Ocho in OTA's still doesnt know where to line up..how long till hes cut.....

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    Ocho in OTA's still doesnt know where to line up..how long till hes cut.....

    one quote, "ocho is in mid-season from" as in last year.
    as opposed to lloyd who didnt have the same problem.
    gonzalez not on the field 
    vollmer and mankins not there as well.
     stallworth was not impressive apparently 
     
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     Stallworth wasn't very impressive the last time he was here either.
     
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    I hate to continue to beat a dead horse (man punching dead horse.gif) but they should have dumped Ocho and picked up Moss and not even wasted their time with Stallworth.  Either that or start dumping players and go get Wallace now.  To WIN the SB the Patriots need a deep threat, one that will put the fear of God in the defense. 
     
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    [QUOTE] Stallworth wasn't very impressive the last time he was here either.
    Posted by Cyberknot[/QUOTE]

    That statement is 100% false. What did you expect with the likes of Moss, Welker, Gaffney and Watson also there? He was still the third most productive WR on the team.
     
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    Ocho for a seventh....take it in a second. Maby someone will take a chance with his restructured contract
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ocho in OTA's still doesnt know where to line up..how long till hes cut..... : That statement is 100% false. What did you expect with the likes of Moss, Welker, Gaffney and Watson also there? He was still the third most productive WR on the team.
    Posted by CaptainZdeno33[/QUOTE]
    Expected him to catch the ball.
     
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    [QUOTE]I hate to continue to beat a dead horse (man punching dead horse.gif) but they should have dumped Ocho and picked up Moss and not even wasted their time with Stallworth.  Either that or start dumping players and go get Wallace now.  To WIN the SB the Patriots need a deep threat, one that will put the fear of God in the defense. 
    Posted by TFB12[/QUOTE]

    You got that right.
     
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    I'm starting to get sick of this guy - you have an entire off season (spend half of it tweeting) and then the first time the media watches...you jump off sides and don't know where to line up? Disgusting.

     
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    Direct quotes about a few WRs from Bedard's blog (Ocho is first...):

  10. WR Chad Ochocinco seemed to pickup where he left off. Deion Branch had to tell him where to line up at one point, and then Ochocinco went offsides and had to run a lap.
  11. WR Wes Welker had an uneven day catching the ball. (Hurry, somebody go write that he’s being distracted by contract talks! Kidding.) Did find it a little amusing that at one point Brady threw a pass to Welker in the seam that was reminiscent of the Super Bowl play. Brady threw it high – but slightly to the inside this time – and Welker snagged this one while leaving his feet.
  12. WR Brandon Lloyd looks like he’s been living in his offense for a while – which he has in Denver and St. Louis – and a natural. He catches everything with ease. Can definitely see what scouts said -- not a burner but a long strider who can cover ground -- about him.
 
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    [QUOTE]Direct quotes about a few WRs from Bedard's blog (Ocho is first...): WR Chad Ochocinco seemed to pickup where he left off. Deion Branch had to tell him where to line up at one point, and then Ochocinco went offsides and had to run a lap. WR Wes Welker had an uneven day catching the ball. (Hurry, somebody go write that he’s being distracted by contract talks! Kidding.) Did find it a little amusing that at one point Brady threw a pass to Welker in the seam that was reminiscent of the Super Bowl play. Brady threw it high – but slightly to the inside this time – and Welker snagged this one while leaving his feet. WR Brandon Lloyd looks like he’s been living in his offense for a while – which he has in Denver and St. Louis – and a natural. He catches everything with ease. Can definitely see what scouts said -- not a burner but a long strider who can cover ground -- about him.
    Posted by AyyyBoston[/QUOTE]


    thanks ayyy!
     
