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    To a greater or lesser degree there is some truth to that.  With all due respect, so what?  Because this country doesn't have an umblemished record in international affairs we should fold our tent and place a giant 'kick me' sign on the Statue of Liberty?

    It is my belief that we remain the greatest nation ever conceived by man with a flawed but still superior system of government.  By my way of thinking it's worth fighting for and I have.  If you disagree, more power to you.  In this country you have the right not only to disagree but to vigorously and publicly state that disagreement.

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    No, I think America should defend itself, and to the extent it can, others.  I just think it should not be going around starting wars like in Iraq and Afghanistan.

     
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    I agree that Iraq was a difficult move to justify and it's still not entirely clear to me the 'why' of it although I do have my suspicions.  Afghanistan is entirely different matter and I will simply leave it there.

     
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    Woah this is freaky.  Whenever I click on this thread, an advertisement for a 1942 WW2 game pops up. 

    Spy much boston.com?

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    Advertisements? Sorry for the IE fail bro!

    Anyhow you can now get BF1942 from Origin for free, but as Babe pointed out it doesn't seem to work well with Windows 7.

    https://www.origin.com/news/get-battlefield-1942-free-from-origin

     
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    It was for the removal of Saddam,Which the two countries that control American Foreign Policy wanted,Israel and Saudia Arabia.See Saddam wanted to take over the Mideast and Africa,or atleast the best parts.Kuwait pays the American president between 4-6 million a Term for protection and to not develope alternative energy sources.Saudia Arabia 8-10 which now goes in Obamas pocket.Iraq did have legitimate claims to Kuwait which was part of Iraq till the British got tired of fighting to steal oil from Mesopotamia and anxed and made Kuwait.Saddam offered to sell America crude oil at half price if they would arm him.Obviously Israel and the Saudias wouldnt let that happen.


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    This pretty much sums it up.  Amazing that the American people are powerless, or seemingly too complacent, to do anything about this.

     
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    Just a note to the interested... in PC games.

     

    The U S Army puts out a game called "America's Army". It is a free shooter of quite high quality. They sponsor it in an effort to recruit.

     

    (As an aside, and not to start an argument... many gun control advocates have beed railing that video games are largely responsible for some of the crazy gun violence. It just strikes me as ironic that the US Armed Forces turns out to be a likely culprit regarding their accusations.)

     
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    coward? I have spent over 17 years in the military, 6 deployments and still going strong, I do that because I love my country, the country you live in (your probably not American or born, since you failed to mention it)and have the freedom to speak and write whatever you want, but instead of being gratefull about it, you talk $#!+ about our past and present heros, and bring up some communist as a hero. Don't like this country or this goverment? It's simple, get the h3!! out it and find a better place that take in cowards like you.

    And my screen name is not you bussiness but I let you know what it is, Is both my kids names togheter, don't need a moniker, not a loser like you.

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    Don't let the virtual soldiers bother you. Just like the fantasy GMs like babe they think they know because they play a game while sitting comfortably on their couches. In reality they lack the nuts to ever serve in real life.

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    I was in the military, nitwit troll.

     
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    Bravo, Babe, for getting this back on track.  A fun thread to be sure.  Hope it continues on the upswing.

    Not a video game player but was honored back in my early Navy days to have served with a couple of WWII submariners. (Yeah, I'm that old)  A special breed, they.  Carried the fight to the Japanese until the industrial capacity of the U.S. could get up to speed.  

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    Those WW2 subs were tiny. Anybody in the area should definitely check out the navy ships in Fall River. They have a WW2 sub there. Great stuff.

     
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    I see rickturd, Every one you think is a "hero" are the only heros right, everyone else are pawns. You never been in a war to know the definition of sacrifice and true hero, patriot..etc. I know why you didn't join the military, you're too much of a coward to be in a real fight, you like to take your fight to a forum near you.

        I'm not saying that everyone in the miltary are or were heros, just saying at least we have the brass to put everything in the line. Unless you have your own bussiness, we are all pawns one way or another we work for someone else interest.

     
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    Why do you wish he was killed? Did you eve consider if he was that a less capable general would have lost many more lives than he did? The Germans revered his military capability.

