ammended my post to give props to you props for your crying. This post has to do with your homerism.  As soon as a guy plays in NE, he is the best ever.  Anyone that would say that Moss is the second best receiver in the history of the NFL would surely believe that Brady is better than Manning.  You ought to email the globe and cry about other fans on a  public forum.  I think they would be intersted.  Everyone loves a whiny little biatch.
    Posted by PhatRex[/QUOTE]

    Again...there you go bringing up Brady when no one else has even mentioned him....and show me where i said that Moss was the best ever.

    You seem to be the one obsessing about Brady and the Pats...not me.

    So, instead of just complaining about other people's posts, why don't you try contributing something. Or, are you just not capable.....

    If you don't think Moss is the 2nd best, then fine....I respect that....but why don't you tell me who (you think) is?
     
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    Re: NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61)

    I watch a couples times just because Im a football fan , but dont think it has any credability .. at all. When you look at stats , who was throwing him the ball , teamates , how he changed the game and how he made his teammates better I really believe Moss is just as good as Rice if not better. Rice caught passes from Montana and Young , while Randy got bombs from Ferrotte , Culpepper , Collins , Cassell , Brooks , Walter , TuiISUCKO and Johnson before a old as hell Cunningham took the job. Moss averages more TDs and yards per year , will break his Rec TD record in the next 4 years and is w/out a doubt the best deep threat to ever play the game. Tony Dungy basically admited that Moss himself was a factor in him really bringing back the T2. Listen I love Welker as much as the next guy , but he was nothing as a WR in MIA. He comes to NE and everyone wants a WW now. Aaron Hern. owes him a TD and so does Gronky because of Moss clearing ouit space and taking defenders w/ him. Hes done this his whole career. If Moss plays 4 more years and doesnt get hurt he will have close to 20,000 yards and I figure about 205-210 TDS and will do all this is considerably less time than it took Rice. 19-20,00 yards and over 200 TDs in 17-18 years compared to Rices 20. This is by no means dogging Rice , but I really think hes a tiny bit overrated. I really started watching football around 88-89 and have seen some great players. Im sorry but no-one can tell me that Rice is better than Irvin. If Irvin stays healthy who knows his stats and if he would have won another ring , either Dallas or somewhere else. Listen Ive been a Moss fan since 97 , so yea Im bias , but what isnt true above? The guy is an absolute beast , changed the game , the way we look at WRs , they way we draft , and most importantly changed the postion and how we look at that. Again Im bias , I know , Im staring at a autographed Moss jersey from 98'. But IMHO Moss is a top 25-30 player... ALL TIME! How good is Larry Fitz? He needs 30 TDS and 2000 yards to keep pace w/ Randy thru their first 7 seasons. And lets get serious for a moment , how many better WRs are there in history than Fitz. Moss is Boss and was dogged here , but thats the way it'll go for him because he isnt friendly w/ the media.
     
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    Re: NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61)

    I'll go with most of these posts. Both 2 of these players probably are ranked too low. But LT did win a MVP in 2006 and the Best Male Athlete ESPY Award in 2007, so I can see why he is ranked higher for his career. Right now though, I'll take Moss over LT.  
     
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    Re: NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61)

    They put the 2nd best wide receiver at #65?

    not right.

    23 TD catches in one season.
    #2 in TD receptions all time behind who else? Jerry Rice.
    A huge contributer to the:
    #1 offense all time 2007 Patriots
    #2 offense all time 1998? Vikings

    highly underrated.
     
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    Re: NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61)

    In Response to Re: NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61):
    [QUOTE]They put the 2nd best wide receiver at #65? not right. 23 TD catches in one season. #2 in TD receptions all time behind who else? Jerry Rice. A huge contributer to the: #1 offense all time 2007 Patriots #2 offense all time 1998? Vikings highly underrated.
    Posted by btownteamsrking[/QUOTE]

    Moss is actually in the top 10 Single Season Recieving TD's 3 times, twice with the Vikings and in '07 with the Pats. Rice is in top ten twice. So, 5 of the top 10 all time single season receiving records go to 2 different players. That's kinda impressive.
     
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    Re: NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61)

    In Response to Re: NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61):
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61) : Moss is actually in the top 10 Single Season Recieving TD's 3 times, twice with the Vikings and in '07 with the Pats. Rice is in top ten twice. So, 5 of the top 10 all time single season receiving records go to 2 different players. That's kinda impressive.
    Posted by tmot1234[/QUOTE]

    good stuff.

    maybe they graded Moss low because of his attitude and the way he left oakland and minny. Still, he is easily a top 30 player All Time.

