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    so says Pete Prisco

    Who's the best coach in the NFL? The worst?

    Which of the Harbaugh brothers ranks higher?

    What new coach ranks highest of the first-year group?

    With the 2013 NFL season approaching, I thought it a good time to rank the NFL's coaches 1-32, a sort of a Power Rankings for coaches.

    1. Bill Belichick, New England Patriots:He has taken the Patriots to the playoffs in 10 of his 13 seasons with the team and has three Super Bowl victories in that time. He has a .726 winning percentage with the Patriots, which helps to erase most of the memories of his Browns years. It helps that he's had Tom Brady, but he's a sensational coach, even if he can sometimes come across as an ogre. With all the off-field issues facing his team now, he might have to be at his best in 2013.

    2. Tom Coughlin, New York Giants: Two Super Bowl victories with the Giants should cement his spot in the Hall. What he did in Jacksonville with that expansion team was as impressive as any new franchise ever. And he's not done. Coughlin is at his best when his team isn't expected to do much, which is a trademark of a great coach. In 17 seasons as a head coach, he has just five where his team finished under .500 and he has seven seasons of double-digit victories.

     

    3. John Harbaugh, Baltimore Ravens: Yes, John. Not Jim. John has that Super Bowl victory now and his team has been a Super contender for much of his stay with in Baltimore. I continue to say that his coaching job in 2012 exceeded the talent level on the field. It was a heck of a job. He's been to the postseason all five of his years with the Ravens, and he's 9-4 in 13 postseason games.

    4. Sean Payton, New Orleans Saints: There is no better offensive mind in the NFL. He is smart, confident and arrogant -- and he coaches that way. His players love that about him. He was sorely missed last year when he sat out with the Bountygate suspension. He can be combative at times, which I kind of like, but there is no denying his smarts when it comes to offensive football. I want him calling my plays.

    5. Mike Tomlin, Pittsburgh Steelers: In six seasons, he's never had a record worse than 8-8, which came in 2012. His overall mark is 63-33 and he's been to two Super Bowls, winning one. The Steelers were .500 last season in large part because of injuries. Tomlin has great rapport with his players and tends to let his coordinators do a lot of the game-day coaching.

    6. Mike McCarthy, Green Bay Packers: Here is another coach who calls a game with confidence. It helps that he has Aaron Rodgers. But McCarthy is a smart offensive coach who has one Super Bowl title and will again be in the mix in 2013. There have been some postseason failures, which keep him from being even higher on the list. He is 47-17 the last four seasons.

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    7. Mike Shanahan, Washington Redskins: He has two Super Bowl victories, but he hasn't won one since 1998. In the 13 seasons since, he's had just five seasons of 10 or more victories. His postseason record is 1-4 in that time. Has he lost his touch? Or will Robert Griffin III help him get it back?

    8. Jim Harbaugh, San Francisco 49ers: In two seasons, he's 24-7-1, which is good for a .774 winning percentage. That's special. He went to the NFC title game in 2011 and came close to winning a Super Bowl last year, losing when a late-game drive failed to get into the end zone. He marches to his own beat, and can be standoffish. He has turned off some of his brethren with his antics. But he can flat-out coach. One question: Do his rah-rah antics wear thin at some point?

    9. Mike Smith, Atlanta Falcons: He is the most successful coach in Falcons history, taking his team to the playoffs in four of his five seasons. In two of those seasons, the Falcons were the No. 1 seed in the conference, only to lose at home. When Smith was hired, some mocked the move. But he has proved to be a great hire for the Falcons. The players respond to his ways, and he has evolved to realize that to win in this league the offense has to be explosive.

    10. Andy Reid, Kansas City Chiefs: He had eight seasons of double-digit victories in 14 years with the Eagles, and he went to postseason nine times and went to the Super Bowl once. He is 10-9 in 19 playoff games. But his team was 4-12 last year, which cost him his job. Reid can coach, even if Eagles fans love to dispute that.

    11. Jeff Fisher, St. Louis Rams: Fisher is 149-128-1 in his career as a head coach. That's impressive. He also took the Tennessee Titans to the Super Bowl, where they lost to the Rams. Amazingly, Fisher has just six seasons of 10 or more victories, the last coming in 2008 with the Titans. He is a hard-nosed coach who loves the running game and defense -- maybe too much.

