In response to BabeParilli's comment:
In response to zbellino's comment:
Scouts Inc Ranked 40th
NFL.com scouts had him ranked at the top 50.
The 4.43 wasn't an "official time". The official time, which weight all his runs was 4.54. Again that is coutresy of Scouts Inc who record the official time.
THe only websites I saw that had him secure in the first were the silly fan sites (of which there are dozens) which amount to a couple guys with a six pack, doritos, and Youtube .... and .... a subscrition to a real scouting service like Scouts Inc.
Sure, you are entitled to your opinion. He sounds like a mess to me. A guy who likes to punch around in man coverage, but is a nightmare when placed in any zone scheme, gets caught peeking, gets lost in the open field. I would never put a 1st round grade on a player like that.
At any rate, we shall watch him for sure. I bet he's garbage, or at leat a JAG.
That time is what NFL.com is listing.... sooooo
CBS (nfldraftscout) had him 17th overall.
FoxSports said "With their two first-round picks, they drafted two defensive players who had top-15 grades at No. 23 and 25."
SI graded him higher than Trufant. "Highly productive starting player. First round selection."
Rotoworld (NBC) rated him #7 overall of juniors.
I guess these guys are just silly fan sites.
The odds are always with you when you say a pick won't work out well. But I'll go out on the limb and say this guy will be at least a starter and probably see the pro-bowl within a couple of years.
I reserve the right to eat sweet and sour crow though if I'm wrong.
Yeah, CBS is a silly fan site. It's fed by NFLdraftscout.com which is a pretty ghetto website that was created by fans, not scouts.They basically collect news and RSS feeds and coallate data and then have someone "pickem". They were the same geniuses that had everyone thinking Vernon Gholston was worth a first overal.
SI.com takes their rankings from NFP.com, the only one of them that gets I find remotely credible, even though they are staffed mostly by entertainment people.
Rotoworld is a fantasy football website, so again peopled by couchsurfers who made good.
It's a testament to the lack of real reportage that they give those guys creedence of any sort. But anyone with a slick enough presentation and enough hits can get a cheap contract because most sports magazines don't want to hire people to do this full time. The problem is ... out of all of those groups, only ScoutsInc actually does this full time. The rest just show up around draft time and pick a guy with a PC and spare time to put together a board.
Hey, I'd trust Mel Kiper over these people ... he does this all year, and years in advance and has a bunch of people working for him full time.
Niether he nor Scouts had this kid ranked as a first round talent, though one of them had him getting drafted there (there is a difference when you factor positional need and can't assume trades).
I would add, that you are also betting that between Collins, Ryan, Harmon, and Legarette Blount, NE doesn't net a player that is at least as good, or some combination that is equivalent. It's a terrible bet for you ... but I'll take it in a second. For a six pack (if you drink beer) of your choice and mine likewise.
Will bet the sixpack z. What the hell, it's a hunch. And I would gladly buy you a beer for the interesting content you have provided the last few years here anyway.
Hey, give me some credit. I did call out Talib as having a huge impact on the D when you asked the question last year. Sometimes a 6th sense is better than stats, scouting and film.