     

    (I never said anything about "heroes" in the opening post. My WW2 hero is Audie Murphy.)

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    sorry you're correct i thought you said war hero. none the less patton was scum. too bad we idolize war rather than peace.

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    Oh, get off your soap box. A guy with a weird mustache wanted to change the world. Take it up with him.   This is not the thread for sanctimonious peace rhetoric. 

    My favorite general is George Washington. Pretty simple choice IMO.  Runners up, Grant and John Pershing. 

    As for WWII, my grandfather drove a tank destroyer under Patton.  He was captured by the Germans near Nancy, France in early Sept 1944. The Germans shot everyone else in his tank group, but him. He has no idea why he wasn't shot on the spot. He spent 6 months in 3 different camps, was rescued by the Russians in March of 1945. 

    He could hear them coming from a mile away, as they were ripped to the bejesus on vodka, apparently.   Once they arrived, many prisoners tried to run, but the Russians just shot at anyting that moved.

    He has a luger and a French Airman's pistol. The pistol he got in a trade on his way out of the camp before a German guard traded it for some chocolate.  Apparently, the Germans actually somewhat followed the rules of the Red Cross.  But, the Russian, French, etc, prisoners were treated brutally.

    He and a couple of others were told to go east, to avoid the eventual carnage to the west. They rode rail cars in nothing more than t shirts and prison pajama bottoms, etc, and ended up in Odessa, Russia, and then on to Egyp. He and other survivors actually got healthy at Mussolini's retreat in Italy after that.  Completely wild.

    To this day, he will not talk about the war itself, the battles he was in, etc, and I am not sure I'll ever learn much about that. I tried recording anything he would give up about 10 years ago, but he just wouldn't do it.

    As for the video game discussion, the 2002 orginal Medal of Honor is still far and away the best. The ones that followed the orginal (I think it was the original).  Call of Duty wasn't as good and the rest were wannabes.  One difference was the realistic element of the weapons.   The Germans had the best stuff, but it wasn't reliable. Once you picked up the STG44, you were unstoppable.

    I stopped playing video games a while ago to devote more time to playning guitar. They are just huge time wasters.   The Hitman games may have been the best, though.

     

     

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    Great tales from your gramps. My barber used to tell me some. He said he was in an engineering outfit in the Battle of the Bulge. Most of the troops staioned there were green. It was supposed to be a "quiet" sector. They got orders the panzers were coming and had to blow a bridge. They waited until the German tanks were coming up the road out from some trees and blew the thing to hell, then ran for their lives. He said he was green and scared shytless. My uncle fought in the marines on Iwo and Okinawa. I won't even tell you the things he told me. Let's just say no quarter was asked, and nine was given.

    They don't like to talk about it much. Too many friends lost to relive that nasty stuff. Not to mention the sheer terror.

     

    MOH is the best produced of the shooters. And the MP44 was WAY ahead of its time. Hitler forbid it's production so they called it a "machine pistol" to trick him into producing it. It was the first assault rifle and the AK47 was inspired by it. Very interesting are the technical details of what an assault rifle is, how it was developed and why it is better than what came before it (and still the standard today).

     

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    MP44 "Machine Pistole" is a subgun - the SG43 "Sturm Gewehr" is the forerunner of the AK

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    Wrong.


    The StG 44 (Sturmgewehr 44, literally "storm (or assault) rifle (model of 1944") was an assault rifle developed in Nazi Germany during World War II that was the first of its kind to see major deployment and is considered by many historians to be the first modern assault rifle.[4] It is also known under the designations MP 43 and MP 44 (Maschinenpistole 43, Maschinenpistole 44 respectively), which denote earlier development versions of the same weapon with some differences like a different butt end, muzzle nut, shape of the front sight base or with an unstepped barrel, all only visible with close inspection. (wikipedia)

     

    As I said, it was first designated a machine pistol to placate Hitler. The whole concept of an assault rifle centers around the intermediate round it shoots.

     

     

     
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    So many posts from Babe who lacked the nuts to serve. Just like his football knowledge, his military expertise comes from sitting on his duff and playing games.

     
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    So many posts from Babe who lacked the nuts to serve. Just like his football knowledge, his military expertise comes from sitting on his duff and playing games.