    12. John Fox, Denver Broncos: He is 94-82 in his career and took the Carolina Panthers to a Super Bowl. He had the best team in 2012, but lost in overtime to the eventual champion Ravens in the playoffs. In 11 seasons as a head coach, Fox has just one where he's won fewer than seven games. He won 13 in 2012.

    13. Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals: In 10 seasons as the Bengals coach, Lewis is 79-80-1, which isn't great. But he has been to the playoffs four times. The problem is he's 0-4 in those games. He has been in the postseason each of the past two years.

    14. Rex Ryan, New York Jets: He thinks he should top the list, which I like. Why not believe you are the best? But he's not in that class. He's done some good things with the Jets -- going to two AFC title games -- but his inability to crank up the offense could ultimately cost him his job.

    15. Pete Carroll, Seattle Seahawks: He's done a nice job in Seattle, and his team is on the rise, but he has just two double-digit winning seasons in seven years as a head coach. His career record also has him only four games over .500. That's just OK. He's a hot coach now, but his record has him ranked in the middle.

     

    16. Gary Kubiak, Houston Texans: He is one of the class acts of coaching. He is even-keeled and never seems to lose it. But there are some who think his stoic ways carry over to his team with the way they play. He seemed on the verge of getting fired when the Texans went 6-10 in 2010, but he's responded to go 22-10 the last two seasons. He does a nice job with that offense.

    17. Leslie Frazier, Minnesota Vikings: He took over as the interim coach in 2010 and has a 16-22 record in 38 games, but the Vikings went 10-6 last season and made the playoffs. Frazier is highly regarded by a lot of longtime coaches, but he's been hurt by so-so quarterback play.

    18. Greg Schiano, Tampa Bay Buccaneers: He did a nice job in his first year with the Bucs last year, getting them to 7-9, but his style seemed to wear on the players some. He has to back off in 2013. If he can, the Bucs could be one of the league surprises.

    19. Chuck Pagano, Indianapolis Colts: His first season as the Colts head coach was marred by his fight with leukemia, which goes way beyond Xs and Os. The way he handled that speaks volumes about the man. Oh, by the way, he's a heck of a coach.

    20. Bruce Arians, Arizona Cardinals: He is a well-respected offensive mind who did a heck of a job when he took over as the interim coach of the Colts last year after Pagano got sick. Arians did a great job running the Steelers offense a few years ago, but somehow was let go. I think he can have some success in Arizona.

    21. Jim Schwartz, Detroit Lions: He is 22-42 in his four seasons with the Lions, with just one winning season. That's not good enough. He is another one who coaches with swagger, but that sometimes spills over to the field. As a defensive mind, you would think his defenses would be better. There is talk of friction between Schwartz and general manager Martin Mayhew, which means one will likely have to go.

    22. Joe Philbin, Miami Dolphins: They didn't want him in Miami, and he seemed to be a bit tight for most of his first year, but he did a solid job as a rookie coach. He is well respected as a football guy. Now he just needs to do something to show he can loosen up, which he did some this offseason. Players like that.

    23. Jason Garrett, Dallas Cowboys: He took over midway through the 2010 season and has a 21-19 record in 40 games with no playoff appearances. He's had two 8-8 seasons, which won't cut it in Dallas. He's also had his share of in-game blunders. His seat is as hot as they come in 2013.

     

    24. Mike Munchak, Tennessee Titans: He is 15-17 in two seasons with the Titans, which is just average. The Titans have had some quarterback issues and he's done a nice job coaching around them. If he doesn't win this year, I would expect a change.

    25. Ron Rivera, Carolina Panthers: He is 13-19 in two seasons with the Panthers, so this is a big one for his career with the team coming up. The Panthers did improve by one game to 7-9 last season, but he might need a playoff berth to keep his job.

    26. Chip Kelly, Philadelphia Eagles: He is a bright, forward-thinking coach who will either revolutionize things or head back to college in three years. Can he adapt what he does to the NFL game? If he does, look out. He coaches without fear.

    27. Dennis Allen, Oakland Raiders: How the heck do you evaluate him on what happened in 2012? He has a clean slate this year, but the Raiders are in rebuild mode. Does he make it to 2014?

    28. Doug Marrone, Buffalo Bills: He is a former offensive line coach and coordinator with the Saints, so he knows offense. He did a nice job as a head coach at Syracuse with a program that was way down. He better hope EJ Manuel is the real deal. He is tied to him now.