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    Chad Johnson will stick around until the end of training camp. At that point the Patriot's will release him. If Belichick truly cared about Chad he would have traded or released him a while ago. By the Patriot's releasing him at the end of camp, he has less chance to make another team. Belichick will not forget or forgive the time wasted on Chad Johnson.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ocho in OTA's still doesnt know where to line up..how long till hes cut..... : That statement is 100% false. What did you expect with the likes of Moss, Welker, Gaffney and Watson also there? He was still the third most productive WR on the team.
    Posted by CaptainZdeno33[/QUOTE]

    Sorry CaptainZdeno...Cyberknot's statement is SO dead-on accurate.  Boggles the mind why you would say otherwise...?  By you saying the following statement: "What did you expect with the likes of Moss, Welker, Gaffney, and Watson also there(?)," makes me think you've forgotten somehow All the hoopla that came with that first Stallworth signing...  There were a GREAT many on here, whom believed Stallworth would be the premier stud wide receiver out of ANY of those guys...certainly not "no-name" Welker, and DEFINATELY not "journey man average as average can be," Jabar Gafney, and it was about a 50-50 shot in most people's opinions that very offseason, whether or not a young "rising star" like Stallworth would be the #1 go-to, over ole' "washed-up" Randy Moss...

    Gotta remember the time, and Stallworth was viewed straight across the board, from analyst to fan alike, AS: A Rising potential wideout superstar...  He probably did too-  He signed a 1 year deal (which wasn't one of those cheap "nobody whatsoever wants me" 1 year deals)- And he was "gonna" bl0w things up at wideout in NE's more & more, high-powered O behind HOF'er Tom Brady passing him the ball, Before he inevitably hit pay dirt on the open FA Market at the end of his certain Pro Bowl Season being the star wideout for NE.

    Stallworth got HUGE hype...  Gafney might not even be able to make this team, MOST people thought before the start of that year's camp...  And Stallworth DID drop some serious passes that year...  His very best games were the 1st 3, maybe 4 games of that season (I do remember, he had a couple sick YAC 1 for a huge gain, and the other for a TD).  Still though...please-  On 1st glance it looks like Stallworth had a decent year:  46 Receptions for 697 Yards and 3 TDs...  But'cha gotta remember, that year was an Offensive juggernaut Complete NFL record breaker...  Our RB Kevin Faulk caught 47 Receptions for 383 Yards.  Welker- 112 Recs for 1175 yards and 8 TDs.  Moss with 98 recs for 1493 Yards & 23 TDs...  Watson who from Day 1 all the way up to his last moment playing, Couldn't run 1 single NFL Route correctly to save his life (even by accident it seemed he couldn't), And HE had 36 Recs for 389 Yards & 6 TDs.  Gaffney only had 7 starts (yea- because all the money was on Stallworth early on), And He caught EVERY-thing (it was only the following season when he apparently forgot how to catch for 1 last year in NE apparently):  36 Recs 449 Yards and 5 TDs.


    Lemme put it to you THIS way Captnzedino- Would you be lauding the "amazing accomplishments" of Brandon Lloyd next year, IF this year he had a dozen dropped passes, to go along with his final year-end stats of:  46 Receptions, 697 Yards, and 3 Touchdowns for NE...?  And Lloyd signed a multi-year team-friendly deal w/ NE-  Still not convinced, then Check Stallworth's first 5 NFL Seasons- The guy had almost exactly 3500 Yards Receiving...in his 1st 5 years- And they looked to be going up...26 years old, going on 27, and Stallworth now had someone like Tom Brady passing him the ball to show off how exceptionally good he really was...  He DEFINATELY underperformed...Way later on they washed away Gaffney taking his place due to some "turf toe" or something by Stallworth;  EVERY-one knew that was Belichick being nice 6 months after the fact, because at the time EVERY-one knew that Stallworth wasn't cutting it...not 1 bit-  Not with 1 on 1's verses the opposing team's #2 Cornerback...No Safety help (with Moss), and LBs and SSs focusing far more of their attention towards Welker and his 112 Duct-Tape-for-hands- Receptions and knee breaking headache moves.  Stallworth's 2007 Campaign wideout season for NE, Was the definition of "Underperformance."  Sorry...cyberknot's soooo correct.

       
     
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    Let's relax.  It's OTAs.  If this stuff continues through training camp and preseason, then they'll dump him.  You guys need to relax a little.
     