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    I started the thread. Did you think I shouldn't post in it?


    I was in the USAF during Veitnam you bonehead.

    Rusty, why don't you question Rusty about his military experience?

     
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    Since we were getting into a bit of WW2 discussion in the avatar thread I thought it might be interesting to take a break from arguing about the run game, defense and Brady's play with this topic.

    To start I'm wondering if any here have ever played what are called "conflict simulations", or "wargames". Avalon Hill, SPI and GDW to name a few published these historical simulation games. Computers have virtually eliminated these types of things, though they were a niche hobby anyway, even in their heyday.

    Anybody like military video games, such as: Company of Heroes, Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, Brothers in Arms, Battlefield etc.? (these aren't to be considered historical)

    Who is your favorite historical military figure? I'm a Patton admirer myself. I imagine there are many who are knowledgeable about his career.

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    GMT makes games that are much better than the Avalon Hill games that I played as a kid with my dad. The dice rolling in Avalon Hill games were too much all or nothing in some games with crazy results. If you liked Avalon Hill games Babe you should check out GMT's web site. The games are rather expensive ( a result of having to stay afloat in a niche market with only a few thousand sales a year) but the artwork is tremendous and they are really well done. There is one called Wilderness War which recreates the French and Indian war which is so well done that my wife has enjoyed playing it. You can play it online also at special websites which lets the computer roll the dice for you (both players need to have their boards set up though to keep track of the action).

     
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    Wow, did not realize so many Pat fans actually are embarrased to be Americans. Someone actually thinks Che Guevara is a hero on this sight. The facts are communist governments have murdered millions more of their own citizins than the American military has managed to kill in all of it's wars combined. America is not perfect but the western democracies allow more freedom than any socialist country has ever allowed.  

     
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    bradley manning = hero

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    I'd be interested in learning what facts to which you have clear and direct access leads you to that conclusion.  Not what you've read from on line sources or any other news media; not what his support network tells you; not what your value system compels you to believe; your direct knowledge of the case, if you please.

    I know what he's been charged with and from what I understand there's quite a bit of evidence to support the charges.  Now what heroic act has this young man committed that leads you to label him a hero?

     
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    You mean Bush 41 wasnt telling the truth when he said the first Iraq war was about "naked aggression" and not about oil??

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    I don't think it was about either one.

    [/QUOTE]It was for the removal of Saddam,Which the two countries that control American Foreign Policy wanted,Israel and Saudia Arabia.See Saddam wanted to take over the Mideast and Africa,or atleast the best parts.Kuwait pays the American president between 4-6 million a Term for protection and to not develope alternative energy sources.Saudia Arabia 8-10 which now goes in Obamas pocket.Iraq did have legitimate claims to Kuwait which was part of Iraq till the British got tired of fighting to steal oil from Mesopotamia and anxed and made Kuwait.Saddam offered to sell America crude oil at half price if they would arm him.Obviously Israel and the Saudias wouldnt let that happen.


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    Be interested in leaning the sources of this information.  The removal of Saddam is pretty much a given.  The rest, well, source please?

     
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    Wow, did not realize so many Pat fans actually are embarrased to be Americans. Someone actually thinks Che Guevara is a hero on this sight. The facts are communist governments have murdered millions more of their own citizins than the American military has managed to kill in all of it's wars combined. America is not perfect but the western democracies allow more freedom than any socialist country has ever allowed.  

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    Pretty much sums up my view.

     
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    bradley manning = hero

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    execute the punk and all like him!!!!

     
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    bradley manning = hero

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    execute the punk and all like him!!!!

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    One of the charges carries with it the potential for the death penalty, if convicted:  Art 104, Aiding the Enemy.  Burden of proof on this one is pretty steep though.  Doubt he'll face capital punishment.  If they haven't already, there'll be a plea bargain.

     
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    Wow, did not realize so many Pat fans actually are embarrased to be Americans. Someone actually thinks Che Guevara is a hero on this sight. The facts are communist governments have murdered millions more of their own citizins than the American military has managed to kill in all of it's wars combined. America is not perfect but the western democracies allow more freedom than any socialist country has ever allowed.  

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    "But everyone else is doing it!"

     

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