    29. Marc Trestman, Chicago Bears: I think he's a bright offensive mind. And Jay Cutler will love him. But my concern is whether he can command the room. He did a nice job as a head coach in Canada, but this is a big difference. Will the players respect his lawyer-like demeanor? If they do, he will be much higher on this list next year.

    30. (tie) Gus Bradley, Jacksonville Jaguars: His first year will be played with a roster limited in talent. So it will be hard to gauge him. But his fiery personality and his smart defensive mind -- see the Seahawks tape from a year ago -- will pay off in the long run. The guy never turns it off, which players love.

    30. (tie) Mike McCoy, San Diego Chargers: He has adapted to a lot of offensive systems and should do a nice job with Philip Rivers. It will help that he has former Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt on staff. McCoy is a rigid, no-nonsense coach. Can he be flexible if need be?

    30. (tie) Rob Chudzinski, Cleveland Browns: He is a smart offensive mind, but I think he sometimes gets too cute. I like giving guys like him a chance to show what they can do. I hope he doesn't change the way he goes about things now that he's a head coach. Creativity is a strong point, as long as he doesn't overuse it.

     
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    Mike Tomlin is so overrated it's comical.  Mike McCarthy is clearly a better coach then he is.



    I disagree completely.  McCarthy is one of the most overrated coaches in football imo.

     
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    My I ask why?  To me, it's he and Payton as the best offensive coaches in the league as head coaches.

    I McCarthy>Tomlin.

    Tomlin would pooop his pants if Dick LeBeau retired. 



    He is a good offensive mind, but having watched a number of Packers games I think his game management and in game adjustments leave a lot to be desired.  As an example I know he's an offensive guy, but the lack of adjustments on defense against SF in the playoffs last season was just embarrassing.

     

     
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    I agree with the comments on McCarthy. For an offensive coach, and with Rodgers at the helm, he has been underwhelming.

    I do like Tomlin. His teams are prepared and always play hard for him. He reminds me of BB when it comes to heartlessness with personel and his ability to reload from players leaving. Also, he has done a very good job bringing BR along to being a top 7 QB in the league...

    I also find Payton too high on the list...great offensive mind, Brees and he are a tough tandem...but what about defense? He has shown zero feel for the defensive part of football, and a talent like Brees will have left the game only getting to one SB. IMO that is on Payton

    I also thought Pete Carroll would be a few spots higher

     
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    How can Belichick be number one?  What has he won since Spygate?  As people on this board will constantly point out, he can't draft his way out of a paper bag.  He drafts people knowing they are going to commit heinous crimes.  He lets Tom Brady do whatever he wants on the field, even though it costs the Patriots Super Bowl wins.  Plus he dresses like a homeless person.  

     
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    How can Belichick be number one?  What has he won since Spygate?  As people on this board will constantly point out, he can't draft his way out of a paper bag.  He drafts people knowing they are going to commit heinous crimes.  He lets Tom Brady do whatever he wants on the field, even though it costs the Patriots Super Bowl wins.  Plus he dresses like a homeless person.  




    What coach has done a better job and kept his team in the hunt every year for the past 12 season?  His team finished 16-0 one season (only time in history), they finished 11-5 the next without the best QB in pro football and started a QB for14 games who had never started a game since he was in high school. 

    He hasn't drafted that well?  Maybe but remember he is always drafting at the back of the draft . . . they traded picks for Moss and Welker (they were better than anyone drafted as receivers) . . . some of his #1 picks: Vince Wolfolk, one of the best DL in football; Logan Mankins an all-pro every year;  Brandon Meriweather, has been an all-pro selection but was traded for more picks; Mayo one of the best young LBs in football an all-pro last year; McCourty was in top three his first year for rookie of the year; Solder, maybe the best right tackle in the game; Chandler Jones, had a solid year as a rookie and will be a force;  Hightower, a solid starter after just one year . . . I'd say the only miss he had in the first round is Maroney, most teams would be more than happy with these picks and expecially since most are picks 25 back.

     
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    Tomlin is not that good. The whole stoic facade he puts off is so phony.  He's a solid coach but a figurehead in my book.  How does a Def Coordinator with the worst pass D of 2006 all of a sudden become headcoaching material.