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  • WR Wes Welker had an uneven day catching the ball. (Hurry, somebody go write that he’s being distracted by contract talks! Kidding.) Did find it a little amusing that at one point Brady threw a pass to Welker in the seam that was reminiscent of the Super Bowl play. Brady threw it high – but slightly to the inside this time – and Welker snagged this one while leaving his feet.


  • This route (just like the SB one) In 99 outta every 100 circumstances, ain't ever 1 of Welker's normal runs...  I would bet any amount of money, that this was Brady's message to his favorite target, which said, "First things first...Let's get that monkey off your back and do an impromptu 'exorcism of SB demons' before we proceed any further my friend."  Even (obviously a speck easier without Pierre Paul in your grill)- Made it STILL a tough catch (needed to leave his feet), but just a teensy bit easier (threw it just a bit more towards the inside- i.e. Wes not needing to make a complete full backwards turn). 

    Please, let's not get into a shouting match about who really was at fault (a-gain)...  Just recognize that this was in all probability, a pretty cool-#ss call for 1 or both of them to put to rest, on this the very 1st OTA.

     
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    I'm not at the OTA's just reading from the comfort of my computer.My impressions thus far is that Lloyd and Gaffney will have no problem inside of this system,Stallworth and Ocho struggle because neither one of them run the correctly called play. Gonzalez isn't ready too even hit the Practice field. The real ringer in the WR group might very well be Edelman. Oh well it's to early to start cutting guys,so I think I'll just sit back and see how everything plays out..I hope Ocho fools us all.Same for Donte..
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ocho in OTA's still doesnt know where to line up..how long till hes cut..... : That statement is 100% false. What did you expect with the likes of Moss, Welker, Gaffney and Watson also there? He was still the third most productive WR on the team.
    Posted by CaptainZdeno33[/QUOTE]

    Agreed 

    The offense in 2007 was more explosive early on partly because Stallworth started outside opposite Moss with Welker in the slot. 

    Stallworth is a burner, is big, strong and averages 15 yards a catch for his career, he has to be respected outside because he can beat single man press and burn you deep. 

    Yes he is kind of a one note wonder compared to Jabar Gaffney but Gaffney can't exploit you downfield the way Donte can, he is more of a possession guy without that extra gear.  See Lloyd with no speed...

    We can use a deep threat, I for one hope Stallworth stays healthy and regains Brady's trust.  I won't surprise me if he gets cut but I hope he gets it together.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ocho in OTA's still doesnt know where to line up..how long till hes cut..... : Sorry CaptainZdeno ... Cyberknot's statement is SO dead-on accurate.  Boggles the mind why you would say otherwise...?  By you saying the following statement: "What did you expect with the likes of Moss, Welker, Gaffney, and Watson also there(?)," makes me think you've forgotten somehow All the hoopla that came with that first Stallworth signing...  There were a GREAT many on here, whom believed Stallworth would be the premier stud wide receiver out of ANY of those guys...certainly not "no-name" Welker, and DEFINATELY not "journey man average as average can be," Jabar Gafney, and it was about a 50-50 shot in most people's opinions that very offseason, whether or not a young "rising star" like Stallworth would be the #1 go-to, over ole' "washed-up" Randy Moss... Gotta remember the time, and Stallworth was viewed straight across the board, from analyst to fan alike, AS: A Rising potential wideout superstar...  He probably did too-  He signed a 1 year deal (which wasn't one of those cheap "nobody whatsoever wants me" 1 year deals)- And he was "gonna" bl0w things up at wideout in NE's more & more, high-powered O behind HOF'er Tom Brady passing him the ball, Before he inevitably hit pay dirt on the open FA Market at the end of his certain Pro Bowl Season being the star wideout for NE. Stallworth got HUGE hype...  Gafney might not even be able to make this team, MOST people thought before the start of that year's camp...  And Stallworth DID drop some serious passes that year...  His very best games were the 1st 3, maybe 4 games of that season (I do remember, he had a couple sick YAC 1 for a huge gain, and the other for a TD).  Still though...please-  On 1st glance it looks like Stallworth had a decent year:  46 Receptions for 697 Yards and 3 TDs...  But'cha gotta remember, that year was an Offensive juggernaut Complete NFL record breaker...  Our RB Kevin Faulk caught 47 Receptions for 383 Yards.  Welker- 112 Recs for 1175 yards and 8 TDs.  Moss with 98 recs for 1493 Yards & 23 TDs...  Watson who from Day 1 all the way up to his last moment playing, Couldn't run 1 single NFL Route correctly to save his life (even by accident it seemed he couldn't), And HE had 36 Recs for 389 Yards & 6 TDs.  Gaffney only had 7 starts (yea- because all the money was on Stallworth early on), And He caught EVERY-thing (it was only the following season when he apparently forgot how to catch for 1 last year in NE apparently):  36 Recs 449 Yards and 5 TDs. Lemme put it to you THIS way Captnzedino- Would you be lauding the "amazing accomplishments" of Brandon Lloyd next year, IF this year he had a dozen dropped passes, to go along with his final year-end stats of:  46 Receptions, 697 Yards, and 3 Touchdowns for NE...?  And Lloyd signed a multi-year team-friendly deal w/ NE-  Still not convinced, then Check Stallworth's first 5 NFL Seasons- The guy had almost exactly 3500 Yards Receiving...in his 1st 5 years- And they looked to be going up...26 years old, going on 27, and Stallworth now had someone like Tom Brady passing him the ball to show off how exceptionally good he really was...  He DEFINATELY underperformed...Way later on they washed away Gaffney taking his place due to some "turf toe" or something by Stallworth;  EVERY-one knew that was Belichick being nice 6 months after the fact, because at the time EVERY-one knew that Stallworth wasn't cutting it...not 1 bit-  Not with 1 on 1's verses the opposing team's #2 Cornerback...No Safety help (with Moss), and LBs and SSs focusing far more of their attention towards Welker and his 112 Duct-Tape-for-hands- Receptions and knee breaking headache moves.  Stallworth's 2007 Campaign wideout season for NE, Was the definition of "Underperformance."  Sorry...cyberknot's soooo correct.    
    Posted by LazarusintheSanatorium[/QUOTE]

