Now that Welker's in Denver, will McDaniels have to make big changes in play calling.

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    obviously the offense is going to have to change....pats wont be able to depend on #83 on third downs anymore....but i think they will survive. as far as the playcalling goes, probobaly a more balances attack and more screens to take advantage of not only vereen, but the blocking tight ends gronk, ballard, and hooma. they may turn hern into a receiver and have gronk and ballard line up at the tight end spots.




    i may be wrong but u guys just might find out exactly how unique and durable a player welker was and that replacing him is not as simple as u think

     
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    obviously the offense is going to have to change....pats wont be able to depend on #83 on third downs anymore....but i think they will survive. as far as the playcalling goes, probobaly a more balances attack and more screens to take advantage of not only vereen, but the blocking tight ends gronk, ballard, and hooma. they may turn hern into a receiver and have gronk and ballard line up at the tight end spots.

     




    i may be wrong but u guys just might find out exactly how unique and durable a player welker was and that replacing him is not as simple as u think

     




    i didnt say it was simple. i basically just said they had to change their who offensive strategy just based on one man's departure. that sure aint simple. but i do believe they have the personell to make up for the loss of welker. it obviously isnt going to be easy, but i trust that the pats offense will be ready to put some points up when the season starts. even though i have been disappointed by TB12's play in the playoffs of late, he still is one of the best qb's of all time and has proven time and time again that he can put up points with lesser talented players in his arsenal.

     
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    obviously the offense is going to have to change....pats wont be able to depend on #83 on third downs anymore....but i think they will survive. as far as the playcalling goes, probobaly a more balances attack and more screens to take advantage of not only vereen, but the blocking tight ends gronk, ballard, and hooma. they may turn hern into a receiver and have gronk and ballard line up at the tight end spots.

     




    i may be wrong but u guys just might find out exactly how unique and durable a player welker was and that replacing him is not as simple as u think

     

     




    i didnt say it was simple. i basically just said they had to change their who offensive strategy just based on one man's departure. that sure aint simple. but i do believe they have the personell to make up for the loss of welker. it obviously isnt going to be easy, but i trust that the pats offense will be ready to put some points up when the season starts. even though i have been disappointed by TB12's play in the playoffs of late, he still is one of the best qb's of all time and has proven time and time again that he can put up points with lesser talented players in his arsenal.

     



    fair enough

     
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    obviously the offense is going to have to change....pats wont be able to depend on #83 on third downs anymore....but i think they will survive. as far as the playcalling goes, probobaly a more balances attack and more screens to take advantage of not only vereen, but the blocking tight ends gronk, ballard, and hooma. they may turn hern into a receiver and have gronk and ballard line up at the tight end spots.




    Yeah, #87 will become the new #83....those targets got to go somewhere right....

     
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    obviously the offense is going to have to change....pats wont be able to depend on #83 on third downs anymore....but i think they will survive. as far as the playcalling goes, probobaly a more balances attack and more screens to take advantage of not only vereen, but the blocking tight ends gronk, ballard, and hooma. they may turn hern into a receiver and have gronk and ballard line up at the tight end spots.

     




    Yeah, #87 will become the new #83....those targets got to go somewhere right....

     




    yea, i mean i think TB will do a better job spreading the ball out now, i mean he has to....he doesnt have the perennial 100+ catch receiver anymore....but like you said, more targets for gronk, and also hern and amendola. jones and ballard are the wild cards here. i really think their play will determine how far this offense can go.

     
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    I look at the Seattle game where they barely used Ridley until the last 2 minutes, tried to use Bolden but when a run is stopped for no gain it's like ok now we're just going to spread em out. Brady threw something like 56 times in that game, and surprise, we lost. Wasn't the defenses best day either but the offense had the ball with the lead with less than 3 minutes left. That game drove me insane. I don't see how they can't see that and say okay we have to move away from this.



    I hope your other 16 posts weren't as biased as this one.  Almost seems like it was written by a Brady hating Jets troll.  let's add some facts to the Seattle game.

    1)  Seattle = best home field advantage.

    2)  Raining

    3)  Defensive collapse blows double digit lead Late in game (if that hasn' t been the norm the past 8 years).

    Yeah, F that shrub Brady and HIS Game Plan

     
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    I look at the Seattle game where they barely used Ridley until the last 2 minutes, tried to use Bolden but when a run is stopped for no gain it's like ok now we're just going to spread em out. Brady threw something like 56 times in that game, and surprise, we lost. Wasn't the defenses best day either but the offense had the ball with the lead with less than 3 minutes left. That game drove me insane. I don't see how they can't see that and say okay we have to move away from this.

