NFLPA Wants To Eliminate the Draft

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    TP - On its face, I agree with your comment, and as a small market fan, I truly hope it doesn't come to this.  However, isn't it true that NFL owners share a larger percentage of revenue than any other sports?

    If so, while no one may be able to stop Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder from buying wins (I hold Kraft to a higher standard although he is one of the big money owners), maybe enough money is shared to allow most teams to stay competitive. 
     
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    In a way, I'd kind of like to see the players get exactly what they think they want in these negotiations.

    Then we could start a pool and guess how long it takes the "association" to run back to court screaming "Collusion!" when every single player in the league is not immediately offered a lucrative long-term deal with a retarded signing bonus.

     
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    TP - I am asking. 

    But you are right, small market teams will have to hope to get a midrange qb out of college that develops into a great QB, but hope to sign him to a long term deal before he becomes great (what a risk) because they won't have the money to bid for his services when he does.  

    As Goodell said, the small markets will become the minor leagues for the big markets while also having to compete against them.  If this goes much further, I wonder if we start seeing small market owners interested in selling their franchises. 
     
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    In a way, I'd kind of like to see the players get exactly what they think they want in these negotiations. Then we could start a pool and guess how long it takes the "association" to run back to court screaming "Collusion!" when every single player in the league is not immediately offered a lucrative long-term deal with a retarded signing bonus.
    Posted by p-mike


    I am foreseeing a player owned league that begins to crumble when the highest paid players find out they have to share significant portions of their salaries in order to attract and retain other players to make their team viable while wishing they had the old system back where they simply got paid and took no risk. 

    NCAA Executives and the other leagues even with all of their issues have got to be popping champagne corks over all of this.   
     
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         I can't believe that the NFL owners have been so short-sighted and ignorant. They, for the most part, are good businessmen, so they should know better. In court, they have no chance. The legal system is an abyss for them. What's beginning to happen to the owners now is similar to what happened to the MLB owners. They would be wise to cut their losses now, and strike a deal. The longer this process evolves through the courts, the worse it's going to get for them, and, ultimately, for the fans.    
    Posted by TexasPat3

     
    I've been saying from the beginning that the owners should have treated the players more like partners. (I was laughed at for suggesting that by the various pro-owner chest-puffers on this site.) The owners need the union--maybe more than the players do. The owners took an aggressive stance and now they are seeing the consequences of that. Treating your bargaining partner like your best friend often gets you more of what you want than cracking your knuckles and pounding sticks. 

    I wonder how much of the owners' strategy is really Goodell's strategy. If Goodell recommended this approach and it backfires, he may find himself "locked out" by the owners in the not too distant future.  
     
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         Again...for all of you who are siding with the players...be careful what you wish for: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/27/janoris-jenkins-could-be-the-first-to-directly-attack-the-draft/
    Posted by TexasPat3


    Jenkins isn't getting anything. The lawsuit is about the owners holding the draft, etcetera without a CBA in place and without negotiating toward one. Unless a union of some sort and the owners agree to things like a draft and salary cap, they are illegal. 

    Not to mention the fact that the current injunction would essentially allow the draft to go under the rules set by the owners, and the players sought that injunction. It would be a terrible case for Jenkins or the rookies.

    Prolate is 100% correct. The owners should come back to the table and stop the lockout voluntarily. It's insanity and is very unlikely that a court is going to defend their right to arbitraily impose drafts and salary caps without an agreement from the players.

    I also agree with his speculation about Goodell. The way the owners have gone after the players absolutely reeks of the ham-fisted approach that Goodell has taken toward fines, fees, and punishment. He has had, since the beginning of his tenure, a tendency to act like a biased despot, and it has flavored the negotiations from the beginning.   
     
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    If the owners came back to the table, with whom or what would they negotiate?
     
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    In Response to Re: NFLPA Wants To Eliminate the Draft :      Totally agree about "Jets" Goodell. Us Pats fans know all too well what a "biased despot" he has been over the past several years. I hope he's lustily booed by the draftniks at Radio City Music Hall, on Thursday night, 
    Posted by TexasPat3


    Lustily???  
     
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    In Response to Re: NFLPA Wants To Eliminate the Draft : I am foreseeing a player owned league that begins to crumble when the highest paid players find out they have to share significant portions of their salaries in order to attract and retain other players to make their team viable while wishing they had the old system back where they simply got paid and took no risk.  NCAA Executives and the other leagues even with all of their issues have got to be popping champagne corks over all of this.   
    Posted by UD6


    I'm very impressed with all the theory that we've seen bandied about concerning this topic, but the fact of the matter is that if the "association" manages to do away with the draft and the cap, the owners are still going to be business-savy. Any money teams have to spend to sign Johnny Hot Rod will come directly off the contract of Billy Back-Up. The owners aren't going to p*ss their money down their own legs just to please this particular greedy crop of players, no matter what the courts tell them.

