No Relief From Mankins or Wilfork......Yet

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    No Relief From Mankins or Wilfork......Yet

    http://bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/new_england_patriots/2014/03/no_relief_from_logan_mankins_vince_wilfork

    "The Patriots hit the start of free agency yesterday with roughly $15 million in salary cap space with which to work.

    Should the team need more space, it doesn’t appear it will be coming via a restructuring of Logan Mankins’ contract.

    Mankins would be a logical place to look for a deal to be reworked in order to gain some relief, given the left guard has a $10 million cap hit. However, per a source, “It’s not going to happen.”

    All’s quiet on the Vince Wilfork front, as well. While there have been reports about the defensive tackle being approached by the team about his $11.6 million cap hit, and about doing something with the final year of his deal, everything, at least for the moment, remains status quo.

    Should the need arise, the Patriots still have other avenues to pursue to shave off cap money if they begin signing players to lucrative deals. The Pats just have to keep the top 51 contracts beneath the $133 million salary cap threshold when rosters are set before Week 1 of the 2014 season."

     

     
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    This is what happens when you hard nose negotiations and force players to get into battles over every dime in their contract. When it comes time to ask them for relief they give you the middle finger and say, remember last time.

     
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    Cut Wilfork. Mankins can make an argument for staying put, but Wilfork needs to get off the books. Same with Soap.

     
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    In response to PatsEng's comment:

    This is what happens when you hard nose negotiations and force players to get into battles over every dime in their contract. When it comes time to ask them for relief they give you the middle finger and say, remember last time.



    The middle finger strategy works for the players who are in their prime and have delivered last year without significant injuries.  For others, they take their chances.

     
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    yeah, suprised we haven't heard much yet on this....

     
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    Mankins is tough to cut, since he creates 8 million in dead money.  Hes got more leverage than Wilfork now.  Wilfork, though, may decide to walk if Pats get cheap and see how he does elsewhere.  Or maybe he'll just retire. On a personal level, that might be smart.  Too much risk to his long term health now.

     

    I'm not sure the "we need you to restructure so we can get better players" plea will work as well after the Brady restructure and subsequent moves with receivers last year. 

     

     
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    This is what happens when you hard nose negotiations and force players to get into battles over every dime in their contract. When it comes time to ask them for relief they give you the middle finger and say, remember last time.




    I think they should both restructure their deals. Wilfork is supposedly the "model" Patriot, therefore he should lead by example. I just don't understand how he is a "leader" when he is choosing money over putting the best team on the field by renegotiating his contract. Same with Mankins. Mankins has been hurt before and Wilfork missed most of last year. We don't even know how he is gonna play after the Achilles injury from last year.

     
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    In response to PatsEng's comment:

    This is what happens when you hard nose negotiations and force players to get into battles over every dime in their contract. When it comes time to ask them for relief they give you the middle finger and say, remember last time.




    I think they should both restructure their deals. Wilfork is supposedly the "model" Patriot, therefore he should lead by example. I just don't understand how he is a "leader" when he is choosing money over putting the best team on the field by renegotiating his contract. Same with Mankins. Mankins has been hurt before and Wilfork missed most of last year. We don't even know how he is gonna play after the Achilles injury from last year.



    You can think that all you want but they don't play for the laundry they play for money. Let me ask you though, would BB take less money to get better sub coaches? If the answer is no way do you expect it of players. Don't forget their loyality is to their families not to their team. Not to mention how much cr@p they had to go through with the Pats to get those deals to begin with

     
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    In response to nightrider495's comment:

    In response to PatsEng's comment:

    This is what happens when you hard nose negotiations and force players to get into battles over every dime in their contract. When it comes time to ask them for relief they give you the middle finger and say, remember last time.




    I think they should both restructure their deals. Wilfork is supposedly the "model" Patriot, therefore he should lead by example. I just don't understand how he is a "leader" when he is choosing money over putting the best team on the field by renegotiating his contract. Same with Mankins. Mankins has been hurt before and Wilfork missed most of last year. We don't even know how he is gonna play after the Achilles injury from last year.



    You can think that all you want but they don't play for the laundry they play for money. Let me ask you though, would BB take less money to get better sub coaches? If the answer is no way do you expect it of players. Don't forget their loyality is to their families not to their team. Not to mention how much cr@p they had to go through with the Pats to get those deals to begin with



    If you say so man. I just disagree. That's exactly what's wrong with sports today. A lot of overpaid babies.

     
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    Mankins already declined a contract restructure as reported yesterday. 

     
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    IT WOULD TAKE BALLS TO CUT WILFORK .

     
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    http://bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/new_england_patriots/2014/03/no_relief_from_logan_mankins_vince_wilfork

    "The Patriots hit the start of free agency yesterday with roughly $15 million in salary cap space with which to work.

    Should the team need more space, it doesn’t appear it will be coming via a restructuring of Logan Mankins’ contract.

    Mankins would be a logical place to look for a deal to be reworked in order to gain some relief, given the left guard has a $10 million cap hit. However, per a source, “It’s not going to happen.”

    All’s quiet on the Vince Wilfork front, as well. While there have been reports about the defensive tackle being approached by the team about his $11.6 million cap hit, and about doing something with the final year of his deal, everything, at least for the moment, remains status quo.

    Should the need arise, the Patriots still have other avenues to pursue to shave off cap money if they begin signing players to lucrative deals. The Pats just have to keep the top 51 contracts beneath the $133 million salary cap threshold when rosters are set before Week 1 of the 2014 season."

     



    Why hasn't Sopoaga been released?  That freees up around $3 million.  This is a real head scratcher.

     
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    Why hasn't Sopoaga been released?  That freees up around $3 million.  This is a real head scratcher.



     
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    Why hasn't Sopoaga been released?  That freees up around $3 million.  This is a real head scratcher.



    BB wanted to draft Soap but he was taken before the pick BB targetted him with. Now BB has him and would look like an idiot if he cut him after trading for him, esp since they don't really have any other DT's other than 2 aging players coming off major injures. Sometimes BB just needs to take one for the team, swallow his ego, and admit mistakes.

     
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    cut mankins and trade down during the draft... select a G with the 38 - 40 pick. then draft a DT.

    extend VW and give him a little pay cut !

     
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    players shouldn't restructure.  don't offer a contract you can't handle

     
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    In response to TFB12's comment:

    In response to David233's comment:


    Why hasn't Sopoaga been released?  That freees up around $3 million.  This is a real head scratcher.





    THEY HAVE A PLAN... THEY MUST !!! LETS WAIT A COUPLE DAYS !!!! :( SAD BUT TRUE

     
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    In response to auchhhhhhhhhhh's comment:

    cut mankins and trade down during the draft... select a G with the 38 - 40 pick. then draft a DT.

    extend VW and give him a little pay cut !



    Cutting Mankins would only save $2mil and create another hole on a team that has more holes than draft picks currently. That wouldn't work and would make the team much worse. Mankins has all the leverage on this one and is telling BB to stuff it after their last contract negotiations.

     
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    Re: No Relief From Mankins or Wilfork......Yet

    Wilfork 4 games , 9 tackles.  Take a new deal or take a walk. No hard feelings, that is just how this league works.  It is about the team you can put on the field, and he and Mankins are close to being "old men".

     
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