     



     

    I hope your other 16 posts weren't as biased as this one.  Almost seems like it was written by a Brady hating Jets troll.  let's add some facts to the Seattle game.

    1)  Seattle = best home field advantage.

    2)  Raining

    3)  Defensive collapse blows double digit lead Late in game (if that hasn' t been the norm the past 8 years).

    Yeah, F that shrub Brady and HIS Game Plan




    defense did collapse at the end of that game, but to be fair, brady wasnt the best at the end of that game either.

     
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    Rusty, the most consistent problem I see from the stands is poor pass defense.  I also see an offense that depends heavily on Brady's quick, accurate decision making to succeed.  It would be nice to give Brady more help, but that would require a more complete set of talent, including some real wideouts (which we haven't had since Moss declined) and real running and receiving backs (which we now seem to have but which we didn't have a year or two ago). We also need consistent O line play and fewr injuries to our starters there, especially in the playoffs.  I just don't see Brady or the style of the offense as issues.  I think the problem (to the extent there is one given the offense's high production) is lack of consistent and sufficiently diverse and good talent across all offensive units.  You can get by with a weaker offense when you have an excellent defense.  When you don't have a good defense, though, you're offense always has to be perfect--something impossible even in a better balanced offense than the Pats have.

     

     



    I think starting 4 rookies on D, a lockout and the youngest D in the league in 2012 tie into how a D, ANY NFL team's D in those situations, might not feature a great pass D.

    It's a passing league and any NCAA player now graduating to the NFL in this passing league, is in for a rude awakening by comparison. The Saints, Packers, etc lost key continuity in recent years and feature WORSE pass Ds. Do the math.

    Balt's pass D next year? Will blow. Just watch. Giants lost some key players and continuity, just watch. 

    All these newer defensive players all came in here at the same time. That's your problem, and many others as fans, who clearly have irrational expectations for how fast a D can be pieced together and developed. It's called continuity and you can draft a base from scratch, buy it like the Jets or you can do a little of both. BB has done both, but mostly through the draft and developing UDFA. I know WHY he did this and I love it. Thank you, BB.

    Subsequently and alongside that, we had an offense that literally did our D NO FAVORS in games that were lower scoring and against good Ds. No favors. Christ, you and the Babe/Pezzy camp would demand a minimum of two turnovers by our D (which is what they did the last 2-3 years by the way), in order to even accept the D for what it was.

    This was AS Brady was tossing 2 INTs in those games. He does that, and we can't fall on a fumble, we probably lose, and we do. 

    This is why it became apparent that NE's offense shreds bad or mediocre Ds that play too much zone. When the time comes to combat a good or great D that plays a lot of man, our offense sucks.

    That's correct...Sucks.  Brandon Lloyd put up gaudy stats with lesser QBs. So did Ocho Cinco, so it's not on them.  That was just proved as such.  The "elephant in the room" debates got out of hand, because you, Babe and Pezzy wouldn't concede realities. Not even a 1/6 in the red zone in Seattle with a lead and Brady INTs in a tough place to play would do it. Blowing a lead, started by a Brady INT with 40+ passes in Buffalo, which started these debates, wouldn't do it.

    Apparently, you needed another AFC title game loss or SB loss to be convinced?

    Face it, you're one of many newer fans who became gogly eyed with Brady to the point that you can't analyze things objectively.   You and I have butted heads on some topics and it's because you didn't like what I was saying, but you lost.

    Brady was bad all the way back to the 2007 AFC title game.  He was subpar in SB 42. This isn't a new problem for Brady and the shift from the Weis base to the McDaniels/Brady base.  The other issue that may or not be an issue is that Brady and McDaniels are buddies.

    Weis cracked the whip and ran a different offense.

     

     




    2012 Defense was not the youngest in the league.  Let's get that lie out of the way right now.

    The reason there is zero continuity on D is the constant turn over on D caused by bad draft choices and bad FA pick ups.  Worst than bad, actually.

    BB cannot draft WR's or DB's and the pain is apparent.  Look at his recent BUSTS and there is no other conclusion.  No receivers except Moss and Welker since 2006, is something to be happy about.  Failure to secure even a mediocre back 4 is the elephant in the room.

