No Loading Up This Year

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    http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2014/02/loading_up_through_free_agency.html

     

    "It started as a murmur. It then became audible chatter. Now it is a howl.

    Those who thought the Patriots should "load up" following a crushing loss to the Denver Broncos in the AFC Championship game are now demanding it after watching the Seattle Seahawks knocked the Broncos hooves off in the Super Bowl.

    Enough with the 5-foot-10 receivers and small cornerbacks and unknown retreads who populate the bottom third of the roster. This growing subsection of observers demand that the Patriots go for it before paint loosens and Tom Brady's window slams shut.

    But as those cries wail through the streets of New England and over the airwaves, it's unlikely that they'll be heard in the offices at 1 Patriot Place. Owner Robert Kraft already said as much during a recent radio appearance on 98.5 The Sports Hub.

    "We're trying to manage our resources as wisely as we can and be as aggressive as we can, but we're trying to make sure every year we are putting ourselves in a position to win," Kraft said.

    And while it's fun to think what the team would look like with Larry Fitzgerald on the outside or Jimmy Graham lining up next to Rob Gronkowski at tight end, spending lavishly on the open market this offseason isn't wise for the long-term success of the franchise.

    The Patriots have $118 million committed to their top 51 players and $8.5 million in dead money. If the salary cap is set at $128 million, the highest estimate being floated, the Patriots would have about $5.5 million in free space, given that they can roll over $4.1 million in unused space from last season.

    That's not much room to play with. Re-sign someone like cornerback Aqib Talib, wide receiver Julian Edelman or running back LeGarrette Blount, and the coffers are emptied. Now, money can be created by restructuring contracts, releasing guys, or getting creative with how deals are structured, but eventually you have to face reality. Loading up brings talent. It also brings bad deals. More often the latter outweighs the benefits of the former.

    The chatter surrounding the team last offseason was similar to what is being said this time around. Brady needed more weapons, particularly a deep threat, and the savior identified by many was Mike Wallace. Alas, the Miami Dolphins won those sweepstakes, and are now on the hook for $17.25 million next season for a guy who caught 73 passes for 930 yards in 2013.

    For the sake of reference, Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers carries a cap figure of $17.9 million next year. Lucky for the Dolphins, they aren't carrying many other heavy contracts, so they'll have room to improve their roster, but these deals often don't look as good once the sun comes up.

    There's a reason that it's become a cliché to say that good teams are built through the draft, and bad teams look forward to free agency. It's true. More often than not, these free agents don't survive more than a few years with their new teams.

    Remember the so-called "Dream Team" the Philadelphia Eagles assembled in 2011? Defensive end Jason Babin, defensive tackle Cullen Jenkins and cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha were the jewels of that free-agent class. All three have since been cut.

    But the Eagles weren't the only team that struggled in free agency that offseason. Nineteen players signed deals with a new team spanning four or more years in 2011. Ten of them have already been released.

    What Philadelphia learned was that collecting talent isn't the same as building a team. Not only did some of their new additions struggle to blend in, their presence ruffled those who were already on the roster. Chemistry never developed and the experiment failed.

    That lesson registered with Kraft, who pointed to the 2012 Baltimore Ravens as an example. Baltimore was able to blend their new pieces in and win the Super Bowl, but they had to start cutting pieces free and went 8-8 and missed the playoffs in 2013.

    That isn't the way he wants to do things.

    "There's so many things that happen," he said. "I don't ever believe in selling your soul for a bowl of (porridge)."

    What Kraft and the Patriots may be interested in is adding a missing piece here or there through free agency, which is what the Seahawks were able to do last offseason. It should, however, be pointed out that Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson had a base salary of $526,217 last season. Patriots tight end Michael Hoomanwanui was at $630,000. Having a quarterback that cheap makes it easier to take a few risks, though Seattle's spending can hardly be considered reckless.

    They signed defensive ends Cliff Avril (two years, $13 million) and Michael Bennett (one year, $4.8 million) to reasonable deals, though trading for wide receiver Percy Harvin and signing him to a lucrative extension was a bit of a gamble. But the key to those moves was Wilson, which makes Seattle's situation completely unlike New England's.

    But either way, loading up and revamping the offense by signing anyone with a decent set of stats is unlikely to happen in New England. The Patriots already began this task last offseason and will likely look to stay the course. Another tight end is likely needed, and a veteran wide receiver may help, but those looking for a shopping spree are sure to be disappointed.

    "I think a better strategy is to try to be solid and be able to compete year in and year out," Kraft said.