    Laz, are you INSANE?

    Stallworth was not the first or the second WR. He was not the third target. He was not expected to even be on the field enough to generate really big numbers. He was there to draw attention away from Moss and to add another deep threat. And he played well. I watched every game. He was solid. Not great. He missed a few. But for the ROLE he played he was JUST FINE THANK YOU. TO have expected more than he produced was to be a fan playing fantasy football. And if you have ever read what I have to say abnout fans mistaking fantasy football for NFL football... well, its a bit like BB's quote about the fact that they still keep score by points in this league.

    You say "Stallworth had a decent year:  46 Receptions for 697 Yards and 3 TDs". Yes decent. Not great. But pretty darn good for someone who was just not going to get a lot of passes his way. He was not going to take any from Moss nor any from Welker. Nor any from Faulk and the other RBs as they were used for quite different sorts of plays. Nor was he taking any away from the TEs because, again, he was in there for a different purpose. If Moss had not been so spectacular then perhaps Stallworth would have had a shot of 60 or 70 catches.

    I do not have any expectations for him this year. I do hope he plays well but if he doesnt even make the team I will nto be surprised. But he had a good, solid year in 07.

     
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    [QUOTE]WR Wes Welker had an uneven day catching the ball. (Hurry, somebody go write that he’s being distracted by contract talks! Kidding.) Did find it a little amusing that at one point Brady threw a pass to Welker in the seam that was reminiscent of the Super Bowl play. Brady threw it high – but slightly to the inside this time – and Welker snagged this one while leaving his feet. This route (just like the SB one) In 99 outta every 100 circumstances, ain't ever 1 of Welker's normal runs...  I would bet any amount of money, that this was Brady's message to his favorite target, which said, "First things first...Let's get that monkey off your back and do an impromptu 'exorcism of SB demons' before we proceed any further my friend."  Even (obviously a speck easier without Pierre Paul in your grill)- Made it STILL a tough catch (needed to leave his feet), but just a teensy bit easier (threw it just a bit more towards the inside- i.e. Wes not needing to make a complete full backwards turn).  Please, let's not get into a shouting match about who really was at fault (a-gain)...  Just recognize that this was in all probability, a pretty cool-#ss call for 1 or both of them to put to rest, on this the very 1st OTA.
    Posted by LazarusintheSanatorium[/QUOTE]