    Did it really take Parcells telling BB he needed to "FIX THE DAM D", to get the ball rolling?

    Ocho is out of the league because he sucked.

    Lloyd is nothing but a "fluffNnutter" on to his 7th team or is it 8th? 

    Galloway?  Chad Jackson? Taylor Price?  Underwood?  Bug eyes?

    These are the awesome receivers TB has had to work with?  He obviously had no problem developing players like Hern and Gronk who actually have talent.

    The Offense leading the league in DROPS, is not a good thing to lead the league in.  Neither is one of the worst pass D's ever assembled on a SB team.  These are facts that seem to contradict your bloated and biased opinions.

    Yup cuz, all NFL teams win the SB with drops in critical times and defenses that can't even muster one  3 & out or one RZ stop or one of their picks that they are so famous for.  Funny, I can't seem to remember one single team that has won that way.  Can you and your vast  knowledge help me out there?  I do seem to remember teams winning while throwing a pick, though.  Not ideal, but it has and will continue to be done.

    Will there ever be a team that wins without a single defensive 3 & out or rz stop?  Doubt it as it's never been done before.  Reason being is that when your D sucks sooooooo bad, it forces your own QB to have to outplay another QB whose D does not suck sooooooo bad and has an easier task because he is playing against a D that sucks SOOOOOOO bad.

    So YES!  THE QB has to be perfect.

    But you go ahead and keep polishing BB's knobs.  Maybe someday, you'll get that "raise" you "long" for, from him.  Maybe even a little bit of money too.

     

     

     

     
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    I think Rusty and True Champ need to head to Foxboro, corral Bill Belichick and teach him one or two things about how to coach a winning team.  I just want to be there to watch.

     



    A unicycle would be all that's needed for that trip.

     

     
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    obviously the offense is going to have to change....pats wont be able to depend on #83 on third downs anymore....but i think they will survive. as far as the playcalling goes, probobaly a more balances attack and more screens to take advantage of not only vereen, but the blocking tight ends gronk, ballard, and hooma. they may turn hern into a receiver and have gronk and ballard line up at the tight end spots.

     




    i may be wrong but u guys just might find out exactly how unique and durable a player welker was and that replacing him is not as simple as u think

     

     




    Dummy, they're tweaking the offense. Hernandez can play slot, so can Amendola, etc, without taking them off the field.

     

    Welker could ONLY effectively play a great slot role. That's ONE spot on the field.

    Get it?

    0-2 in two SBs, Brady with subpar performances, Welker involved in these games.

     




    Welker caught the exact amount of passes over 20 that Gronk did. (13) Grant it was more games but the idea that Welker can't play out of the slot is rustoic.  The big decline in passes over 20 was fluffNnutter Lloyd and hern.

     
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    I think Rusty and True Champ need to head to Foxboro, corral Bill Belichick and teach him one or two things about how to coach a winning team.  I just want to be there to watch.

     

     



     

    A unicycle would be all that's needed for that trip.

    LOL!!!!  Good one, T.

     




     
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    Rusty, the most consistent problem I see from the stands is poor pass defense.  I also see an offense that depends heavily on Brady's quick, accurate decision making to succeed.  It would be nice to give Brady more help, but that would require a more complete set of talent, including some real wideouts (which we haven't had since Moss declined) and real running and receiving backs (which we now seem to have but which we didn't have a year or two ago). We also need consistent O line play and fewr injuries to our starters there, especially in the playoffs.  I just don't see Brady or the style of the offense as issues.  I think the problem (to the extent there is one given the offense's high production) is lack of consistent and sufficiently diverse and good talent across all offensive units.  You can get by with a weaker offense when you have an excellent defense.  When you don't have a good defense, though, you're offense always has to be perfect--something impossible even in a better balanced offense than the Pats have.

     

     



    I think starting 4 rookies on D, a lockout and the youngest D in the league in 2012 tie into how a D, ANY NFL team's D in those situations, might not feature a great pass D.

    It's a passing league and any NCAA player now graduating to the NFL in this passing league, is in for a rude awakening by comparison. The Saints, Packers, etc lost key continuity in recent years and feature WORSE pass Ds. Do the math.

    Balt's pass D next year? Will blow. Just watch. Giants lost some key players and continuity, just watch. 