    It won't appease the fans, but that's the more prudent approach."

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    noone really thought the Patriots would/could load up....

     




     

    Kraft is a pretty smart guy. I wonder if babe, murtl, t-cal and that guy pezz also think Kraft is as dumb as Bill Belichick for sharing his exact team building philosophy?

     
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    Keep fixing the defense and the Pats win the SB, if Tom Brady needs all-star WRs to win the Superbowl his window closed a long time ago.

     
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    Keep fixing the defense and the Pats win the SB, if Tom Brady needs all-star WRs to win the Superbowl his window closed a long time ago.

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    Yanno, if that D gets healthy and adds a piece or two I'm thinking they'll be pretty good perhaps very good.  Not Seattle level, but with a good O, a good D, good special teams and good coaching another Lombardi is not out of the question.

     
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    Imagine if these fans that want the Pats to load up were fans in the 60's, 70's and 80's. What kind of hand wringing and lamenting would be going on in here!

     
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    Imagine if these fans that want the Pats to load up were fans in the 60's, 70's and 80's. What kind of hand wringing and lamenting would be going on in here!

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    The difference is Brady and BB. The Pats didn't have GOAT's at those two spots so people understood even loading up doesn't guarantee a SB. However, with Brady and BB gives you the best shot we have to get one so watching their careers wear away and seeing offseason after offseason just putting a competitive team on the field is frustrating. Without Brady this team is no longer competitive so in the short time availble why not load up now and for the future? You can load up on D getting players in their prime like a TJ Ward and move up in the draft to get higher end D talent. That way you are making a push for the SB while Brady is here and loading up the D for runs after Brady is gone. Why doesn't taht make sense.

    BTW did Kraft compare the SB to porridge? I love what Kraft has done for this team but it's clear his idea of success is just making the playoffs each year to keep fans interested. Winning the SB is like frosting to him but it sounds like he's just interested in the cake. Which for 26 other teams is fine but when you have a great QB you should be a little hungrier and greedier.

    Loading up can be done without over extending yourself and can be done spending short term resources without selling long term benefits. Kraft's a very smart man and knows how to play to overly loyal fans saying exactly what they want to hear but what he doesn't completely say, which the article refers to, is a team like Sea shows with the right tools you can spend via FA and in the draft and get the talent you need without over extending yourself. And for all those pointing to Wilson saying that's the only reason they can do it, maybe you should take a look at Sea's cap last season. They had some pretty large contracts too in areas we didn't need to spend because we had draft picks in those places. The one thing they didn't have was the anchor the Pats have of that much dead money around their necks.

     
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    Would it be safe to say that Seattle just happened to luck out to have all these young, relatively inexpensive, players all rise up and play the season of their lives only to potentially see it all come crashing down when they all want to get paid?  You ain't gonna keep a Wilson at a cap friendly, bargain price, of just over $500,000.  Tate may have said he'd accept less to stay, but, he will still want to get paid and his cap hit will go up.

    When the Pats won all their SBs with a group of relatively unknown players, it all started crashing when they wanted to get paid.  After that 3rd SB win, the roster of the Pats changes dramatically every season thereafter to this day

     
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    One Entity!

     

    Thats all you guys need to know. Keep playing the game if you want. if the NFL is ONE ENTITY and not 32 and they consider their business "entertainment" and not a sport, this allows them to fix games to their liking.(this is why the jets fan tried to sue the team and lost but came very close to winning)  Kraft knows he just needs to stay competitive and keep winning reg. season games and the money will flow in. He has his 3 rings and is about making money now. Sorry to say but thats the truth. Can we still win? sure but thats not the priority. If/when our times comes up again, we will win. Not any sooner or later. Its all rigged. Kraft was on board with the swith from defense to offense, knowing fully well he would win games but no ring. We can still do the "board" thing and dispute all these theories and all that but its an exercise in futility.

    I dont mean to change the way people watch so I wont frequent here and ruin the fun but me personally, Ive always been a truth seeker and I cant carry on with the BS knowing what I know now. I stopped watching wrestling also as soon as I found out it was fake. Football isnt fake so I may still watch but im not gonna go crazy wondering why we cant win when its a plan to just win reg. season games, get a couple playoff games for more revenue but winning it all is up to the Commish.

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    "We're trying to manage our resources as wisely as we can and be as aggressive as we can, but we're trying to make sure every year we are putting ourselves in a position to win," Kraft said.

