Ocho Cinco has been released after being arrested

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    I find your claims of false allegation by women against men for domestic violence bogus. The stats and facts  don't bear that out- at all. Yes, I'm sure there is the occasional false alleagation- like everything else. In most situations the reality is much more bleak. Women are subjected to abuse and violence by their spouses/partners with a much higher incidence and a much higher rate of death.
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    Hi Darwk,

    I wont dispute a lot of what you said because I agree with some of it but there are facts and studies that support the fact that the entire court system is lopsided in favor of women and that false rape and other allegations are a lot more prevalent than you might think

    http://www.mediaradar.org/research_on_false_rape_allegations.php

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194032,00.html

    http://www.falserape.net/

    My point was simply to wait until the facts come out before you or anyone else condemns the guy. This in not only about football - this stuff happens every day and too many people always rush to judgement before a person has his or her day in court.

    Peace.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ocho Cinco has been released after being arrested : Hey, there's a 50/50 chance he could be the victim in this, did you ever think about that?  Anyone can be accused of anything, whether it's true or not is a different story.  He could have been in a harmless shouting match with his wife and she head butts him.  Now why should he lose everything for something he didn't do?  Wait to see what facts come out, I would have thought the Dolphins would have stood behind him long enough to find out the facts.
    Posted by TFB12[/QUOTE]

    I acknowledged that in an earlier post. I don't know what happened and really don't care. The fact remains that Johnson is all about Johnson. He doesn't care about the team. I wonder if he even cares much about football. Historically he has been a fool and an irritant throughout his career. It's obvious that these things won't change. It's not so much that the Dolphins kicked him to the curb as he dragged himself there. Let's face it, he simply causes problems wherever he goes. Even ESPN, who loved him for his asinine antics while he was a member of the Bengals, is unlikely to find much entertainment value in them now.

    I have to wonder, what is your investment in this buffoon? Why do you seem to defend him no matter what type of disruptive behavior he displays?


     
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    Stewart-
    Every crime has false allegations. I don't want to get into the weeds with false rape allegations. Appreciate the links you sent. I can see there is an agenda with those who were falsely prosecuted and jailed. It's up to the prosecutors and defense and our justice system to handle these cases. Unfortunately not all goes well with the criminal proceedings. I wish that every case had the right outcome. I don't want anyone falsely accused , or falsely prosecuted or falsely convicted.
    And I want everyone who is a victim violent crime no matter who the perpetrator is to have their day in court and see the criminal sentenced. Justice. We do have an imperfect system.

    I could send links on the other side with horrifyingly high numbers- of very real trauma- underreported rapes, women revictimized when testifying about rapes, rapes not prosecuted, military rapes, date rapes, date rape drugs etc.
    Not good stuff.

    The posts I found troubling- not necessarily yours- are posters who automatically think Chad/Ocho is innocent and his wife must have provoked him or worse "deserved' it.
    No one said those actual words- but came awfully close.
    In reality most domestic violence goes unreported.  Many women who  are assaulted and injured, -oftentimes seriously -and finally come to the attention of law enforcement don't want to press charges.
    There has been a chorus of posters here trashing Evelyn and ignoring Chad/Ocho's profanity laced statements, porn plans, and drugging he recently bragged about. I repeat he has been arrested for domestic violence in his past.

    Now it's up to the DA to press charges based on the evidence they have. 85% of reported domestic violence cases are violence against women. Chad/Ocho could fall in the 15% of violence against men by their female partners.
    It's not looking that way now- evidence should help sort this out. I do think his arrest was based on Evelyn's injury, 911 call, and other evidence.

    VH1 has cancelled Chad/Ocho's and Evelyn's reality show. They are both in a world of hurt. Married just over a month- I don't think either of them wanted this current scenario.

    Below is link -verifiable from multiple government sites on the scope of domestic violence reported in this country.
    I know many real life stories and have witnessed more than my share of this insidious violence and dealt with the aftermath.
    Any and all involved need to be held fully accountable and suffer consequences.
    http://www.ncadv.org/files/DomesticViolenceFactSheet%28National%29.pdf

    There should be zero tolerance for all domestic violence. Men speaking out and up will help end domestic violence. It's the opposite of manly.





