Re: Off Topic: WW2
posted at 1/10/2013 6:16 PM EST
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Why do you wish he was killed? Did you eve consider if he was that a less capable general would have lost many more lives than he did? The Germans revered his military capability.
(I never said anything about "heroes" in the opening post. My WW2 hero is Audie Murphy.)
sorry you're correct i thought you said war hero. none the less patton was scum. too bad we idolize war rather than peace.
Oh, get off your soap box. A guy with a weird mustache wanted to change the world. Take it up with him. This is not the thread for sanctimonious peace rhetoric.
My favorite general is George Washington. Pretty simple choice IMO. Runners up, Grant and John Pershing.
As for WWII, my grandfather drove a tank destroyer under Patton. He was captured by the Germans near Nancy, France in early Sept 1944. The Germans shot everyone else in his tank group, but him. He has no idea why he wasn't shot on the spot. He spent 6 months in 3 different camps, was rescued by the Russians in March of 1945.
He could hear them coming from a mile away, as they were ripped to the bejesus on vodka, apparently. Once they arrived, many prisoners tried to run, but the Russians just shot at anyting that moved.
He has a luger and a French Airman's pistol. The pistol he got in a trade on his way out of the camp before a German guard traded it for some chocolate. Apparently, the Germans actually somewhat followed the rules of the Red Cross. But, the Russian, French, etc, prisoners were treated brutally.
He and a couple of others were told to go east, to avoid the eventual carnage to the west. They rode rail cars in nothing more than t shirts and prison pajama bottoms, etc, and ended up in Odessa, Russia, and then on to Egyp. He and other survivors actually got healthy at Mussolini's retreat in Italy after that. Completely wild.
To this day, he will not talk about the war itself, the battles he was in, etc, and I am not sure I'll ever learn much about that. I tried recording anything he would give up about 10 years ago, but he just wouldn't do it.
As for the video game discussion, the 2002 orginal Medal of Honor is still far and away the best. The ones that followed the orginal (I think it was the original). Call of Duty wasn't as good and the rest were wannabes. One difference was the realistic element of the weapons. The Germans had the best stuff, but it wasn't reliable. Once you picked up the STG44, you were unstoppable.
I stopped playing video games a while ago to devote more time to playning guitar. They are just huge time wasters. The Hitman games may have been the best, though.
Great tales from your gramps. My barber used to tell me some. He said he was in an engineering outfit in the Battle of the Bulge. Most of the troops staioned there were green. It was supposed to be a "quiet" sector. They got orders the panzers were coming and had to blow a bridge. They waited until the German tanks were coming up the road out from some trees and blew the thing to hell, then ran for their lives. He said he was green and scared shytless. My uncle fought in the marines on Iwo and Okinawa. I won't even tell you the things he told me. Let's just say no quarter was asked, and nine was given.
They don't like to talk about it much. Too many friends lost to relive that nasty stuff. Not to mention the sheer terror.
MOH is the best produced of the shooters. And the MP44 was WAY ahead of its time. Hitler forbid it's production so they called it a "machine pistol" to trick him into producing it. It was the first assault rifle and the AK47 was inspired by it. Very interesting are the technical details of what an assault rifle is, how it was developed and why it is better than what came before it (and still the standard today).
MP44 "Machine Pistole" is a subgun - the SG43 "Sturm Gewehr" is the forerunner of the AK
The StG 44 (Sturmgewehr 44, literally "storm (or assault) rifle (model of 1944") was an assault rifle developed in Nazi Germany during World War II that was the first of its kind to see major deployment and is considered by many historians to be the first modern assault rifle. It is also known under the designations MP 43 and MP 44 (Maschinenpistole 43, Maschinenpistole 44 respectively), which denote earlier development versions of the same weapon with some differences like a different butt end, muzzle nut, shape of the front sight base or with an unstepped barrel, all only visible with close inspection. (wikipedia)
As I said, it was first designated a machine pistol to placate Hitler. The whole concept of an assault rifle centers around the intermediate round it shoots.