    All these newer defensive players all came in here at the same time. That's your problem, and many others as fans, who clearly have irrational expectations for how fast a D can be pieced together and developed. It's called continuity and you can draft a base from scratch, buy it like the Jets or you can do a little of both. BB has done both, but mostly through the draft and developing UDFA. I know WHY he did this and I love it. Thank you, BB.

    Subsequently and alongside that, we had an offense that literally did our D NO FAVORS in games that were lower scoring and against good Ds. No favors. Christ, you and the Babe/Pezzy camp would demand a minimum of two turnovers by our D (which is what they did the last 2-3 years by the way), in order to even accept the D for what it was.

    This was AS Brady was tossing 2 INTs in those games. He does that, and we can't fall on a fumble, we probably lose, and we do. 

    This is why it became apparent that NE's offense shreds bad or mediocre Ds that play too much zone. When the time comes to combat a good or great D that plays a lot of man, our offense sucks.

    That's correct...Sucks.  Brandon Lloyd put up gaudy stats with lesser QBs. So did Ocho Cinco, so it's not on them.  That was just proved as such.  The "elephant in the room" debates got out of hand, because you, Babe and Pezzy wouldn't concede realities. Not even a 1/6 in the red zone in Seattle with a lead and Brady INTs in a tough place to play would do it. Blowing a lead, started by a Brady INT with 40+ passes in Buffalo, which started these debates, wouldn't do it.

    Apparently, you needed another AFC title game loss or SB loss to be convinced?

    Face it, you're one of many newer fans who became gogly eyed with Brady to the point that you can't analyze things objectively.   You and I have butted heads on some topics and it's because you didn't like what I was saying, but you lost.

    Brady was bad all the way back to the 2007 AFC title game.  He was subpar in SB 42. This isn't a new problem for Brady and the shift from the Weis base to the McDaniels/Brady base.  The other issue that may or not be an issue is that Brady and McDaniels are buddies.

    Weis cracked the whip and ran a different offense.

     

     

     




    2012 Defense was not the youngest in the league.  Let's get that lie out of the way right now.

     

    The reason there is zero continuity on D is the constant turn over on D caused by bad draft choices and bad FA pick ups.  Worst than bad, actually.

    BB cannot draft WR's or DB's and the pain is apparent.  Look at his recent BUSTS and there is no other conclusion.  No receivers except Moss and Welker since 2006, is something to be happy about.  Failure to secure even a mediocre back 4 is the elephant in the room.

    Did it really take Parcells telling BB he needed to "FIX THE DAM D", to get the ball rolling?

    Ocho is out of the league because he sucked.

    Lloyd is nothing but a "fluffNnutter" on to his 7th team or is it 8th? 

    Galloway?  Chad Jackson? Taylor Price?  Underwood?  Bug eyes?

    These are the awesome receivers TB has had to work with?  He obviously had no problem developing players like Hern and Gronk who actually have talent.

    The Offense leading the league in DROPS, is not a good thing to lead the league in.  Neither is one of the worst pass D's ever assembled on a SB team.  These are facts that seem to contradict your bloated and biased opinions.

    Yup cuz, all NFL teams win the SB with drops in critical times and defenses that can't even muster one  3 & out or one RZ stop or one of their picks that they are so famous for.  Funny, I can't seem to remember one single team that has won that way.  Can you and your vast  knowledge help me out there?  I do seem to remember teams winning while throwing a pick, though.  Not ideal, but it has and will continue to be done.

    Will there ever be a team that wins without a single defensive 3 & out or rz stop?  Doubt it as it's never been done before.  Reason being is that when your D sucks sooooooo bad, it forces your own QB to have to outplay another QB whose D does not suck sooooooo bad and has an easier task because he is playing against a D that sucks SOOOOOOO bad.

    So YES!  THE QB has to be perfect.

    But you go ahead and keep polishing BB's knobs.  Maybe someday, you'll get that "raise" you "long" for, from him.  Maybe even a little bit of money too.

     

     

     

     



    Pats D was the youngest in the Conference then. Yes. Youngest.

     

    The best part of BB jettisoning Welker is seeing you now overly abuse JUST your Brady doll now since Wes is in Denver.  And watching you become unglued once you come in and ruin the other Pats' fans discussions. Looks like I spoke to soon.

    Brady is not gay, Pezzy.  Just forget it.   No one cares that you wish to be his lover. We just don't care.




    Is that when you started hating hm?  When you found out he wasn't gay?  Yup, I think so.

    We all know you don't like girls.

