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No one remembers Dobson from ESPN?

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    Re: No one remembers Dobson from ESPN?

    I think Logan Ryan is a better fit for the pats then Rhodes. I was high on Rhodes early, nthen really started watching him. He's good, but seemed to have tight hips. He didn't turn well and as Z said, seemed like a liability in zone.

    i think bb had a very good draft and I am counting UDFAs as well. Dobson, Boyce, Moe...nice haul at WR. Collins, buchannon can get after the passer. We got a good 3-4th corner on Ryan, who might be a starting corner next, and a hard hitting little known safety that should make light in the pants Gregory expendable. 

     
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    Re: No one remembers Dobson from ESPN?

    Agree on Blount Z. He is a power runner, but watching him, he seems to generate most of his power from momentum. Meaning, he becomes a power runner when he builds up a little steam, rather than moving a pile for 2 yards and a first doWn.

    blount is clearly troubled. If he can keep his hands to himself. He and everyone around him should be okay. What worries me is this guy will punch first and ask questions later. Bb doesn't do stupid well, so if this meathead costs the pats yardage or a game, he can roll himself up and burn his way out of foxborough. 

     
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    Good Post ZB, glad to have you back. 60+ targets with zero drops seems unreal. Who do you think get the most touches/targets Moe, Dobson, or Boyce. For me its Dobson.

     
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    Re: No one remembers Dobson from ESPN?

    Also Z, agree on Blount. He gets touches, but is not a power runner. IMHO Blount runs a bit to upright and thus susceptible to injury. As role player on the offense I think he does that. Funny thing is I think I had him on a Pats draft thread somewhere around the 6th or 7th. I recall his draft status fell immensely after suspension (the infamous punch). Could be a good player, but cannot take undisciplined penalties (let Lions do that)IMHO,, is still only 27 and does not have to much tread (too many carries) on the tire.

     
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    Re: No one remembers Dobson from ESPN?

    Who are we talking about now? Dobson?

    i think Dobson will be productive this year for a rook and in a complicated offense, with a few guys ahead of him on target hierarchy. 

    my guess...40 receptions, 655 yards, 5 TDs. I can live with that, and it would be huge especiaLy if we get production out of Danny, Gronk, Hern and Ballard...I think Boyce will chip in also, same with Edelman...

     
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    Re: No one remembers Dobson from ESPN?

    In response to zbellino's comment:

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    i think Dobson can develop into something special. The one kid I am. Really fond of is TJ Moe. I think he will surprise some, and I could see him supplanting Jones on our roster. 

    i am curious as to how many wr's the pats keep, slater takes up a spot every year, so, most likely 5 other positions open less slater...amendola, Dobson, Edelman, Boyce, moe...that is a nice group if they can develop some chemistry with Brady. Then add our te's in and it gets real scary. Can't forget Vereen, Ridley and the newly acquired guy from Tampa...that is the making of a versatile and highly productive i offense on paper. 

     

     



    agreed but wouldnt rul eouyt bolden. kid ran through people several at a time.

     

     



    I would ... he never did that. I've seen every run he's done in the pros, and a ton from college. He's a JAG. 

     

    Betcha 20 bucks he never starts here, and is never anything special. 

    Out of all NE's running backs he's the least talented. Just a warm body.

     



    maybe so. but you missed plays or did not see teh plays i say whne he most ceratainly did run over several at a time

     

     



    Sorry. No. I didn't. Please provide links to his "power runs." Most power runners are evident without even citing this one run one time where he broke a tackle or two. It's all over any video collection of their talents. I mean, everyone on NE, including Woodhead, has a clip where they break an arm tackle. 

     

    Bolden? He's not a power runner. He's, well, just a runner. 

    I've watched every carry he has made in NE. I watched him all throughout college in the SEC where he played at Ole Miss (a major rival). I've seen him play in person at the "Magnolia bowl." I have a friend that is crazy Ole Miss obssessed (a guy named Jerry, who's met both Mannings) and was as confused about this "power" thing you talk about as anyone. 

    Let me explain. He is a JAG. He gets caught by tacklers. He falls forward for a few extra yards. That's not power running. 

    Power runners are: Usually plus weight, not 215-20, Bolden's weight, an average weight by RB standards. Even 225 is light for doing that because you don't match up well against linebackers at that weight.  

    Power runners force other teams to bring on heavier defenders.

    Power runners project their force. 

    Here are power runners, this is what they look like:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvRscpZLHoM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBzROa8DTtY

    Here is Bolden vs the Tigers:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYNJNNj-dd4

    He isn't even close to a power back. He tries to avoid contact. He is brought down by corners .... he is brought down by corners rather routinely as a matter of fact. 

    This is the thing that I find so vexing... he has less power than Ridley on a play to play level. Ridley is better at breaking tackles than this kid. Neither of them are power runners ... but Ridley is more a power runner than he is. 

    Please find me a collection of runs by this kid that show him running "powerfully" ... if he were this thing .... it would be easy. A lot easier than saying: "one time there was a run you've missed."  I've seen every one of the 56 carries he's made as a Patriot, and a few 100 or so of him in college. Not to mention highlights of Ole Miss games. 

    Or, re the conversation about him and Blount "competing" -- here is Blount:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6UGiPWrkXY

    Nearly every run on that tape has Blount trucking someone, multiple defenders, linebackers, defensive ends, safeties. Anyone who is a "power runner" is easy to spot. Bolden ... isn't a power runner. He is just a guy.  

    Blount, is a power runner .... that is what it looks like.

    Bolden doesn't compete with him for the "power runner" role. The only reason they might even be competing for a roster spot is because Blount is a headcase on his last chance stop and Bolden is a JAG running back without exceptional power, without exceptional speed, and without exceptional vision/moves who acts as a fresh set of legs. That means both of them are a cut away from being off the team at this point. 

    All told, I hope Blount works out, because Bolden doesn't add anything whereas Blount adds a power running back that NE hasn't had in a while.

     



    Couple of things, the catch was amazing. He had a few great catches last year.

    On the Blount thing above I disagree with. I watched Blount last year and just because he is a big back doesn't mean he is a power back. This guy looked horrible running behind the same line Martin looked amazing with. He was stuffed at the goal line almost every time he had a touch. I wouldn't categorize BJGE as a top power back, but his vision in the red zone and ability to fall forward makes him 10 times the RB Blount has ever been. "Power back" or whatever you want to call it...

     

     
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    Re: No one remembers Dobson from ESPN?

    And honestly, "Blount adds a power back that n.e hasn't had in sometime"???

    Again, because the guy is 250 pounds doesn't mean he is a power back! Or not a good one anyway. He gets swallowed up at the L.O.S and needs a gaping hole with full steam ahead in order to break a tackle. He has around 230 carries for 900 something yards and 7 tds in his last 2 seasons.

    I'd rather see Ridley or Bolden at the goal line, or for a yard. Or BJGE for that matter.

     
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