     

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    Unfortunately for Bob he isn't doing that. They're putting themselves in a position to epic fail.

     
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    Imagine if these fans that want the Pats to load up were fans in the 60's, 70's and 80's. What kind of hand wringing and lamenting would be going on in here!

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    There's maybe 3 posters on here that can remember those days, the rest became "fans" in 2001.

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    I recall those days and I am certain there are more than 3 here who go that far back.  You give little credit to this fan base being long time supporters of the Patriots.  Consider, forums like these only began in the early 2000's, so, tough to call you out for anything before then like you are doing to the fans here.

     
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    Imagine if these fans that want the Pats to load up were fans in the 60's, 70's and 80's. What kind of hand wringing and lamenting would be going on in here!

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    There's maybe 3 posters on here that can remember those days, the rest became "fans" in 2001.

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    I recall those days and I am certain there are more than 3 here who go that far back.  You give little credit to this fan base being long time supporters of the Patriots.  Consider, forums like these only began in the early 2000's, so, tough to call you out for anything before then like you are doing to the fans here.

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    I was just thinking about how we view our team now and what it was like prior to Kraft. I go as far  back as the 70's and it was special when we had playoff teams like the 76/78 teams and the 85/86 teams because there was very little or no expectations. It was all about expectations back then  (which was hope we make the playoffs) and it made the successful seasons more enjoyable because they were so few of them. That being said  this organization in the last 20 years has been successful (especially in the BB era) because they developed a model that has allowed them to be highly competitive and championship driven in a league where the rules promote parity and to a certain extent punish the best teams through draft positioning and schedule. I like many have expect a SB year in and year out even though I know how difficult that goal is for every team. In the last few years I have tried to temper my expectations because of how highly competitive the league is.  just my random 2 cents on the issue.

     
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    Anybody catch Russel Wilsons post of a picture of the seahawks 2012 draft class and a message saying, and you graded us with an "F" and now we're super bowl champs!

    Perfect example of how the draft is a complete crap shoot, and this idea of "going for it" or "loading up" is complete horsesht. Anybody notice in the article above how 19 players were given multi year contracts in 2011 and 10 of them have already been cut...including the eagles "dream team"?

    BB and Kraft have the correct blue print, they just didn't catch the breaks that most teams need as the difference between winning and losing a Super Bowl, or in our case, 3 MORE Super Bowls in the last 7 seasons. If 1 or 2 plays is the difference in 3 more Lombardi's then the system cannot be flawed!

     
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    Keep fixing the defense and the Pats win the SB, if Tom Brady needs all-star WRs to win the Superbowl his window closed a long time ago.

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    Yup, Given them a running game and a defense that can get off the field and they will still put up points even without great recievers.

    Suggest they focus on getting players that can put pressure on other teams QB's. Numbers and depth to cycle in and out will do as opposed to getting costly stars.

     
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    Imagine if these fans that want the Pats to load up were fans in the 60's, 70's and 80's. What kind of hand wringing and lamenting would be going on in here!

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    The moaning, weeping and gnashing of teeth would be deafening and unrelenting.

     
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    Anybody catch Russel Wilsons post of a picture of the seahawks 2012 draft class and a message saying, and you graded us with an "F" and now we're super bowl champs!

    Perfect example of how the draft is a complete crap shoot, and this idea of "going for it" or "loading up" is complete horsesht. Anybody notice in the article above how 19 players were given multi year contracts in 2011 and 10 of them have already been cut...including the eagles "dream team"?

    BB and Kraft have the correct blue print, they just didn't catch the breaks that most teams need as the difference between winning and losing a Super Bowl, or in our case, 3 MORE Super Bowls in the last 7 seasons. If 1 or 2 plays is the difference in 3 more Lombardi's then the system cannot be flawed!

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    True no one but maybe Kiper graded the Seahawks draft an F. Most said they had a solid draft picking players of need in spots where they were graded out to be picked so they didn't overdraft anyone. Every pick was solid overall with some questions revolving over taking a pass rushing specialist so early in the draft. Many felt Wagner was a solid pick up at LB (no one questioned whether they should have taken T. Wilson instead) and that Russell was going to take over for Jackson at some point that year. All there players past that point many felt could play role position in year 1 and many noted a couple guys were under the radar picks who could pan out to be gold in the late rounds. But, the key was they drafted for need and didn't overdraft players further then they needed to be taken. That last statement alone I bet the was majority of us would have loved to say about our 12' draft choices.

     
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    Kraft and BB do need to load up and make the most of Brady's last years IMO. 