    Looks like the Rooney Rule went a bit far, IMO. 

    They also go .500 every 3rd year and miss the playoffs.  Dick LeBeau is really the guy there. I also felt Cowher was overrated and it was more of a blue collar image thing that the media and fans fell for there in rough and tough Pittsburgh. Lebeau went to Cincy to try being a head coach, it failed badly, but when he left, Pitt's D got worse. When he came back, they surged back to being a very good D.

    Top 3 underrated coaches in no order:

    Mike Smith

    Andy Reid

    Ken Whisenhunt (Yes, I know he got fired. He did a nice job there with no QB).

     




    I think Andy Reid is very over rated...he really made some bad decsions with personel in Philly the past 4 years, his team quit from underneath him the past 2 years, and for an offensive "guru", he could not get the team to perform with Vick or Foles. (or Kolb)

    Granted, he suffered a major loss on the Def Co ord position, but he really erred in filling the slot...

    BB, season after season lost numerous coaches, including Romeo and CW, yet the train kept rolling. Reid is #10 on reputation only imo.

    I like Mike Smith, but he is #9, which seems pretty appropriate.

    Whiz is not a head coach any more, so he isnt ranked

     
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    Mike Tomlin is so overrated it's comical.  Mike McCarthy is clearly a better coach then he is.

     



    I disagree completely.  McCarthy is one of the most overrated coaches in football imo.

     




    I agree with you on McCarthy.  I think he is highly overrated and I would put Sean Peyton in that category too.  With QB's like Rodgers and Brees you gotta be able to go deeper into the playoffs then they have done in the past.

     
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    Tomlin is not that good. The whole stoic facade he puts off is so phony.  He's a solid coach but a figurehead in my book.  How does a Def Coordinator with the worst pass D of 2006 all of a sudden become headcoaching material.

    Looks like the Rooney Rule went a bit far, IMO. 

    They also go .500 every 3rd year and miss the playoffs.  Dick LeBeau is really the guy there. I also felt Cowher was overrated and it was more of a blue collar image thing that the media and fans fell for there in rough and tough Pittsburgh. Lebeau went to Cincy to try being a head coach, it failed badly, but when he left, Pitt's D got worse. When he came back, they surged back to being a very good D.

    Top 3 underrated coaches in no order:

    Mike Smith

    Andy Reid

    Ken Whisenhunt (Yes, I know he got fired. He did a nice job there with no QB).

     



    The top of the list is easy. It is basically just ranked by number of Super Bowls and how recently you won. 

    Not sure how Reid and Smith are underrated. They are the second and third highest ranked coaches to have not won a Super Bowl. Whisenhunt needs another chance with a better QB to tell how good he is. After Warner retired, the Cardinals really had no one at the position.

    I am confused as to why Mr. Prisco made it sound like we should be surprised that John Harbaugh is ahead of Jim. You could argue that he has actually been the best coach in the NFL since he entered the league. His team has made the playoffs every year. They have never gone one-and-done in them. Three Conference Championships games in that span (most in the NFL) and a Super Bowl Victory. Next year will be his first real test with the roster turnover they had.

    I think Shanahan is the most overrated guy on this list. His two Super Bowls 13 years ago are no longer relevant to the modern NFL.

    Once you get past Fisher on the list things get pretty muddy. Guys like Lewis and Fox have been around a while, but have not done much. Lewis has never won a playoff game. Even though Fox took a team to a Super Bowl, last year he lost on his home field when most people though he had the better team. Maybe Pete Carroll is one of those guys whose is much more successful at his second team. Kubiak's teams have under achieved every year. 

    After that, it gets really grim. Most of the guys are too young (or too inexperienced) to have any idea how good they are. The two stand out towards the bottom of the list to me are Schwartz and Garrett. I am not sure how either one is still employed as a head NFL coach!

     
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    Schwartz has been pretty good. Playoffs for first time in years, two years ago, with no RBs to speak of. Pretty good, IMO.

    GM, Martin Mayhew, has had many mistakes in salary allocation and in the draft. He blew it with Cliff Avril's situation.  Outside of Calvin Johnson and Suh, two slam dunk picks high in the draft, he's made many mistakes.

    They also just lost Cherilus to Indy, when their line was already shaky to begin with there. Also, arguably the toughest division in the league.

    Mayhew is making Schwartz appear worse than you think he is.



