No Silver Lining In Patriots' Aura of Desperation

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    Obviously BB expending nearly his entire draft on D and making a last minute trade for a talented but troubled defender clearly shows he isn't thinking any differently than what every sober fan is thinking; this defense has been a catstrophe waiting to happen.

    Hopefully his dramatic moves on bahalf of the D since the last SB will pay off at some point before Brady is in a rocking chair.

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    Ras Dowling our 6'1" big corner got hurt, BB made a move to replace him with a player with the exact same size and range who is basically a one year rental.  This is a "win now" move, playing Troy Brown or Edelmen at corner is a desperate move... this isn't.

     

     
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    I just wish we could face a Tim Tebow in the playoffs again this season (totall gift) and then a Baltimore offense that consisted of a running back and a receiver (of course getting a gift from the football gods doesn't help either...see, Sterling Moore).

    As long as that happens I like our chances of getting to the Super Bowl. AS long as we are at home. Of course it wouldn't hurt if we could go against a blind quarterback...is there any of them in the NFL? It would be better if he was blind and armless - yeah that might work.

     
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    It's not just that the defense was better, it's also that TB can no longer throw the ball like he used to.  

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    Any proof of that contention?

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    I disagree strongly that Brady can't throw the ball like he used to. He is as good as he has ever been. He makes up up for a lot of mediocrity around him.

     
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    We should look back on 2003-2004 since people here (some who probably started watching football around that time) hold that as the bench mark of what a defense should be...

    2003

    31 points allowed week 1

    30 points week 5

    26 points week 9

    34 points week 13

    29 points in the Super Bowl

    2004

    34 points given up in week 8

    28 points in week 14

    29 points in week 15

    27 points and 24 points in the AFC title game and Super Bowl

    Ahh... the memories, how dominant and perfect we were... sigh.

    Get a grip people, the NFL has made offense a priority, scoring has exploded with the rise in yellow flags on ALL defense's.  Your memories of how great the past was has mixed with your imagination.  Oh yeah we weren't a high flying run and shoot passing team back then either, that's how we won Super Bowls; being a smashmouth run first, run hard team and playing the time of possession game.... kind of like how we do now.

     

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    these numbers mean squat...it's who you are playing and when combined the ability to make stops in the clutch when it counts that defines a winning D from a losing one

    Jets last season had a good D statistically and didn't make one big stop when it counted all year

     

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    So go away until playoff time and give us your assesment of our defense then?

     
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    Last year's putrid, horrible defense gave up fewer points in Super Bowl than any of those championship years except for 2001...  tell us again how it's the defense's fault the offense didn't score in the 4th quarter and turned it over twice.

    The defense played well in the 1st quarter yesterday, then they stopped playing well; I'm not here to defend them especially when they don't play well.  That being said there are also positives like run defense and forced turnovers.  

    Those defenses back then also gave up yards, middle of the pack as far as passing yards go, this defense needs to get better on third downs and rushing the passer, but there has been week to week improvements and they'll be judged on their complete body of work and more importantly how they play in the post season.  

    I happen to believe BB plays his defensive players conservatively and plays situational defense, we cushion leads and ride them out hoping our defense will execute and keep their offense inbounds and the clock running, we don't shut them down on defense as much as wait them out.  We have only one "max contract" player on defense and that's Wilfork who plays nearly every down, almost every other large contract we have are offensive players.  

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    I don't see how people still do not get this. They key to Giants defensive game plan against the Patriots in the Super Bowl was eating up clock and controlling field position. They were able to do this because every time they got ball they were able to move it (their shortest drive of the game was 22 yards and it still lasted 7 plays and took 4:19 off the clock).  BB should have been familiar with the strategy it was how the Giants beat the Bills in the Super Bowl...

    The Giants held the ball for 37 minutes, the Patriots average starting field position was their own 16 yard-line. Their best was their own 29 yard-line. It is not complicated... what is the best way to stop a good offense? You keep the ball away from them...

    They also never turned the ball over. The main thing that has been saving this defense is the turnovers. Without the turnovers, this team could easily be 4-5 or even 3-6. What happens when the other team protects the ball?

     
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    I just wish we could face a Tim Tebow in the playoffs again this season (totall gift) and then a Baltimore offense that consisted of a running back and a receiver (of course getting a gift from the football gods doesn't help either...see, Sterling Moore).

    As long as that happens I like our chances of getting to the Super Bowl. AS long as we are at home. Of course it wouldn't hurt if we could go against a blind quarterback...is there any of them in the NFL? It would be better if he was blind and armless - yeah that might work.

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    mthurl, i dont think most are getting this... so you may be speakign a language almost no one understands

     
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    Last year's putrid, horrible defense gave up fewer points in Super Bowl than any of those championship years except for 2001...  tell us again how it's the defense's fault the offense didn't score in the 4th quarter and turned it over twice.