    Give them free agency . . .   let the league become top-heavy . . .   the owners don't care. This isn't baseball. TV runs the NFL, and if an inept market like . . . Oh, for instance . . .  Minneapolis . . .   has to pay the price . . . Who cares?

    There are plenty of fans in Los Angeles . . .

    Even though Los Angeles hasn't supported a team in . . .  well . . . I'll just say "X" number of years.


    Y'all crack me up.

    I'm not kidding.

    You're hilarious.



     
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    Judge Nelson refused to grant the NFL a stay of the injunction against the lockout. The league will almost certainly appeal, but for now there's no lockout.  Will be interesting to see how the Appeals Court rules on this one.  Another defeat for the owners for now, however.    
     
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    In Response to Re: NFLPA Wants To Eliminate the Draft : I'm very impressed with all the theory that we've seen bandied about concerning this topic, but the fact of the matter is that if the "association" manages to do away with the draft and the cap, the owners are still going to be business-savy. Any money teams have to spend to sign Johnny Hot Rod will come directly off the contract of Billy Back-Up. The owners aren't going to p*ss their money down their own legs just to please this particular greedy crop of players, no matter what the courts tell them. Give them free agency . . .   let the league become top-heavy . . .   the owners don't care. This isn't baseball. TV runs the NFL, and if an inept market like . . . Oh, for instance . . .  Minneapolis . . .   has to pay the price . . . Who cares? There are plenty of fans in Los Angeles . . . Even though Los Angeles hasn't supported a team in . . .  well . . . I'll just say "X" number of years. Y'all crack me up. I'm not kidding. You're hilarious.
    Posted by p-mike

    Water finds it's own level Mike. I think baseball is a great example. Revenue percentage to the players stays between 54-60. It fluxuates wildly in there, but over a large sample is much higher in absolute terms than what NFL players get here, and owners just get along exactly the way you are explaining it.

    The idea that the NFL owners will spend themselves dead is just a scary bedtime story.  

     
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    The players could win, but they will fall apart before it happens. Theyy have bills to pay.......
     
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    In Response to Re: NFLPA Wants To Eliminate the Draft:
    In Response to Re: NFLPA Wants To Eliminate the Draft : I'm very impressed with all the theory that we've seen bandied about concerning this topic, but the fact of the matter is that if the "association" manages to do away with the draft and the cap, the owners are still going to be business-savy. Any money teams have to spend to sign Johnny Hot Rod will come directly off the contract of Billy Back-Up. The owners aren't going to p*ss their money down their own legs just to please this particular greedy crop of players, no matter what the courts tell them. Give them free agency . . .   let the league become top-heavy . . .   the owners don't care. This isn't baseball. TV runs the NFL, and if an inept market like . . . Oh, for instance . . .  Minneapolis . . .   has to pay the price . . . Who cares? There are plenty of fans in Los Angeles . . . Even though Los Angeles hasn't supported a team in . . .  well . . . I'll just say "X" number of years. Y'all crack me up. I'm not kidding. You're hilarious.
    Posted by p-mike


    The mighty mike has spoken.  Can you dig it? 

    I am sure you wouldn't care one bit if Minny became LA.  You're a pats fan.  Besides LA got the Laker's, right?  I am sure you don't mind because your favored team would be included in the top-heavy group. 
     
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    Patty - I was not questioning the word's definition, but rather your decision to use it.  Apparently, Brady's foray into Fabio's world has had an affect on you. 

     
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    Ummm, the fact that the Vikings have already put a gun to Minny's head for a free stadium or else they move, in part because under the NFL's current status they can, doesn't affect this doomsday scenario?

    I fail to see the difference...


     
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    no draft? they do realize that no one would play for the lions, raiders, etc. any of the perennial losing teams.  I think this proposal is proof that the players have taken too many hits to the head!
    Posted by natesubs


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    Then the Lions organization would fail, as would any business that cannot attract talented employees.  The Lions are the poster child of organizations that should have failed and been replaced long ago. 

     
     
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         The more that the players win in court, the harder it will be to get a deal done...and the closer we come towards baseball style free agency. That system ruined MLB, unless your a Sox, Yankees, or Phillies fan. It damaged the popularity of the sport, nationwide. The same could happen in the NFL, especially if the courts do away with the draft.      Once the government gets involved in sports, or any other business, are things ever better for the fan, or the consumer?       
    Posted by TexasPat3


    I wish the government would stop trying to keep e coli out of my food. 
     
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