    I think he has had a better team than 20 games under .500 over four years. He has had a decent young QB and one of the best offensive players in the NFL for that span. Last years team had much better than 4-12 talent. 

    Basically last year, they were a team that could not score or stop teams when needed. On offense, they were 3rd in total yards, but 17th in points scored. On defense, they were 13th in yards, but 27th in points allowed.

     
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    Tomlin is not that good. The whole stoic facade he puts off is so phony.  He's a solid coach but a figurehead in my book.  How does a Def Coordinator with the worst pass D of 2006 all of a sudden become headcoaching material.

    Looks like the Rooney Rule went a bit far, IMO. 

    They also go .500 every 3rd year and miss the playoffs.  Dick LeBeau is really the guy there. I also felt Cowher was overrated and it was more of a blue collar image thing that the media and fans fell for there in rough and tough Pittsburgh. Lebeau went to Cincy to try being a head coach, it failed badly, but when he left, Pitt's D got worse. When he came back, they surged back to being a very good D.

    Top 3 underrated coaches in no order:

    Mike Smith

    Andy Reid

    Ken Whisenhunt (Yes, I know he got fired. He did a nice job there with no QB).

     

     

     




     

     

    I think Andy Reid is very over rated...he really made some bad decsions with personel in Philly the past 4 years, his team quit from underneath him the past 2 years, and for an offensive "guru", he could not get the team to perform with Vick or Foles. (or Kolb)

    Granted, he suffered a major loss on the Def Co ord position, but he really erred in filling the slot...

    BB, season after season lost numerous coaches, including Romeo and CW, yet the train kept rolling. Reid is #10 on reputation only imo.

    I like Mike Smith, but he is #9, which seems pretty appropriate.

    Whiz is not a head coach any more, so he isnt ranked




    Reid is not the GM in Philly. I think Reid sold Roseman on Vick, and that's on Reid, but Roseman is the guy lobbing those bloated deals to all those players all at once in desperation, not Reid. Reid had some say in personnel, but not all. Roseman is the guy there.

     

    Once again, you are wrong.  You've cornered the market on being wrong.  How does that feel? 

    Finally, I CLEARLY stated I knew that Whisenhunt just got fired but it's because Arians was available after being coach of the year.   I felt Whisenhunt, based on past resumes up through 2012, was actually doing a good job and underrated.

    Hence, why I feel he is underrated.  I decided to throw in an underrated list for discussion purposes, bozo.

    Don't tell me what to do or add in commentary that doesn't push a discussion along. 




    Reid had authority over all personel decisions up until last year. He also chose his entire staff

    WHere did I mention what you should say or not say? Does being wrong so often make you that paranoid?

     
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    Tomlin is not that good. The whole stoic facade he puts off is so phony.  He's a solid coach but a figurehead in my book.  How does a Def Coordinator with the worst pass D of 2006 all of a sudden become headcoaching material.

    Looks like the Rooney Rule went a bit far, IMO. 

    They also go .500 every 3rd year and miss the playoffs.  Dick LeBeau is really the guy there. I also felt Cowher was overrated and it was more of a blue collar image thing that the media and fans fell for there in rough and tough Pittsburgh. Lebeau went to Cincy to try being a head coach, it failed badly, but when he left, Pitt's D got worse. When he came back, they surged back to being a very good D.

    Top 3 underrated coaches in no order:

    Mike Smith

    Andy Reid

    Ken Whisenhunt (Yes, I know he got fired. He did a nice job there with no QB).

     

     

     




     

     

    I think Andy Reid is very over rated...he really made some bad decsions with personel in Philly the past 4 years, his team quit from underneath him the past 2 years, and for an offensive "guru", he could not get the team to perform with Vick or Foles. (or Kolb)

    Granted, he suffered a major loss on the Def Co ord position, but he really erred in filling the slot...

    BB, season after season lost numerous coaches, including Romeo and CW, yet the train kept rolling. Reid is #10 on reputation only imo.

    I like Mike Smith, but he is #9, which seems pretty appropriate.

    Whiz is not a head coach any more, so he isnt ranked




    Reid is not the GM in Philly. I think Reid sold Roseman on Vick, and that's on Reid, but Roseman is the guy lobbing those bloated deals to all those players all at once in desperation, not Reid. Reid had some say in personnel, but not all. Roseman is the guy there.