    The defense played well in the 1st quarter yesterday, then they stopped playing well; I'm not here to defend them especially when they don't play well.  That being said there are also positives like run defense and forced turnovers.  

    Those defenses back then also gave up yards, middle of the pack as far as passing yards go, this defense needs to get better on third downs and rushing the passer, but there has been week to week improvements and they'll be judged on their complete body of work and more importantly how they play in the post season.  

    I happen to believe BB plays his defensive players conservatively and plays situational defense, we cushion leads and ride them out hoping our defense will execute and keep their offense inbounds and the clock running, we don't shut them down on defense as much as wait them out.  We have only one "max contract" player on defense and that's Wilfork who plays nearly every down, almost every other large contract we have are offensive players.  

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    I don't see how people still do not get this. They key to Giants defensive game plan against the Patriots in the Super Bowl was eating up clock and controlling field position. They were able to do this because every time they got ball they were able to move it (their shortest drive of the game was 22 yards and it still lasted 7 plays and took 4:19 off the clock).  BB should have been familiar with the strategy it was how the Giants beat the Bills in the Super Bowl...

    The Giants held the ball for 37 minutes, the Patriots average starting field position was their own 16 yard-line. Their best was their own 29 yard-line. It is not complicated... what is the best way to stop a good offense? You keep the ball away from them...

    They also never turned the ball over. The main thing that has been saving this defense is the turnovers. Without the turnovers, this team could easily be 4-5 or even 3-6. What happens when the other team protects the ball?

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    "What happens when the other team protects the ball?"

    we lose by more 2 scores 

     
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    Re: No Silver Lining In Patriots' Aura of Desperation

    In response to wozzy's comment:
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    Last year's putrid, horrible defense gave up fewer points in Super Bowl than any of those championship years except for 2001...  tell us again how it's the defense's fault the offense didn't score in the 4th quarter and turned it over twice.

    The defense played well in the 1st quarter yesterday, then they stopped playing well; I'm not here to defend them especially when they don't play well.  That being said there are also positives like run defense and forced turnovers.  

    Those defenses back then also gave up yards, middle of the pack as far as passing yards go, this defense needs to get better on third downs and rushing the passer, but there has been week to week improvements and they'll be judged on their complete body of work and more importantly how they play in the post season.  

    I happen to believe BB plays his defensive players conservatively and plays situational defense, we cushion leads and ride them out hoping our defense will execute and keep their offense inbounds and the clock running, we don't shut them down on defense as much as wait them out.  We have only one "max contract" player on defense and that's Wilfork who plays nearly every down, almost every other large contract we have are offensive players.  

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    and how is it working out?

    In the two recent SB, there is plenty of blame to go around; including the offense, defense, special teams, and coaching.  IMO, the coaches clearly did not learn from their regular season games vs. the Giants.  They were outcoached and ouplayed by Coughlin and the Giants.

     

     
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    Re: No Silver Lining In Patriots' Aura of Desperation

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    In response to wozzy's comment:
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    Last year's putrid, horrible defense gave up fewer points in Super Bowl than any of those championship years except for 2001...  tell us again how it's the defense's fault the offense didn't score in the 4th quarter and turned it over twice.

    The defense played well in the 1st quarter yesterday, then they stopped playing well; I'm not here to defend them especially when they don't play well.  That being said there are also positives like run defense and forced turnovers.  

    Those defenses back then also gave up yards, middle of the pack as far as passing yards go, this defense needs to get better on third downs and rushing the passer, but there has been week to week improvements and they'll be judged on their complete body of work and more importantly how they play in the post season.  

    I happen to believe BB plays his defensive players conservatively and plays situational defense, we cushion leads and ride them out hoping our defense will execute and keep their offense inbounds and the clock running, we don't shut them down on defense as much as wait them out.  We have only one "max contract" player on defense and that's Wilfork who plays nearly every down, almost every other large contract we have are offensive players.  

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    I don't see how people still do not get this. They key to Giants defensive game plan against the Patriots in the Super Bowl was eating up clock and controlling field position. They were able to do this because every time they got ball they were able to move it (their shortest drive of the game was 22 yards and it still lasted 7 plays and took 4:19 off the clock).  BB should have been familiar with the strategy it was how the Giants beat the Bills in the Super Bowl...

    The Giants held the ball for 37 minutes, the Patriots average starting field position was their own 16 yard-line. Their best was their own 29 yard-line. It is not complicated... what is the best way to stop a good offense? You keep the ball away from them...

    They also never turned the ball over. The main thing that has been saving this defense is the turnovers. Without the turnovers, this team could easily be 4-5 or even 3-6. What happens when the other team protects the ball?

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    Imagine of we had used that clock controlled mistake free game plan of taking what the defense gives you(the run game) and limiting turnovers? Perhaps we would have hoisted Lombardi number 4??