    seems the case

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ocho in OTA's still doesnt know where to line up..how long till hes cut..... : Agreed  The offense in 2007 was more explosive early on partly because Stallworth started outside opposite Moss with Welker in the slot.  Stallworth is a burner, is big, strong and averages 15 yards a catch for his career, he has to be respected outside because he can beat single man press and burn you deep.  Yes he is kind of a one note wonder compared to Jabar Gaffney but Gaffney can't exploit you downfield the way Donte can, he is more of a possession guy without that extra gear.  See Lloyd with no speed... We can use a deep threat, I for one hope Stallworth stays healthy and regains Brady's trust.  I won't surprise me if he gets cut but I hope he gets it together.
    Posted by wozzy[/QUOTE]


    i dotn know how much of that speed he has left at this point wozz.
     
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    [QUOTE]I hate to continue to beat a dead horse (man punching dead horse.gif) but they should have dumped Ocho and picked up Moss and not even wasted their time with Stallworth.  Either that or start dumping players and go get Wallace now.  To WIN the SB the Patriots need a deep threat, one that will put the fear of God in the defense. 
    Posted by TFB12[/QUOTE]

    So eager to critisize.
     
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    Man, I am anxious to see Lloyd line up on game day in this offense.


    Laz, I must admit that most the time your stuff is so long that I barely take the time to skim through it while I continue down the screen looking for shorter posts to read..  But I must say, I have been taking the time lately reading your posts and feel bad that I have probably missed out on some prtty good posts of yours over the years.  Good stuff in this thread, respect!
     
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    I will save all negative comments until preaseason.  I have a good feeling that OCHO will be well liked in this forum this year.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ocho in OTA's still doesnt know where to line up..how long till hes cut..... : Laz, are you INSANE? Stallworth was not the first or the second WR. He was not the third target. He was not expected to even be on the field enough to generate really big numbers. He was there to draw attention away from Moss and to add another deep threat. And he played well. I watched every game. He was solid. Not great. He missed a few. But for the ROLE he played he was JUST FINE THANK YOU. TO have expected more than he produced was to be a fan playing fantasy football. And if you have ever read what I have to say abnout fans mistaking fantasy football for NFL football... well, its a bit like BB's quote about the fact that they still keep score by points in this league. You say "Stallworth had a decent year:  46 Receptions for 697 Yards and 3 TDs". Yes decent. Not great. But pretty darn good for someone who was just not going to get a lot of passes his way. He was not going to take any from Moss nor any from Welker. Nor any from Faulk and the other RBs as they were used for quite different sorts of plays. Nor was he taking any away from the TEs because, again, he was in there for a different purpose. If Moss had not been so spectacular then perhaps Stallworth would have had a shot of 60 or 70 catches. I do not have any expectations for him this year. I do hope he plays well but if he doesnt even make the team I will nto be surprised. But he had a good, solid year in 07.
    Posted by portfolio1[/QUOTE]

    I guess it simply depends on whether you can accurately recall what the beliefs were heading into the 2007 Offseason & free agency as it moved into NE's 2007 Training Camp & preseason.....or not.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ocho in OTA's still doesnt know where to line up..how long till hes cut..... :  Lemme put it to you THIS way Captnzedino- Would you be lauding the "amazing accomplishments" of Brandon Lloyd next year, IF this year he had a dozen dropped passes, to go along with his final year-end stats of:  46 Receptions, 697 Yards, and 3 Touchdowns for NE...?  Posted by LazarusintheSanatorium[/QUOTE]

    Lazzeris, if Lloyd puts up those stats and helps the team win games and make a serious run at the Super Bowl then I'd be thrilled.

    Stallworth did more than you think. He opened the field up for other guys. Faulk caught 50 passes that season, Maroney (that guy everyone hates) and Morris combined for a very capable rushing attack and, well, Moss/Welker were nearly unstoppable. They were more balanced that year because guys like Moss and Stallworth kept defenses on their heels.
     
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