     

    Once again, you are wrong.  You've cornered the market on being wrong.  How does that feel? 

    Finally, I CLEARLY stated I knew that Whisenhunt just got fired but it's because Arians was available after being coach of the year.   I felt Whisenhunt, based on past resumes up through 2012, was actually doing a good job and underrated.

    Hence, why I feel he is underrated.  I decided to throw in an underrated list for discussion purposes, bozo.

    Don't tell me what to do or add in commentary that doesn't push a discussion along. 

     

     




    Reid had authority over all personel decisions up until last year. He also chose his entire staff

     

     

    WHere did I mention what you should say or not say? Does being wrong so often make you that paranoid?




     

    False.  Roseman has been the GM there for years.  Reid worked in conjunction with Roseman, and final say, but Roseman is responsible for the draft picks, salary, negotiations, etc.  WHo threw the money at Cullen Jenkins, Aso, etc, etc, etc? Wasn't Reid.  All of that is Roseman's job.

    If Roseman was a yes man for Reid, I want Howie Roseman's job. You're a buffoon.  Learn how organizations work within infratstructures, professor.



    prior to last year, every single personel decsion including free agency, draft choices and player cuts was on Reid....salary negotiations were with Roseman...
    Last year those decisions were taken away from Reid

    Reid was exactly the same as BB with GM and coaching responsibilities

    know your stuff before you put your foot in your mouth Corky

     
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    Mike Tomlin is so overrated it's comical.  Mike McCarthy is clearly a better coach then he is.

     

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    All I can say is ==wow== to your college education Crusty.


    Is english a second language for you dumbkoff? Because most of us accomplished english speakers would use "than" in that sentence.

    Always fun to bludgeon our resident spelling/grammar gestapo agent. LMAO@U

     

     
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    Mike Tomlin is so overrated it's comical.  Mike McCarthy is clearly a better coach then he is.




    translation: pittsburgh is a rival so i will go out of my way to knock them and their coach and pile on my one-sided agenda-laden "facts" like they are sub .500 losers a la indianapolis colts, denver broncos and baltimore ravens

    of course you don't say anything about coughlin and the giants-you know better  Kiss

     
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    2nd translation. Schwartz is a BB guy, so even though he sucks as a coach, I will rant that it is the GM Mayhews fault

     
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    Sorry

    Rex is not a HC - doesn't even belong on the list

    He is a Defensive Coordinator

    and even then he is not the best at that


    Pat's Fan lost in Jet Land

     
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    Mike Tomlin is so overrated it's comical.  Mike McCarthy is clearly a better coach then he is.

     




    translation: pittsburgh is a rival so i will go out of my way to knock them and their coach and pile on my one-sided agenda-laden "facts" like they are sub .500 losers a la indianapolis colts, denver broncos and baltimore ravens

     

    of course you don't say anything about coughlin and the giants-you know better  Kiss



    42...no one has peeped about TC at #2....he is clearly in that spot according to BDC

     
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    Mike Tomlin is so overrated it's comical.  Mike McCarthy is clearly a better coach then he is.

     

     

     

    All I can say is ==wow== to your college education Crusty.


    Is english a second language for you dumbkoff? Because most of us accomplished english speakers would use "than" in that sentence.

    Always fun to bludgeon our resident spelling/grammar gestapo agent. LMAO@U

     

     



    Difference is, I know that is a mistake. I point out clear ignorance with grammar when I am being talked down to by a troll.  I like pointing out ironies and ignorant people all in one shot.  Lmao

     



    Most of the times you have pointed out "clear ignorance with grammar" has been the use of then and than.... so eat some crow for once.

     
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    Tomlin is not that good. The whole stoic facade he puts off is so phony.  He's a solid coach but a figurehead in my book.  How does a Def Coordinator with the worst pass D of 2006 all of a sudden become headcoaching material.

    Looks like the Rooney Rule went a bit far, IMO. 

    They also go .500 every 3rd year and miss the playoffs.  Dick LeBeau is really the guy there. I also felt Cowher was overrated and it was more of a blue collar image thing that the media and fans fell for there in rough and tough Pittsburgh. Lebeau went to Cincy to try being a head coach, it failed badly, but when he left, Pitt's D got worse. When he came back, they surged back to being a very good D.