    A key point not mentioned is that it appears there is a bit of separation now with the best 2-3 teams in the NFC. That means making it to the AFC title game doesn't mean that much if you end up being a tomato can for the NFC in the Super Bowl as the Broncs did this year. 

    I hope Kraft and BB realize they need to make the push now. 

    Kraft uses the Ravens as an example of what he doesn't want. But I'd rather have a championship one year and then be out of the playoffs the next - though I think the Ravens took it further than they needed to with their cuts. 

    Kraft feels differently and would rather be like the McNabb Eagles, winning each year but falling short if necessary for consistency's sake. 

    But- those are his public comments. I'm keeping an open mind until the team hits the field. 

    How many games we won or didn't in the 70s has no bearing on this. Anyone who doesn't want one more championship for BB and Brady doesn't understand how our three existing championships need another one for validation (outside of New England)

     
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    Kraft and BB do need to load up and make the most of Brady's last years IMO. 

    A key point not mentioned is that it appears there is a bit of separation now with the best 2-3 teams in the NFC. That means making it to the AFC title game doesn't mean that much if you end up being a tomato can for the NFC in the Super Bowl as the Broncs did this year. 

    I hope Kraft and BB realize they need to make the push now. 

    Kraft uses the Ravens as an example of what he doesn't want. But I'd rather have a championship one year and then be out of the playoffs the next - though I think the Ravens took it further than they needed to with their cuts. 

    Kraft feels differently and would rather be like the McNabb Eagles, winning each year but falling short if necessary for consistency's sake. 

    But- those are his public comments. I'm keeping an open mind until the team hits the field. 

    How many games we won or didn't in the 70s has no bearing on this. Anyone who doesn't want one more championship for BB and Brady doesn't understand how our three existing championships need another one for validation (outside of New England)

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    Frankly I couldn't care what others outside of NE think and certainly don't need validation, however, I was there as a fan in the late 80's to mid 90's. I remember those teams well and do understand no matter how much the franchise thinks they can keep up winning ways once Brady rides off to the sunset there is a good shot we'll be in the same state the Jets are now. I want every last chance to be taken advantage of before the final sunset because I do remember the bad times and don't want to be looking back 10 years from now in a similar state saying, I wish they went for it at least one more time. Selling the future was the right move considering the future was a .500 team without Brady

     
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    let's just see what Seattle does after this year..

     
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    Kraft and BB do need to load up and make the most of Brady's last years IMO. 

    A key point not mentioned is that it appears there is a bit of separation now with the best 2-3 teams in the NFC. That means making it to the AFC title game doesn't mean that much if you end up being a tomato can for the NFC in the Super Bowl as the Broncs did this year. 

    I hope Kraft and BB realize they need to make the push now. 

    Kraft uses the Ravens as an example of what he doesn't want. But I'd rather have a championship one year and then be out of the playoffs the next - though I think the Ravens took it further than they needed to with their cuts. 

    Kraft feels differently and would rather be like the McNabb Eagles, winning each year but falling short if necessary for consistency's sake. 

    But- those are his public comments. I'm keeping an open mind until the team hits the field. 

    How many games we won or didn't in the 70s has no bearing on this. Anyone who doesn't want one more championship for BB and Brady doesn't understand how our three existing championships need another one for validation (outside of New England)

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    Frankly I couldn't care what others outside of NE think and certainly don't need validation, however, I was there as a fan in the late 80's to mid 90's. I remember those teams well and do understand no matter how much the franchise thinks they can keep up winning ways once Brady rides off to the sunset there is a good shot we'll be in the same state the Jets are now. I want every last chance to be taken advantage of before the final sunset because I do remember the bad times and don't want to be looking back 10 years from now in a similar state saying, I wish they went for it at least one more time. Selling the future was the right move considering the future was a .500 team without Brady

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    I simply don't agree and have said so in other threads.  If they 'load up' there will be consequences downstream and suppose, like Denver, they load up and then get their as_ses handed to them, also like Denver?  Brady may very well be the GOAT but I don't agree on betting the farm on the next couple of years only to have the crop fail. 

    Quite frankly, it doesn't make a rat's a_ss what I or anyone else outside the organization thinks.  Kraft and BB are going to do what they're going to do and I'm guessin that 'loading up' is not what they're going to do.

     
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    Kraft and BB do need to load up and make the most of Brady's last years IMO. 

