No Running Game & A Poor Defense Means about 10 Wins

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    Defense is important. A dominant running game is not. You need to run well enough that teams respect it. That's about it.
     
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    [QUOTE]The Pats Have no Credible Threat at the RB Position  so They have to be Excellent on 1st and 2nd Down to over come..  The O against the Rams starters will be the norm more often than not...  Brady lit up the Rams Backups The Defense does not have 1 consistant playmaker.. if none emerge this season the pats will have problems getting D off the Field. plus the Dline is thin. They needed to address the pass rush D-Line and Saftey and RB they did not.. You need players to win in the NFL Schemeing will not get it done..  belicheck has not schemed a SB win since he lost his playmakers on Defense  back in 05 The 1's against the 1's for 3 qtrs is closer to the real pats than the 2 preseason games against teams they were already practicing with
    Posted by DBCoach[/QUOTE]

    How about a season where they went 18 and 1 you moron!
     
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    How about a season where they went 18 and 1 you moron!

     And what do we remember about 18-1  the 1 

    look back at that season and check the scores and margin of victory as the season went along  they made the SB but were winning close games at the end of the season and in the playoffs as teams figured them out and the Giants exposed them

    Als the Defense was a little better back then as they had a few play makers... Harrison Samuel Vrabel  and a deeper D Line
     
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    [QUOTE]The Pats Have no Credible Threat at the RB Position  so They have to be Excellent on 1st and 2nd Down to over come..  The O against the Rams starters will be the norm more often than not...  Brady lit up the Rams Backups The Defense does not have 1 consistant playmaker.. if none emerge this season the pats will have problems getting D off the Field. plus the Dline is thin. They needed to address the pass rush D-Line and Saftey and RB they did not.. You need players to win in the NFL Schemeing will not get it done..  belicheck has not schemed a SB win since he lost his playmakers on Defense  back in 05 The 1's against the 1's for 3 qtrs is closer to the real pats than the 2 preseason games against teams they were already practicing with
    Posted by DBCoach[/QUOTE]


    The most entertaining comment is that the Offense against the Rams is going to be the norm. =D 

    Why wasn't that the norm against the Saints or Falcons? =D 
    And we never needed a replacement at the safety position. We have Meriweather and Chung will be the guy who lines up next to him. And Belichick hasn't schemed a SB since he lost his playmakers in '05? Who did Belichick lose in '05? Willie Mac left in '06 and everybody else was replaced last year. 

    I swear... 

     
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    [QUOTE]The Pats Have no Credible Threat at the RB Position  so They have to be Excellent on 1st and 2nd Down to over come..  The O against the Rams starters will be the norm more often than not...  Brady lit up the Rams Backups The Defense does not have 1 consistant playmaker.. if none emerge this season the pats will have problems getting D off the Field. plus the Dline is thin. They needed to address the pass rush D-Line and Saftey and RB they did not.. You need players to win in the NFL Schemeing will not get it done..  belicheck has not schemed a SB win since he lost his playmakers on Defense  back in 05 The 1's against the 1's for 3 qtrs is closer to the real pats than the 2 preseason games against teams they were already practicing with
    Posted by DBCoach[/QUOTE]

    Even with all the negatives you then go on to say 10 wins.  I think the Pats will win 10 or 11 games and win the division.  I do not see a 13 to 14 win team out there this year (in the whole league).  I think 12 wins tops this year for best record.
     
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    [QUOTE]How about a season where they went 18 and 1 you moron!  And what do we remember about 18-1  the 1  look back at that season and check the scores and margin of victory as the season went along  they made the SB but were winning close games at the end of the season and in the playoffs as teams figured them out and the Giants exposed them Als the Defense was a little better back then as they had a few play makers... Harrison Samuel Vrabel  and a deeper D Line
    Posted by DBCoach[/QUOTE]

    That was a problem with the offense, idiot! What does Belichick's defensive schemes have to do with the margin of victory? What an idiot! Name the "playmakers" on defense in 2007? Asante Samuel...AND?
     
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    Why wasn't that the norm against the Saints or Falcons? =D 

    Because they practiced against these teams before they played them did not practice against the rams  so they did not have a trial run

    Who did Belichick lose in '05? Willie Mac left in '06 and everybody else was replaced last year. 

    he has since lost Harrison Samuael Vrabel Brushi Semour... remember those players 

    Harrison Intimidator
    Samuael Playmaker
    Brushi Playmaker
    Vrabel Playmaker
     
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    What does some running game and good defense mean?
     