    Top 3 underrated coaches in no order:

    Mike Smith

    Andy Reid

    Ken Whisenhunt (Yes, I know he got fired. He did a nice job there with no QB).

     

     

     




     

     

    I think Andy Reid is very over rated...he really made some bad decsions with personel in Philly the past 4 years, his team quit from underneath him the past 2 years, and for an offensive "guru", he could not get the team to perform with Vick or Foles. (or Kolb)

    Granted, he suffered a major loss on the Def Co ord position, but he really erred in filling the slot...

    BB, season after season lost numerous coaches, including Romeo and CW, yet the train kept rolling. Reid is #10 on reputation only imo.

    I like Mike Smith, but he is #9, which seems pretty appropriate.

    Whiz is not a head coach any more, so he isnt ranked




    Reid is not the GM in Philly. I think Reid sold Roseman on Vick, and that's on Reid, but Roseman is the guy lobbing those bloated deals to all those players all at once in desperation, not Reid. Reid had some say in personnel, but not all. Roseman is the guy there.

     

    Once again, you are wrong.  You've cornered the market on being wrong.  How does that feel? 

    Finally, I CLEARLY stated I knew that Whisenhunt just got fired but it's because Arians was available after being coach of the year.   I felt Whisenhunt, based on past resumes up through 2012, was actually doing a good job and underrated.

    Hence, why I feel he is underrated.  I decided to throw in an underrated list for discussion purposes, bozo.

    Don't tell me what to do or add in commentary that doesn't push a discussion along. 

     

     




    Reid had authority over all personel decisions up until last year. He also chose his entire staff

     

     

    WHere did I mention what you should say or not say? Does being wrong so often make you that paranoid?




     

    False.  Roseman has been the GM there for years.  Reid worked in conjunction with Roseman, and final say, but Roseman is responsible for the draft picks, salary, negotiations, etc.  WHo threw the money at Cullen Jenkins, Aso, etc, etc, etc? Wasn't Reid.  All of that is Roseman's job.

    If Roseman was a yes man for Reid, I want Howie Roseman's job. You're a buffoon.  Learn how organizations work within infratstructures, professor.

     

     



    prior to last year, every single personel decsion including free agency, draft choices and player cuts was on Reid....salary negotiations were with Roseman...
    Last year those decisions were taken away from Reid

     

     

    Reid was exactly the same as BB with GM and coaching responsibilities

    know your stuff before you put your foot in your mouth Corky

     



    False.  Bb has been the only gm and coach in the nfl other than holmgren in the cap era.  Roseman was promoted in 2008 or 2009 I believe.  Reese did bb's contracts here for example.  Roseman was doing that for reid.  Terrible moves from a financial standpoint in recent years.  Reid did sign off on those so he is partially to blame but in in no way did reid have complete and total autonomy in recent years.  It is why roseman was promoted.

     

     

     



    But I said Reid had all personel decisions, not financial. Very similar to BB and Reese. Yet you doubted me and said I was wrong in your usual rude way. You were wrong. 

    Now is the time you back pedal, point out a spelling error and say I am a Jets fan, totally sidestepping that you were wrong

     
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    Mike Tomlin is so overrated it's comical.  Mike McCarthy is clearly a better coach then he is.

     

     

     

    All I can say is ==wow== to your college education Crusty.


    Is english a second language for you dumbkoff? Because most of us accomplished english speakers would use "than" in that sentence.

    Always fun to bludgeon our resident spelling/grammar gestapo agent. LMAO@U

     

     

     

     



    Difference is, I know that is a mistake. I point out clear ignorance with grammar when I am being talked down to by a troll.  I like pointing out ironies and ignorant people all in one shot.  Lmao

     

     

     

     

     



    Most of the times you have pointed out "clear ignorance with grammar" has been the use of then and than.... so eat some crow for once.

     

     

     



    I did.    I am terribly sorry I did not proof read my own work to suit your delicTe sensibilities to even avoid babe and your trolling.

     



    I just point it out becuase people in glass houses... Hell I'm a dyslexic turd brain but I wouldn't call people out then make the same mistakes ;-)   It would be so much better if we could just keep it non- personal and still at least to the topics of debate.  But I do love to point out mild forms of irony.

     
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    Because I see too much statistical evidence that the playoffs are often fixed, I value consistency in the regular season more than trophies. 