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    [QUOTE]I find your claims of false allegation by women against men for domestic violence bogus. The stats and facts  don't bear that out- at all. Yes, I'm sure there is the occasional false alleagation- like everything else. In most situations the reality is much more bleak. Women are subjected to abuse and violence by their spouses/partners with a much higher incidence and a much higher rate of death. RespPosted by darwk[/QUOTE] ======================== Hi Darwk, I wont dispute a lot of what you said because I agree with some of it but there are facts and studies that support the fact that the entire court system is lopsided in favor of women and that false rape and other allegations are a lot more prevalent than you might think http://www.mediaradar.org/research_on_false_rape_allegations.php http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194032,00.html http://www.falserape.net/ My point was simply to wait until the facts come out before you or anyone else condemns the guy. This in not only about football - this stuff happens every day and too many people always rush to judgement before a person has his or her day in court. Peace.
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    [QUOTE]I would say he was wide open many times when he was on the field. I am failry sure not deveopling a rapport in this system and literally being wide open waiting on passes from Brady aren't the same topic.  Look at Mt. Hurl using this as another opportunity to make excuses for bad throws from Brady. Remember when Welker was wide open in the SB on that 2nd down, right up the seam. LMAO You and Babe certainly enjoy walking into doors. 
    Posted by Dusty Bottoms[/QUOTE]

    Dude, two questions for you...one, why did you create a new account? You didn't get banned, did you? And two, what's wrong with you? Seriously. 

    I mean usually you're not this blatantly anti-Brady. It's either not you, or you got fired or something (thus putting you in this terribly bad mood/attitude).
     
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    [QUOTE] The posts I found troubling- not necessarily yours- are posters who automatically think Chad/Ocho is innocent and his wife must have provoked him or worse "deserved' it.
    Posted by darwk[/QUOTE]
    I believe when something like this is reported it is assumed the guy is at fault.  Also, look at the first serveral posts here automatically pointing fingers at Chad.  And I don't recall reading a post where someone comes close to saying his wife deserved it. 

    The thing is wait to judge these two people until you know the facts.  Yes, domestic violence is a horrible, horrible thing.  No woman should be harmed.  But lets not forget how much power they yield, and they know it.  It is so easy for a woman to accuse a man of something false and ruin him.  Not saying that's what happened here but lets not pretend that it's not possible.  Chad has been in the league for how long and not one problem off the field. 

    Chads wife is the one who found the receipt with the condoms listed on it, I'm sure she was not a happy person when she seen that, probably very angry.  Do you think she could have flipped out, head butted him and said he did it so she wouldn't get arrested?  It's very possible, especially seeing how she can flip out!!

    Again, I am not defending anyone here.  If he really did head butt her then I will be first to call him a dirt bag.  But until we know, why judge?  Things like this aren't automatic just because she said so.  Have you not heard recently about the young man named Brian Banks who was falsely accused of rape, spend 5 years in prison, spent the next 5 trying to right this wrong, and then finally gets the accuser to admit she lied.  Amazing! 
     
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    Well it's a good thing he changed his name back. The judge probably would have gone with a harsher penalty just for having to say "Ocho Cinco" in the courtroom.
     
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    [QUOTE]I have to wonder, what is your investment in this buffoon? Why do you seem to defend him no matter what type of disruptive behavior he displays?
    Posted by antibody[/QUOTE]
    What other type of disruptive behavior have I defended Chad on?  The only reason I am here is because the facts have not came out yet and people are rushing to crucify Chad.  Why? Just because she said so and he was arrested?  He must be guilty then....As Ocho would say... Child please!

     
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    It could have been just an accidental bumping of heads. This is the car they were driving, seriously.


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ocho Cinco has been released after being arrested : What other type of disruptive behavior have I defended Chad on?  The only reason I am here is because the facts have not came out yet and people are rushing to crucify Chad.  Why? Just because she said so and he was arrested?  He must be guilty then....As Ocho would say... Child please!
    Posted by TFB12[/QUOTE]

    If you are going to respond to one of my posts, respond to the whole post.
    You still haven't answered the question.
     
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    So he was released after his release?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ocho Cinco arrested : I believe when something like this is reported it is assumed the guy is at fault. 
    Posted by TFB12[/QUOTE]

    So you believe he is guilty and the Dolphins were right in letting him go.