     
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    I think Rusty and True Champ need to head to Foxboro, corral Bill Belichick and teach him one or two things about how to coach a winning team.  I just want to be there to watch.

     

     



     

    A unicycle would be all that's needed for that trip.

     

     



    Can we stop by your basement and borrow yours?  Because, you know, some of us actually want to win a SB.

     




    .....and with every letter you type we get that much closer.  Thanks for all your hard work and dedication in making the Patriots organization better through your efforts on this board. lol

     
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    LMAO!

     
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    Rusty, the most consistent problem I see from the stands is poor pass defense.  I also see an offense that depends heavily on Brady's quick, accurate decision making to succeed.  It would be nice to give Brady more help, but that would require a more complete set of talent, including some real wideouts (which we haven't had since Moss declined) and real running and receiving backs (which we now seem to have but which we didn't have a year or two ago). We also need consistent O line play and fewr injuries to our starters there, especially in the playoffs.  I just don't see Brady or the style of the offense as issues.  I think the problem (to the extent there is one given the offense's high production) is lack of consistent and sufficiently diverse and good talent across all offensive units.  You can get by with a weaker offense when you have an excellent defense.  When you don't have a good defense, though, you're offense always has to be perfect--something impossible even in a better balanced offense than the Pats have.

     

     



    I think starting 4 rookies on D, a lockout and the youngest D in the league in 2012 tie into how a D, ANY NFL team's D in those situations, might not feature a great pass D.

    It's a passing league and any NCAA player now graduating to the NFL in this passing league, is in for a rude awakening by comparison. The Saints, Packers, etc lost key continuity in recent years and feature WORSE pass Ds. Do the math.

    Balt's pass D next year? Will blow. Just watch. Giants lost some key players and continuity, just watch. 

    All these newer defensive players all came in here at the same time. That's your problem, and many others as fans, who clearly have irrational expectations for how fast a D can be pieced together and developed. It's called continuity and you can draft a base from scratch, buy it like the Jets or you can do a little of both. BB has done both, but mostly through the draft and developing UDFA. I know WHY he did this and I love it. Thank you, BB.

    Subsequently and alongside that, we had an offense that literally did our D NO FAVORS in games that were lower scoring and against good Ds. No favors. Christ, you and the Babe/Pezzy camp would demand a minimum of two turnovers by our D (which is what they did the last 2-3 years by the way), in order to even accept the D for what it was.

    This was AS Brady was tossing 2 INTs in those games. He does that, and we can't fall on a fumble, we probably lose, and we do. 

    This is why it became apparent that NE's offense shreds bad or mediocre Ds that play too much zone. When the time comes to combat a good or great D that plays a lot of man, our offense sucks.

    That's correct...Sucks.  Brandon Lloyd put up gaudy stats with lesser QBs. So did Ocho Cinco, so it's not on them.  That was just proved as such.  The "elephant in the room" debates got out of hand, because you, Babe and Pezzy wouldn't concede realities. Not even a 1/6 in the red zone in Seattle with a lead and Brady INTs in a tough place to play would do it. Blowing a lead, started by a Brady INT with 40+ passes in Buffalo, which started these debates, wouldn't do it.

    Apparently, you needed another AFC title game loss or SB loss to be convinced?

    Face it, you're one of many newer fans who became gogly eyed with Brady to the point that you can't analyze things objectively.   You and I have butted heads on some topics and it's because you didn't like what I was saying, but you lost.

    Brady was bad all the way back to the 2007 AFC title game.  He was subpar in SB 42. This isn't a new problem for Brady and the shift from the Weis base to the McDaniels/Brady base.  The other issue that may or not be an issue is that Brady and McDaniels are buddies.

    Weis cracked the whip and ran a different offense.

     

     

     




    2012 Defense was not the youngest in the league.  Let's get that lie out of the way right now.

     

    The reason there is zero continuity on D is the constant turn over on D caused by bad draft choices and bad FA pick ups.  Worst than bad, actually.

    BB cannot draft WR's or DB's and the pain is apparent.  Look at his recent BUSTS and there is no other conclusion.  No receivers except Moss and Welker since 2006, is something to be happy about.  Failure to secure even a mediocre back 4 is the elephant in the room.

    Did it really take Parcells telling BB he needed to "FIX THE DAM D", to get the ball rolling?

    Ocho is out of the league because he sucked.

    Lloyd is nothing but a "fluffNnutter" on to his 7th team or is it 8th? 