    Lets try to find another Randy Moss in the NFL right now. Candidates:

    1. Larry Fitzgerald
    2. Andre Johnson
    3. Calvin Johnson? 

    I mean not even close and these guys are amazing players, but they are no where near Randy.

    Part of a player's worth should be how unique and irreplacable that player is.
     
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    Re: NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61)

    Moss>>>>>>>>>>LTs career and its not even damn close

    What the hell has LT done other than choke? Seriously that regular season performance dont talk to me about as that year they lost in the playoffs and were superbowl favorites. Moss was a vital part in the first ever 16-0 and helped the team to 18-0 before Tyree makes a miracle catch almost 19-0.

    LT is a has been RB yes I will say that. 
     
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    Re: NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61)

    I look at it as Moss is easily a top 5 WR of all time. You can make an arguement for Irvin, Moss, and Swann for 2,3,4 after that. I might have Moss either number 2 or 3 but it's so close it might as well be 2A and 2B at this point.

    LT, however, is not a top 5 back he might not even be a top 10. My top 5 backs are: Brown, Sanders, Smith, Payton, Dickerson. Backs from 6-10 I might have over LT: Simpson, Sayers, Dorsett, Campbell, Allen

    Other notable players that you can argue are better then LT: Martin, Faulk, Harris, Bettis, Bo Jackson (the length of carry is the only thing keeping him from my top 10)

    To me that should mean that Moss is easily in the top 50 all time while LT is in the top 100 (#61 sounds about right)
     
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    Re: NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61)

    Here are some notable RB's and WR's already on the list:

    Michael Irvin #92
    Marcus Allen #85
    Tony Dorsett #77
    Marshall Faulk #70
    Earl Campbell #55
    Eric Dickerson #52

    The rest of the list (so far) is here:

    http://top100.nfl.com/

    It has a "fan rank" too, which has Randy at 24. Then again, the fans ranked Steve Young at #13 which is a little ridiculous....

     
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    Re: NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61)

    In Response to Re: NFL Networks Top 100 (Moss #65, Tomlinson #61):
    [QUOTE]I watch a couples times just because Im a football fan , but dont think it has any credability .. at all. When you look at stats , who was throwing him the ball , teamates , how he changed the game and how he made his teammates better I really believe Moss is just as good as Rice if not better. Rice caught passes from Montana and Young , while Randy got bombs from Ferrotte , Culpepper , Collins , Cassell , Brooks , Walter , TuiISUCKO and Johnson before a old as hell Cunningham took the job. Moss averages more TDs and yards per year , will break his Rec TD record in the next 4 years and is w/out a doubt the best deep threat to ever play the game. Tony Dungy basically admited that Moss himself was a factor in him really bringing back the T2. Listen I love Welker as much as the next guy , but he was nothing as a WR in MIA. He comes to NE and everyone wants a WW now. Aaron Hern. owes him a TD and so does Gronky because of Moss clearing ouit space and taking defenders w/ him. Hes done this his whole career. If Moss plays 4 more years and doesnt get hurt he will have close to 20,000 yards and I figure about 205-210 TDS and will do all this is considerably less time than it took Rice. 19-20,00 yards and over 200 TDs in 17-18 years compared to Rices 20. This is by no means dogging Rice , but I really think hes a tiny bit overrated. I really started watching football around 88-89 and have seen some great players. Im sorry but no-one can tell me that Rice is better than Irvin. If Irvin stays healthy who knows his stats and if he would have won another ring , either Dallas or somewhere else. Listen Ive been a Moss fan since 97 , so yea Im bias , but what isnt true above? The guy is an absolute beast , changed the game , the way we look at WRs , they way we draft , and most importantly changed the postion and how we look at that. Again Im bias , I know , Im staring at a autographed Moss jersey from 98'. But IMHO Moss is a top 25-30 player... ALL TIME! How good is Larry Fitz? He needs 30 TDS and 2000 yards to keep pace w/ Randy thru their first 7 seasons. And lets get serious for a moment , how many better WRs are there in history than Fitz. Moss is Boss and was dogged here , but thats the way it'll go for him because he isnt friendly w/ the media.
    Posted by NOT2REGRET[/QUOTE]

    The reason why Rice is ahead of Moss is because of his professional and mature attitude. Yes, if Moss had Brady since even 05, he would be possibly passing Rice right now. Moss is extremely gifted as a receiver. Moss is dogged bc some stupid fans just don't like him for no real reason. 

    for me he is the #2 Best pass catcher All Time.
     
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