    A key point not mentioned is that it appears there is a bit of separation now with the best 2-3 teams in the NFC. That means making it to the AFC title game doesn't mean that much if you end up being a tomato can for the NFC in the Super Bowl as the Broncs did this year. 

    I hope Kraft and BB realize they need to make the push now. 

    Kraft uses the Ravens as an example of what he doesn't want. But I'd rather have a championship one year and then be out of the playoffs the next - though I think the Ravens took it further than they needed to with their cuts. 

    Kraft feels differently and would rather be like the McNabb Eagles, winning each year but falling short if necessary for consistency's sake. 

    But- those are his public comments. I'm keeping an open mind until the team hits the field. 

    How many games we won or didn't in the 70s has no bearing on this. Anyone who doesn't want one more championship for BB and Brady doesn't understand how our three existing championships need another one for validation (outside of New England)

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    I really don't care about validation outside of New England. I just care that the team I root for tries it's hardest and does it's best to be as good as it can be. If that means superbowls, that is great. If that means less than a superbowl but playing in the playoffs almost every year, that is still great. And I say that knowing that once the playoffs start, all it takes is one or two bounces of the ball and you are the superbowl champions! Unless of course you are the Broncos.

     
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    I simply don't agree and have said so in other threads.  If they 'load up' there will be consequences downstream and suppose, like Denver, they load up and then get their as_ses handed to them, also like Denver?  Brady may very well be the GOAT but I don't agree on betting the farm on the next couple of years only to have the crop fail. 

    Quite frankly, it doesn't make a rat's a_ss what I or anyone else outside the organization thinks.  Kraft and BB are going to do what they're going to do and I'm guessin that 'loading up' is not what they're going to do.

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    At the least, they go about their work like football businessmen and not "knee jerk" reactionary fans.  Imagine if these two made moves like fans here jump on to suggest they make?  This organization would be a mess!

     

     
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    Kraft and BB do need to load up and make the most of Brady's last years IMO. 

    A key point not mentioned is that it appears there is a bit of separation now with the best 2-3 teams in the NFC. That means making it to the AFC title game doesn't mean that much if you end up being a tomato can for the NFC in the Super Bowl as the Broncs did this year. 

    I hope Kraft and BB realize they need to make the push now. 

    Kraft uses the Ravens as an example of what he doesn't want. But I'd rather have a championship one year and then be out of the playoffs the next - though I think the Ravens took it further than they needed to with their cuts. 

    Kraft feels differently and would rather be like the McNabb Eagles, winning each year but falling short if necessary for consistency's sake. 

    But- those are his public comments. I'm keeping an open mind until the team hits the field. 

    How many games we won or didn't in the 70s has no bearing on this. Anyone who doesn't want one more championship for BB and Brady doesn't understand how our three existing championships need another one for validation (outside of New England)

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    I think we missed the window. Doesnt sound like Kraft/BB could make any big moves this offseason even if they wanted to. Thats why it was imperative to win in 07, 11 and 06'. This Seattle team and San Fran team are setup to be great for another couple years until they start losing guys to f/a. Thats just about when Brady will be retiring. NOw if BB stays as coach id love to see what this team looks like post brady but I doubt they even care.  The NFL has said they are ONE Entity. They are an entertainment business just like wrestling. They arent a sport. This means they can legally control the outcomes of games in which they HAVE been doing for years.

    So yes we could still win a SB but we are gonna have to do it by being dominant and by that I mean defensively. Weve seen five years of dominating offensively get us Zilch. I just dont see how BB/Kraft can get this D on a seahawk/49er level in a couple years esp. since weve seen no sign of this offensive philosophy changing. BB is too stubborn and Kraft is too rich, has too many rings and one young hot chick to Care about another title. He DOES however care about filling the seats which he can do by winning 10-12 games a year beating up on afc east. Theyve even said if the fans get mad and dont buy tickets, they would just host a game in a studio and enjoy the money from tv ratings. They have a plan B already.

    Ive learned this long ago in baseball. All you  need is to win a title every now and then and in between just compete and give illusion like you wanna win every year but really its a hoax. Sorry the only diff. is NFL is the only american sport that AINT a sport. Its a one entity, entertainment biz making billions off gambling, fixing games,etc. Owners just bide their time getting rich. Since we had a dynasty just 10 years ago, I dont see another title coming soon.

     
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    I simply don't agree and have said so in other threads.  If they 'load up' there will be consequences downstream and suppose, like Denver, they load up and then get their as_ses handed to them, also like Denver?  Brady may very well be the GOAT but I don't agree on betting the farm on the next couple of years only to have the crop fail. 