     
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    It's a fan thing, I think.  Expectations are so high here, just a hint of not meeting them leads to "oh woe are the Pats" even after a win.  What is said about the D so far perfectly echoes what we heard last year, yet, the D is ACTUALLY statistically better than last year and that team made it to the SB.  Go figure!!

     
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    In response to wozzy's comment:
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    Last year's putrid, horrible defense gave up fewer points in Super Bowl than any of those championship years except for 2001...  tell us again how it's the defense's fault the offense didn't score in the 4th quarter and turned it over twice.

    The defense played well in the 1st quarter yesterday, then they stopped playing well; I'm not here to defend them especially when they don't play well.  That being said there are also positives like run defense and forced turnovers.  

    Those defenses back then also gave up yards, middle of the pack as far as passing yards go, this defense needs to get better on third downs and rushing the passer, but there has been week to week improvements and they'll be judged on their complete body of work and more importantly how they play in the post season.  

    I happen to believe BB plays his defensive players conservatively and plays situational defense, we cushion leads and ride them out hoping our defense will execute and keep their offense inbounds and the clock running, we don't shut them down on defense as much as wait them out.  We have only one "max contract" player on defense and that's Wilfork who plays nearly every down, almost every other large contract we have are offensive players.  

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    I don't see how people still do not get this. They key to Giants defensive game plan against the Patriots in the Super Bowl was eating up clock and controlling field position. They were able to do this because every time they got ball they were able to move it (their shortest drive of the game was 22 yards and it still lasted 7 plays and took 4:19 off the clock).  BB should have been familiar with the strategy it was how the Giants beat the Bills in the Super Bowl...

    The Giants held the ball for 37 minutes, the Patriots average starting field position was their own 16 yard-line. Their best was their own 29 yard-line. It is not complicated... what is the best way to stop a good offense? You keep the ball away from them...

    They also never turned the ball over. The main thing that has been saving this defense is the turnovers. Without the turnovers, this team could easily be 4-5 or even 3-6. What happens when the other team protects the ball?

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    Except Brady didn't take a Safety, throw an INT or waste an opp to ice SB 42 by throwing high to a wide open All Pro receiver in Welker.

    So, the D actually performed better in SB 46 considering Brady was worse in SB 46 than he was in SB 42.

    The Giants had the right gameplan, we didn't.   Rein Brady in to win a SB. Pretty clear.

     

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    Zero 3 & outs

    Zero 6 and outs

    Zero picks

    Zero turn-overs

    the field 38 minutes, that's 16 minutres more than the O. Reduced the game to 8 possessions

    Averages a horrendous 4 minutes and 45 seconds per drive.

    Never stopped the gints in their own territory,  not once!

    Horrendous penalties to extend plays

    Rarely got the ball back to the O without allowing a score.  Forced only 3 punts. 5 scores out of 8 drives.

    Allowed a 88 yard last minute TD.

    Allowed Eli a 75%  pass completion and  nearly a perfect QB rating.

    3 inconsequential sacs that resulted in nothing.

    I'm sure I'm forgetting something but, OH YEAH they were awsome!  None Better>!!!!!

    Think that trumps TB's safety (o-line breakdown) and a pick. 

    IT WAS THE WHOLE F"N GAME!

     
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    We should look back on 2003-2004 since people here (some who probably started watching football around that time) hold that as the bench mark of what a defense should be...

    2003

    31 points allowed week 1

    30 points week 5

    26 points week 9

    34 points week 13

    29 points in the Super Bowl

    2004

    34 points given up in week 8

    28 points in week 14

    29 points in week 15

    27 points and 24 points in the AFC title game and Super Bowl

    Ahh... the memories, how dominant and perfect we were... sigh.

    Get a grip people, the NFL has made offense a priority, scoring has exploded with the rise in yellow flags on ALL defense's.  Your memories of how great the past was has mixed with your imagination.  Oh yeah we weren't a high flying run and shoot passing team back then either, that's how we won Super Bowls; being a smashmouth run first, run hard team and playing the time of possession game.... kind of like how we do now.

     

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    these numbers mean squat...it's who you are playing and when combined the ability to make stops in the clutch when it counts that defines a winning D from a losing one

    Jets last season had a good D statistically and didn't make one big stop when it counted all year

     

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    So go away until playoff time and give us your assesment of our defense then?

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    They only allowed 260 points that whole season. Seven times that season they allowed 10 or less points in a game including a playoff win against the record setting Colts. That regular season they only allowed 20 points 6 times. They have allready allowed it seven times so far. Your Belichek is saving it for the playoffs makes no sense. He did not save it for the playoffs that year. He wants a bye, he wants the home field advantage as much as possible. He would not be risking this to hide some secret defense that he has no evidence will even work. Sanchez toasted the defense in 2010 (freaking Sanchez) so his saving it did not work then and it did not seem to work to well against the Giants in the super bowl last year either.

     
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    Wow you'd think we lost three straight, not won three straight...

     
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