    Not that a few regular season games aren't fixed too.  The standard M.O. for a regular season thrown game is when an underdog home team gets a boatload of bogus pass interference calls in their favor.  I know, the Pats are almost never home underdogs. 

    After BB, I move Pete Carroll straight up the list.  It's not what he did in the past with nothing, it's what he's going to do next year that counts. 

    Jim Harbaugh of the 49ers is more consistent than his brother John, except Jim's in the wrong division this year.

    I might include the 2001 Patriots in my list of miracle teams that came out of nowhere to win the 2001 Super Bowl, except they went thundering on in 2002, 2003, 2004 and the nine years after that were no slouch either.  That wasn't luck, that was a good coach slowly putting it all together.  However, a number of modern teams seem to make the playoffs by the skin of their teeth, then they go on cruise control through February, then next September they can't find the football on the field with a pig-sniffing dog.  What's so great about those coaches?  For all I know, maybe the owner forked over a few mil so that he could charge higher seat prices next year.  A trophy in the lobby and a banner will do that for you.  Then again, Sean Payton did his payoffs the old fashioned way, and it worked for him, at least until the next year.  If payoffs to break legs are coaching then Payton might be #4, but Payton was stupid at his payoff game so he drops down the list.

     

     
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    Because I see too much statistical evidence that the playoffs are often fixed, I value consistency in the regular season more than trophies. 

    Not that a few regular season games aren't fixed too.  The standard M.O. for a regular season thrown game is when an underdog home team gets a boatload of bogus pass interference calls in their favor.  I know, the Pats are almost never home underdogs. 

    After BB, I move Pete Carroll straight up the list.  It's not what he did in the past with nothing, it's what he's going to do next year that counts. 

    Jim Harbaugh of the 49ers is more consistent than his brother John, except Jim's in the wrong division this year.

    I might include the 2001 Patriots in my list of miracle teams that came out of nowhere to win the 2001 Super Bowl, except they went thundering on in 2002, 2003, 2004 and the nine years after that were no slouch either.  That wasn't luck, that was a good coach slowly putting it all together.  However, a number of modern teams seem to make the playoffs by the skin of their teeth, then they go on cruise control through February, then next September they can't find the football on the field with a pig-sniffing dog.  What's so great about those coaches?  For all I know, maybe the owner forked over a few mil so that he could charge higher seat prices next year.  A trophy in the lobby and a banner will do that for you.  Then again, Sean Payton did his payoffs the old fashioned way, and it worked for him, at least until the next year.  If payoffs to break legs are coaching then Payton might be #4, but Payton was stupid at his payoff game so he drops down the list.

     




    the playoffs are fixed!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    and the pats "thundered" in 2002? i must haved missed that...besides we all know mike martz handed the pats that game on a silver platter - was it fixed so a team called the "patriots" could win the first sb after 9/11? hmmm...

    nothings fixed-u lost fair and square in both superbowls and in the 06 and 12 AFCCG

    God what a classless sore loser!

    ur whine almost makes me also want to bring up a certain "gate" no other team has ever been accused of but i have never brought it up before and will not do so now-i thought then and still do it was mostly a media creation and won't let a yahoo like u drag me down to ur level

     

     
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    Mike Tomlin is so overrated it's comical.  Mike McCarthy is clearly a better coach then he is.

     

     




    translation: pittsburgh is a rival so i will go out of my way to knock them and their coach and pile on my one-sided agenda-laden "facts" like they are sub .500 losers a la indianapolis colts, denver broncos and baltimore ravens

     

     

    of course you don't say anything about coughlin and the giants-you know better  Kiss

     



    42...no one has peeped about TC at #2....he is clearly in that spot according to BDC

     




    oh i know that rkarp

    that was only really for ol' russ

     
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    Mike Tomlin is so overrated it's comical.  Mike McCarthy is clearly a better coach then he is.

     

     

     




    translation: pittsburgh is a rival so i will go out of my way to knock them and their coach and pile on my one-sided agenda-laden "facts" like they are sub .500 losers a la indianapolis colts, denver broncos and baltimore ravens

     

     

     

    of course you don't say anything about coughlin and the giants-you know better  Kiss

     

     



    42...no one has peeped about TC at #2....he is clearly in that spot according to BDC

     

     

     




    oh i know that rkarp

     

    that was only really for ol' russ



    Been a fan of TC since his Eagles days....had some great times at those games

     
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