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    Even with all the negatives you then go on to say 10 wins

    There are not many if any dominant teams in the NFL.. especially in the AFC  The Pats O with Brady and The TE will help...  But they won't be able to run when they Have to  they will get yards with good play calling

    they sweep Buf and Split with NY and MIA so there is about half the wins
     
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    "Because they practiced against these teams before they played them did not practice against the rams  so they did not have a trial run"

    Ah yes, those magical one-way practices where the Patriots benefitted and the other team didn't. I lose brain cells after reading posts in this forum.
     
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    [QUOTE]Even with all the negatives you then go on to say 10 wins There are not many if any dominant teams in the NFL.. especially in the AFC  The Pats O with Brady and The TE will help...  But they won't be able to run when they Have to  they will get yards with good play calling they sweep Buf and Split with NY and MIA so there is about half the wins
    Posted by DBCoach[/QUOTE]

    The worst rushing offense in the NFL got to the SB last year...
     
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    THE RB position is a complete and total crapshoot.

    Its rediculous how unpredictable that position is.  There is always a chance that a sixth round draft pick, walk on, or practice squad signee breaks out as a feature back.

    I dont mind having very little invested in the RB position. 

    And Mayo is absolutely a playmaker. So is Bodden. 
     
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    I think it is a new oriental cuisine.... dim some

    Maybe DB is talking about that dirty Sanchez and Ladanions new soup....

    LADANION!!!!!!!!! Yes mom. Why can't you run ow more?

    PMS Mom, every time I play the Patriots I get hurt coming out of the tunnel and sit on the sidelines with my Helmet on.....

    Get this kid a Man-pon. he bleeds for five days every month

    DB you should change you name to DB-no-more aka withoutreviswesuck... withrevisweareaverage..... Unless you talk to our coach "I love it when we are right" RR. Harknocks

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    [QUOTE]What does some running game and good defense mean?
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    Ah yes, those magical one-way practices where the Patriots benefitted and the other team didn't.

    who said the other team didn't benifit


    The worst rushing offense in the NFL got to the SB last year

    with the #1 pass Off and a Defense that ranked near or at the top of the league in TO's  TO's mean extra poss for the offense

    pats will have neither #1 pass O possible but doubt it  and D will not be good

    I'm still giving them 10 wins and possible playoffs ...  just being realistic and  lookin at this years Pats and not past years teams
     
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    Pats had the 12th rated rushing offense in the league last year
     
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    [QUOTE]Why wasn't that the norm against the Saints or Falcons? =D  Because they practiced against these teams before they played them did not practice against the rams  so they did not have a trial run Who did Belichick lose in '05? Willie Mac left in '06 and everybody else was replaced last year.  he has since lost Harrison Samuael Vrabel Brushi Semour... remember those players  Harrison Intimidator Samuael Playmaker Brushi Playmaker Vrabel Playmaker
    Posted by DBCoach[/QUOTE]

    Remember that you said that Belichick hasn't schemed a SB win since he lost his playmakers in '05? He didn't lose one of his playmakers until 2006. And in '07, Harrison, Vrabel, Bruschi and Seymour were not playmakers anymore, if they were, they wouldn't have let Eli Manning beat them. The only 'Playmaker' in the '07 defense was Asante and Adalius when he decided to play. 
     
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    [QUOTE]The Pats Have no Credible Threat at the RB Position  so They have to be Excellent on 1st and 2nd Down to over come..  The O against the Rams starters will be the norm more often than not...  Brady lit up the Rams Backups The Defense does not have 1 consistant playmaker.. if none emerge this season the pats will have problems getting D off the Field. plus the Dline is thin. They needed to address the pass rush D-Line and Saftey and RB they did not.. You need players to win in the NFL Schemeing will not get it done..  belicheck has not schemed a SB win since he lost his playmakers on Defense  back in 05 The 1's against the 1's for 3 qtrs is closer to the real pats than the 2 preseason games against teams they were already practicing with
    Posted by DBCoach[/QUOTE]

    Tough as it is to resist, I'll refrain from commenting on the writer of this inane drivel.  Suffice it to say the post offers little if any substance and bases its conclusions on one preseason football game.  Enough said?
     