    Galloway?  Chad Jackson? Taylor Price?  Underwood?  Bug eyes?

    These are the awesome receivers TB has had to work with?  He obviously had no problem developing players like Hern and Gronk who actually have talent.

    The Offense leading the league in DROPS, is not a good thing to lead the league in.  Neither is one of the worst pass D's ever assembled on a SB team.  These are facts that seem to contradict your bloated and biased opinions.

    Yup cuz, all NFL teams win the SB with drops in critical times and defenses that can't even muster one  3 & out or one RZ stop or one of their picks that they are so famous for.  Funny, I can't seem to remember one single team that has won that way.  Can you and your vast  knowledge help me out there?  I do seem to remember teams winning while throwing a pick, though.  Not ideal, but it has and will continue to be done.

    Will there ever be a team that wins without a single defensive 3 & out or rz stop?  Doubt it as it's never been done before.  Reason being is that when your D sucks sooooooo bad, it forces your own QB to have to outplay another QB whose D does not suck sooooooo bad and has an easier task because he is playing against a D that sucks SOOOOOOO bad.

    So YES!  THE QB has to be perfect.

    But you go ahead and keep polishing BB's knobs.  Maybe someday, you'll get that "raise" you "long" for, from him.  Maybe even a little bit of money too.

     

     

     

     



    Pats D was the youngest in the Conference then. Yes. Youngest.

     

    The best part of BB jettisoning Welker is seeing you now overly abuse JUST your Brady doll now since Wes is in Denver.  And watching you become unglued once you come in and ruin the other Pats' fans discussions. Looks like I spoke to soon.

    Brady is not gay, Pezzy.  Just forget it.   No one cares that you wish to be his lover. We just don't care.

     




    Is that when you started hating hm?  When you found out he wasn't gay?  Yup, I think so.

     

    We all know you don't like girls.

     




     

    You're the one pining for Brady on this board on a daily basis and moaning above for some guy named "Grant".

    lmao




    Hardly ever mention Brady unless it's in defense of your countinous 24/7/365 bashing.

    I prefer to discuss the pathetic, worst in the NFL, defense because that's what needs fixing.

    Ask Parcells! 

     
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    Re: Now that Welker's in Denver, will McDaniels have to make big changes in play calling.

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    Rusty, the most consistent problem I see from the stands is poor pass defense.  I also see an offense that depends heavily on Brady's quick, accurate decision making to succeed.  It would be nice to give Brady more help, but that would require a more complete set of talent, including some real wideouts (which we haven't had since Moss declined) and real running and receiving backs (which we now seem to have but which we didn't have a year or two ago). We also need consistent O line play and fewr injuries to our starters there, especially in the playoffs.  I just don't see Brady or the style of the offense as issues.  I think the problem (to the extent there is one given the offense's high production) is lack of consistent and sufficiently diverse and good talent across all offensive units.  You can get by with a weaker offense when you have an excellent defense.  When you don't have a good defense, though, you're offense always has to be perfect--something impossible even in a better balanced offense than the Pats have.

     

     



    I think starting 4 rookies on D, a lockout and the youngest D in the league in 2012 tie into how a D, ANY NFL team's D in those situations, might not feature a great pass D.

    It's a passing league and any NCAA player now graduating to the NFL in this passing league, is in for a rude awakening by comparison. The Saints, Packers, etc lost key continuity in recent years and feature WORSE pass Ds. Do the math.

    Balt's pass D next year? Will blow. Just watch. Giants lost some key players and continuity, just watch. 

    All these newer defensive players all came in here at the same time. That's your problem, and many others as fans, who clearly have irrational expectations for how fast a D can be pieced together and developed. It's called continuity and you can draft a base from scratch, buy it like the Jets or you can do a little of both. BB has done both, but mostly through the draft and developing UDFA. I know WHY he did this and I love it. Thank you, BB.

    Subsequently and alongside that, we had an offense that literally did our D NO FAVORS in games that were lower scoring and against good Ds. No favors. Christ, you and the Babe/Pezzy camp would demand a minimum of two turnovers by our D (which is what they did the last 2-3 years by the way), in order to even accept the D for what it was.

    This was AS Brady was tossing 2 INTs in those games. He does that, and we can't fall on a fumble, we probably lose, and we do. 

    This is why it became apparent that NE's offense shreds bad or mediocre Ds that play too much zone. When the time comes to combat a good or great D that plays a lot of man, our offense sucks.