    Quite frankly, it doesn't make a rat's a_ss what I or anyone else outside the organization thinks.  Kraft and BB are going to do what they're going to do and I'm guessin that 'loading up' is not what they're going to do.

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    At the least, they go about their work like football businessmen and not "knee jerk" reactionary fans.  Imagine if these two made moves like fans here jump on to suggest they make?  This organization would be a mess!

     

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    They have a model for the football operation and will not deviate from it. There are some fans who don't like or understand the concept so they get upset when they don't win a SB year after year. It is unfortunate that in one SB some no name caught a ball on his helmet and our best corner let an interception slide through his hands. It is unfortunate that we had a WR drop a ball in another SB to cost them the game.

    For my money as much as I get frustrated at times with how they operate I do appreciate the fact they are disciplined enough to always make sure the team is in the title conversation sometimes literally a play or 2 away from winning it all. For me more than talent or lack of talent as some feel... it has come down to lack of execution by the core players on the team that have cost them in big games not the lack of talent.

     

     
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    Re: No Loading Up This Year

    No Gronk, Hernandez or Vollmer. No Wilfork, Kelly or Mayo. Still a 4th place finish. Unacceptable to some, remarkable to me and many others. Thank you Mr. Kraft. Stay the course.

     
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    Re: No Loading Up This Year

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    Kraft and BB do need to load up and make the most of Brady's last years IMO. 

    A key point not mentioned is that it appears there is a bit of separation now with the best 2-3 teams in the NFC. That means making it to the AFC title game doesn't mean that much if you end up being a tomato can for the NFC in the Super Bowl as the Broncs did this year. 

    I hope Kraft and BB realize they need to make the push now. 

    Kraft uses the Ravens as an example of what he doesn't want. But I'd rather have a championship one year and then be out of the playoffs the next - though I think the Ravens took it further than they needed to with their cuts. 

    Kraft feels differently and would rather be like the McNabb Eagles, winning each year but falling short if necessary for consistency's sake. 

    But- those are his public comments. I'm keeping an open mind until the team hits the field. 

    How many games we won or didn't in the 70s has no bearing on this. Anyone who doesn't want one more championship for BB and Brady doesn't understand how our three existing championships need another one for validation (outside of New England)

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    I think we missed the window. Doesnt sound like Kraft/BB could make any big moves this offseason even if they wanted to. Thats why it was imperative to win in 07, 11 and 06'. This Seattle team and San Fran team are setup to be great for another couple years until they start losing guys to f/a. Thats just about when Brady will be retiring. NOw if BB stays as coach id love to see what this team looks like post brady but I doubt they even care.  The NFL has said they are ONE Entity. They are an entertainment business just like wrestling. They arent a sport. This means they can legally control the outcomes of games in which they HAVE been doing for years.

    So yes we could still win a SB but we are gonna have to do it by being dominant and by that I mean defensively. Weve seen five years of dominating offensively get us Zilch. I just dont see how BB/Kraft can get this D on a seahawk/49er level in a couple years esp. since weve seen no sign of this offensive philosophy changing. BB is too stubborn and Kraft is too rich, has too many rings and one young hot chick to Care about another title. He DOES however care about filling the seats which he can do by winning 10-12 games a year beating up on afc east. Theyve even said if the fans get mad and dont buy tickets, they would just host a game in a studio and enjoy the money from tv ratings. They have a plan B already.

    Ive learned this long ago in baseball. All you  need is to win a title every now and then and in between just compete and give illusion like you wanna win every year but really its a hoax. Sorry the only diff. is NFL is the only american sport that AINT a sport. Its a one entity, entertainment biz making billions off gambling, fixing games,etc. Owners just bide their time getting rich. Since we had a dynasty just 10 years ago, I dont see another title coming soon.

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    Sadly, I do think we missed the window but as long as we have Brady we still have at least a shot to be in contention. Now is the time to back load contracts, restructure, and get whoever they can on DEFENSE. The whole Hernandez thing really strapped this team. We need 1300 plus yards and 15td from Gronk and a HEALTHY playoff run. The AFC is in shambles but in some ways that is a good thing for the Pats as the door for a trip to the Super Bowl is still open. Unfortunately, Seattle and SF have built monsters and it doesn't look good for the AFC right now. Anybody that thinks this Seattle team will be fading away quickly is out of their mind. I am going on the record right now and predicting another Sehawks Super Bowl BLOWOUT next year. I really, really do hope I'm wrong.

     
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