    See. I can play that game too.
     
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    TFB 12
    Hot button issue. Believe it or not women do not wield power in domestic assault and rape cases. In fact it's taken a very long time (centuries) for rape and domestic violence to be recognized as crimes. In many countries around the world women are routinely brutalized by rape and vviolence with no criminal prosecution.
    We do agree that domestic violence should be fully prosecuted.
    Go back and read  posts on this thread- not into pointing fingers- but there were a few whose posts sounded like Evelyn must have deserved it, caused it because he's trashy, mouthy,  whatever.
    All I can say with full conviction is that women are victimized by violence- most often by their male partners at a much higher rate then men- and most of this doesn't get reported.
     I  posted  Stewart facts- and will say the same to you.  I wish no one was  falsely accused, prosecuted, convicted. Unfortunately this happens with every crime.
    But the comparison to the number of women abused, injured, and murdered by domestic violence occurs at a much higher rate than the falsely accused. That is just a fact. And there are many more cases that are not reported at all.
    There are some unfortunate cases like Brian Banks. Glad he was finally sprung. Again our justice system is not perfect. And there are women who lie- just like men.
    For every Brian Banks case here are many many more cases of rape and assualt that don't ever make it to court.

    I appreciate your caution to wait till the facts come out before judging Chad/Ocho. And yeah he may fall in the 15% of men who are abused by their female partners. I dunno.  Yep, maybe the pd made a mistake with his arrest.
    My opinion is it's looking like Chad/Ocho did assault Evelyn. Though I could be wrong.
    Yeah, he has been able to keep his nose clean- at least avoid arrests through his NFL career. The streak has ended. And no one knows what goes on behind closed doors- which is  one of the many reasons domestic violence so hard to prosecute.
    Look at the beating Rhianna took from Chris Brown before he was finally busted. You think that attack was his first act of violence against a woman?

    Women are preyed upon and attacked by males who use their physical strength and size. These men are cowards- and there are far too may of them.
    An example is  our own armed services. In 2010 it's estimated that 19,000 women serving in our military forces were raped or sexually assaulted by their male counter parts. Prosecuting and prosecution is a nightmare.  These are not false allegation, the ffemale soldiers assualted live and face nighmares daily. Secretary of Defense Panetta has called it an epidemic. And it is. Power?









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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ocho Cinco arrested : I believe when something like this is reported it is assumed the guy is at fault.  Also, look at the first serveral posts here automatically pointing fingers at Chad.  And I don't recall reading a post where someone comes close to saying his wife deserved it.  The thing is wait to judge these two people until you know the facts.  Yes, domestic violence is a horrible, horrible thing.  No woman should be harmed.  But lets not forget how much power they yield, and they know it.  It is so easy for a woman to accuse a man of something false and ruin him.  Not saying that's what happened here but lets not pretend that it's not possible.  Chad has been in the league for how long and not one problem off the field.  Chads wife is the one who found the receipt with the condoms listed on it, I'm sure she was not a happy person when she seen that, probably very angry.  Do you think she could have flipped out, head butted him and said he did it so she wouldn't get arrested?  It's very possible, especially seeing how she can flip out!! Again, I am not defending anyone here.  If he really did head butt her then I will be first to call him a dirt bag.  But until we know, why judge?  Things like this aren't automatic just because she said so.  Have you not heard recently about the young man named Brian Banks who was falsely accused of rape, spend 5 years in prison, spent the next 5 trying to right this wrong, and then finally gets the accuser to admit she lied.  Amazing! 
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    I guess he's going into the porn biz afterall. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ocho Cinco has been released after being arrested : If you are going to respond to one of my posts, respond to the whole post. You still haven't answered the question.
    Posted by antibody[/QUOTE]
    What else is there to answer?
     
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    [QUOTE]TFB 12 Hot button issue. Believe it or not women do not wield power in domestic assault and rape cases. In fact it's taken a very long time (centuries) for rape and domestic violence to be recognized as crimes. In many countries around the world women are routinely brutalized by rape and vviolence with no criminal prosecution. We do agree that domestic violence should be fully prosecuted.
    Posted by darwk[/QUOTE]
    Yes, it is a very hot topic.  This is one of those topics I don't like to really discuss because like religion and politics, so many people have such strong views about them that it's nearly impossible to debate.    I hope Chad did not touch or harm his wife, I will not pass judgment on him until he has a chance to defend himself. 
     