    That's correct...Sucks.  Brandon Lloyd put up gaudy stats with lesser QBs. So did Ocho Cinco, so it's not on them.  That was just proved as such.  The "elephant in the room" debates got out of hand, because you, Babe and Pezzy wouldn't concede realities. Not even a 1/6 in the red zone in Seattle with a lead and Brady INTs in a tough place to play would do it. Blowing a lead, started by a Brady INT with 40+ passes in Buffalo, which started these debates, wouldn't do it.

    Apparently, you needed another AFC title game loss or SB loss to be convinced?

    Face it, you're one of many newer fans who became gogly eyed with Brady to the point that you can't analyze things objectively.   You and I have butted heads on some topics and it's because you didn't like what I was saying, but you lost.

    Brady was bad all the way back to the 2007 AFC title game.  He was subpar in SB 42. This isn't a new problem for Brady and the shift from the Weis base to the McDaniels/Brady base.  The other issue that may or not be an issue is that Brady and McDaniels are buddies.

    Weis cracked the whip and ran a different offense.

     

     

     




    2012 Defense was not the youngest in the league.  Let's get that lie out of the way right now.

     

    The reason there is zero continuity on D is the constant turn over on D caused by bad draft choices and bad FA pick ups.  Worst than bad, actually.

    BB cannot draft WR's or DB's and the pain is apparent.  Look at his recent BUSTS and there is no other conclusion.  No receivers except Moss and Welker since 2006, is something to be happy about.  Failure to secure even a mediocre back 4 is the elephant in the room.

    Did it really take Parcells telling BB he needed to "FIX THE DAM D", to get the ball rolling?

    Ocho is out of the league because he sucked.

    Lloyd is nothing but a "fluffNnutter" on to his 7th team or is it 8th? 

    Galloway?  Chad Jackson? Taylor Price?  Underwood?  Bug eyes?

    These are the awesome receivers TB has had to work with?  He obviously had no problem developing players like Hern and Gronk who actually have talent.

    The Offense leading the league in DROPS, is not a good thing to lead the league in.  Neither is one of the worst pass D's ever assembled on a SB team.  These are facts that seem to contradict your bloated and biased opinions.

    Yup cuz, all NFL teams win the SB with drops in critical times and defenses that can't even muster one  3 & out or one RZ stop or one of their picks that they are so famous for.  Funny, I can't seem to remember one single team that has won that way.  Can you and your vast  knowledge help me out there?  I do seem to remember teams winning while throwing a pick, though.  Not ideal, but it has and will continue to be done.

    Will there ever be a team that wins without a single defensive 3 & out or rz stop?  Doubt it as it's never been done before.  Reason being is that when your D sucks sooooooo bad, it forces your own QB to have to outplay another QB whose D does not suck sooooooo bad and has an easier task because he is playing against a D that sucks SOOOOOOO bad.

    So YES!  THE QB has to be perfect.

    But you go ahead and keep polishing BB's knobs.  Maybe someday, you'll get that "raise" you "long" for, from him.  Maybe even a little bit of money too.

     

     

     

     



    Pats D was the youngest in the Conference then. Yes. Youngest.

     

    The best part of BB jettisoning Welker is seeing you now overly abuse JUST your Brady doll now since Wes is in Denver.  And watching you become unglued once you come in and ruin the other Pats' fans discussions. Looks like I spoke to soon.

    Brady is not gay, Pezzy.  Just forget it.   No one cares that you wish to be his lover. We just don't care.

     




    Is that when you started hating hm?  When you found out he wasn't gay?  Yup, I think so.

     

    We all know you don't like girls.

     




     

    You're the one pining for Brady on this board on a daily basis and moaning above for some guy named "Grant".

    lmao

     




    Hardly ever mention Brady unless it's in defense of your countinous 24/7/365 bashing.

     

    I prefer to discuss the pathetic, worst in the NFL, defense because that's what needs fixing.

    Ask Parcells! 

     



     

    Parcells destroyed every team he ever joined, and then running out 2-3 years later.  He is not one to talk. He has been a horrible cap era GM. Trading for Marshall, drafting Pat White, Ginn, Jake Long, etc, have all been disastrous. Vontae Davis isn't there anymore either.

    Christ, Miami is still trying to fix his gaffes from 2009 and 2010 down there. LOL!

     




    Yet, BB takes his advise.  Hmmmmm

     
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