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    Remember that you said that Belichick hasn't schemed a SB win since he lost his playmakers in '05? He didn't lose one of his playmakers until 2006. And in '07, Harrison, Vrabel, Bruschi and Seymour were not playmakers anymore, if they were, they wouldn't have let Eli Manning beat them. The only 'Playmaker' in the '07 defense was Asante and Adalius when he decided to play. 

    Thanks for making My point could not have said it better  before 05 they were playmakers  hence 3 SB's

    after 05 few to no playmakers on D hence 0 SB's


    Offense Sells Tickets Defense Wins Championships

    the Saints with all that O needed a Defensive play at the end of the Conf Championship and SB to win

    the Pats with all that O in 05 did not make the Defensive play to win a SB
     
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    [QUOTE]Ah yes, those magical one-way practices where the Patriots benefitted and the other team didn't. who said the other team didn't benifit The worst rushing offense in the NFL got to the SB last year with the #1 pass Off and a Defense that ranked near or at the top of the league in TO's  TO's mean extra poss for the offense pats will have neither #1 pass O possible but doubt it  and D will not be good I'm still giving them 10 wins and possible playoffs ...  just being realistic and  lookin at this years Pats and not past years teams
    Posted by DBCoach[/QUOTE]

    1.)You did, you said the Pats benefited from playing their opponents in practice, but they didn't seem to have anything on the Pats. 

    2.) The Colts defense was 12th in TOs last season, not 1st. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to No Running Game & A Poor Defense Means about 10 Wins : Tough as it is to resist, I'll refrain from commenting on the writer of this inane drivel.  Suffice it to say the post offers little if any substance and bases its conclusions on one preseason football game.  Enough said?
    Posted by ATJ[/QUOTE]

    The lack of Running game is more importatnt this year cause the D is weak .. The Run game is needed for TOP  (time of Poss) as the D will have probs getting off the field


    lets look at this years team not teams of the past
     
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    [QUOTE]Remember that you said that Belichick hasn't schemed a SB win since he lost his playmakers in '05? He didn't lose one of his playmakers until 2006. And in '07, Harrison, Vrabel, Bruschi and Seymour were not playmakers anymore, if they were, they wouldn't have let Eli Manning beat them. The only 'Playmaker' in the '07 defense was Asante and Adalius when he decided to play.  Thanks for making My point could not have said it better  before 05 they were playmakers  hence 3 SB's after 05 few to no playmakers on D hence 0 SB's Offense Sells Tickets Defense Wins Championships the Saints with all that O needed a Defensive play at the end of the Conf Championship and SB to win the Pats with all that O in 05 did not make the Defensive play to win a SB
    Posted by DBCoach[/QUOTE]

    BUT, Belichick schemed the 2007 defense into an Asante Samuel pick (one of those valuable 'playmakers') to immortality. Had one of your 'playmakers' made a play maybe were would be celebrating 19-0. AND your 'playmaker' gave up the David Tyree long ball. 

    On the Saints, it's clear that the better offense won that SB. The better defense lost. Sooo???


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: No Running Game & A Poor Defense Means about 10 Wins : 1.)You did, you said the Pats benefited from playing their opponents in practice, but they didn't seem to have anything on the Pats.  2.) The Colts defense was 12th in TOs last season, not 1st. 
    Posted by 49Patriots[/QUOTE]

    was talking bout the saints D the Colts Lost the SB  
     
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    <<The lack of Running game is more importatnt this year cause the D is weak .. The Run game is needed for TOP  (time of Poss) as the D will have probs getting off the field


    lets look at this years team not teams of the past />>

    Huh??  How can you possibly assess this year's team when no one (not even you, oh learned one) has actually seen one game that actually counts?
     
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    [QUOTE]<<The lack of Running game is more importatnt this year cause the D is weak .. The Run game is needed for TOP  (time of Poss) as the D will have probs getting off the field lets look at this years team not teams of the past /> /> Huh??  How can you possibly assess this year's team when no one (not even you, oh learned one) has actually seen one game that actually counts?
    Posted by ATJ[/QUOTE]

    the same way you are predicting they will be better than I say....  if you didn't feel that way you would not have responded...

    just look at the roster....

    they are thin at O line and D line shakey at RB with consistantly hurt Taylor and Morris.   Maroney is what he is  

    and if you read my first post I said if no one emerges on D......

    You need players to win the pats have few period
     

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