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    [QUOTE]It could have been just an accidental bumping of heads. This is the car they were driving, seriously.
    Posted by digger0862[/QUOTE]

    Hahahaha!
     
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    Take it as you will, but 85 does not think before he speaks....Read the comment in green

    Chad Johnson apologizes for “recent events”

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    If you had three days in the “How long will Chad Johnson remain quiet after his arrest?” pool, congratulations.

    Just as we were expressing amazement that Johnson has said nothing since the Saturday-night incident that left his wife with a gash on her forehead, Johnson issued a statement, via his OCNN.com media outlet.

    “I would like to apologize to everyone for the recent events that have occurred,” Johnson said.  “I would like to wish Evelyn well and will never say anything bad about her because I truly love her to death.  I will continue to be positive and train hard for another opportunity in the NFL.  To all the fans and supporters I have disappointed, you have my sincerest apologies.   I will stay positive and get through this tough period in my life.”

    It’s hard not to view the apology as an implicit confession, especially since he has opted not to “say anything bad” about a person who, if Chad’s version of the events is true, told a lie about him that caused his career in the NFL to end, at least for now.

     
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    Chad's wife has filed for divorce. I heard the 911 tape-  Chad & Evelyn's neighbor made the call-  she fled  there with her gashed head and apparently worried that he was looking for her. Evidence is looking like he did assault Evelyn. Chad-Ocho is free falling. A very bad weekend- lost his NFL gig, lost his VH1 show, was arrested and will have some kind of  domestic vioence legal proceeding, and  is getting a divorce less than six weeks after getting married. I think it's unlikely he gets picked up by another team. Maybe next year - and he'll need to prove himself.

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    [QUOTE]Take it as you will, but 85 does not think before he speaks....Read the comment in green. “I would like to  apologize to everyone  for the recent events that have occurred,” Johnson said.  “I would like to wish Evelyn well and will never say anything bad about her because I truly love her to death .   I will continue to be positive and train hard for another opportunity in the NFL.  To all the fans and supporters I have disappointed, you have my sincerest apologies.  
    Posted by Rocky[/QUOTE]
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ocho Cinco arrested : I totally agree with TFB12. If it turns out Chad did it -then shame on him and he deserves to lose his job. But what if his wife head really did head butt him and she made the story up becasue she was peeved at him for cheating? Despite the other alledged incident reported in the Miami paper - the guy deserves his day in court before people implicate him. If people only knew how many instances there are of false accusations made against men by women - you would not so fast to implicate him until all the facts have been reported TFB12 is right when he says women have a big advantage in these matters. All a woman needs to do today is make an accusation of assault (true or not) and the man is arrested - his life is turned upside down - he spends huge dollars to defend himself - his reputation is destroyed - he is humiliated in the town that he lives in and probably loses his job. Now suppose it turns out he didn't do it - dont you think he deserves the chance to defend himself ? 
    Posted by stewart7557[/QUOTE

    Even if Chad was innocent of all charges and she was at fault he is still accountable for having married her and associating with a person prone to violence. If that is the case, then together they have brought shame upon themselves and the Dolphins by the scene created. Furthermore, Chad's irresponsibility with the condoms is what set the incident off. At the very least, Chad is accountable for his role in this mess including allowing an argument to escalate into violence without doing sufficient things to calm the situation down or walk away from the situation peacefully. 

     
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    I always kind of liked Chad, he seemed harmless, but man if the reports are true that she received a three inch gash on her forehead.... I mean three inches?! That's a big cut. You need some force behind you to cause a cut that big. Not good...not good at all. Any abuse is inexcusable, but he really had to of put some force to cause a cut that big.
     
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    What I don't get about it is that if he head butted her and gave her a 3 " er wouldnt he have some kind of a mark on his head?


    http://www.google.com.br/search?q=chad+johnson+mug+shot&hl=pt-BR&rlz=1R2ADRA_enUS440&prmd=imvnso&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Y-QrUKTmEoeV0QHKtYCwAg&ved=0CE0QsAQ&biw=1382&bih=623
     

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