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    Since we were getting into a bit of WW2 discussion in the avatar thread I thought it might be interesting to take a break from arguing about the run game, defense and Brady's play with this topic.

    To start I'm wondering if any here have ever played what are called "conflict simulations", or "wargames". Avalon Hill, SPI and GDW to name a few published these historical simulation games. Computers have virtually eliminated these types of things, though they were a niche hobby anyway, even in their heyday.

    Anybody like military video games, such as: Company of Heroes, Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, Brothers in Arms, Battlefield etc.? (these aren't to be considered historical)

    Who is your favorite historical military figure? I'm a Patton admirer myself. I imagine there are many who are knowledgeable about his career.

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    GMT makes games that are much better than the Avalon Hill games that I played as a kid with my dad. The dice rolling in Avalon Hill games were too much all or nothing in some games with crazy results. If you liked Avalon Hill games Babe you should check out GMT's web site. The games are rather expensive ( a result of having to stay afloat in a niche market with only a few thousand sales a year) but the artwork is tremendous and they are really well done. There is one called Wilderness War which recreates the French and Indian war which is so well done that my wife has enjoyed playing it. You can play it online also at special websites which lets the computer roll the dice for you (both players need to have their boards set up though to keep track of the action).

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    The early AH games were not physically appealing nor very accurate historically. Of course Shaw was an early pioneer and the primitive aspects of the games are an expected burden of groundbreaking endeavors.

    After that things got quite excellent with the advent of SPI (whose demise is an interesting story in itself regarding the suspect financial predation of TSR) GDW and others. Even AH stepped up its games in that era.

    Strategy and Tactics magazine from SPI really grew the wargaming hobby expotentially and still exists today. SPI acquired the title and started putting high quality games in the issues.

    http://strategyandtacticsmagazine.com/

     

    I will check out GMT though. Thanks for the tip.

     
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    Be interested in leaning the sources of this information.  The removal of Saddam is pretty much a given.  The rest, well, source please?

    [/QUOTE]Well I actually applied for and received NSA(National Security Agency) Documents starting with ww2.This was ten years ago so now your probably looking at Gitmo.
       Things learned.WW2 funded by Rothchilds(funded all sides) etc,America and Germany has to pay to arm themself I think the going rate was 6 % hence stuff like the Tiger tank being built modular to save money.Also American companies selling av fuel or additives to the Germans during the war to keep their planes going.
       America Arming the Russians and giving material support even thou they considered Communism and Stalin way worse than Hitler,I forget the reason
       1973 Energy crisis was faked because Arab countries wanted to Nationalized the oil companies,in 1973 America produced all the oil it needed and sold the excess to Britian.

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    Please don't be offended but that post raises many more questions than answers.   Be very interested to read some of the citations from those 'documents'.  What were they?  What was their original security classification?  When were they declassified and authorized for release?  What were the sources cited in the documents?  Who were the original government agencies involved?  Were these all 'NSA documents'?  The Rothchild (your spelling) reference is particularly curious for a variety of reasons.

    NSA, eh?  Interesting.

     
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    Wow, did not realize so many Pat fans actually are embarrased to be Americans. Someone actually thinks Che Guevara is a hero on this sight. The facts are communist governments have murdered millions more of their own citizins than the American military has managed to kill in all of it's wars combined. America is not perfect but the western democracies allow more freedom than any socialist country has ever allowed.  

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    It's our duty as Americans to keep a close eye on those in charge, it's why a healthy 2nd Amendment is necessary, but blaming the troops is misguided and stupid.  That being said I'm proud to be American, rebellion and freedom are in our blood, but waving the flag and singing the Star Spangled Banner in my face won't change my opinion on right and wrong.

    Keep in mind that industrialists and bankers don't keep any nation as "home" and have no loyalty to any single country.  American "interests" don't always align with the interests of the people, certainly not the people in the 3rd world being maimed and raped of their resources, but also not of the American people, interest rates and gas prices rise and fall by manipulation of rates that change on a whim.  "We did it for you" doesn't turn a wrong into a right, it's no excuse for evil.

    Also keep in mind the biggest flaw with our Democracy is the lack of term limits, election fraud and allowing corporations the same rights as people, these nameless faceless companies can be evil with little to no consequences.  If we take away the conditions that allow bureaucracy to thrive then we can start down the path of righteousness once more.

     

     
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    Just out of curiosity where did the NSA get thier WWII info? Some other agency had to supply it to them since the agency i beleive  didn't come into being until somewhere after WWII.

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    I was afraid someone would point that out before HonkeyTonkman could respond.  I was pretty much convinced he'd out himself with his reply.

    But since we're already there, HonkeyTonkman's entire post is pure claptrap, if everyone hasn't already figured that one out.

     
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    Or we could just get rid of the bureaucracy and let people go about their lives in peace.

     
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    what's the US? does the US have a market economy? do you use a computer,internet, telecommunications, do you buy things at wal-mart that come in container ships? all of that is developed from public funding, from the state sector. computers and the internet were developed in the state sector before they were handed over to private corporations.. what is that is it communism? pick whatever label you want.

    the core notion of TRADITIONAL SOCIALISM is that working ppl have to be in control of production and communities have to be in control of their own lives. the Soviet Union was the exact opposite of that. the working people had no control over anything, they were virtual slaves. the soviet union was called a socialist society by the 2 major propaganda operations of the world, the US, and the soviets. they both called it socialism for opposite reasons. the west called it socialism in order to defame socialism by associating it with this miserable tyranny in the soviet union. the soviet union called it socialism in order to benefit from the moral appeal that socialism had among the large parts of the world population.

    you ppl don't know squat about actual socialism, or communism, or even democracy for that matter! 

    "the impulse of democracy makes government less powerful and more active; increasing its funtions and decreasing its authority"

    -Samuel P. Huntington - Trilateral Commission Report

     Viva la Che!

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    Many of us fully recognize that we dwell in that cavern of darkness called ignorance while you, of course, reside in the warm, enlightened brilliance that is superior knowledge.  I for one am grateful for you deigning to grace us not only with your presence on this forum but also for sharing your seemingly inexhaustable knowledge on virtually everything.  Why, my heart simply glows.

    Do yourself a favor on two counts: 

    1) Spare yourself further embarrassment and simply stop posting.  It would be comical if it weren't so pathetic; and

    2) Seriously, man, get help.  You clearly have more issues than National Geographic.

     
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    Smedley Butler

    Won the Medal Of Honor twice as well as every other medal there was to win. 

    But his greatest contribution came when he was approached by the (1%) industrialists of the day (Rockerfeller, Harriman, Prescott Bush... yes that Bush)

    who asked him to assemble 500K troops, march on Washington and overthrow the sitting President FDR, destroy democracy as we know it and install a

    new government.  He testified as such before Congress and it is public record through the Freedom Of Information Act.  After years of pilfering on behalf

    of big business he wrote:

    War Is A Racket

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    Yes, The Rockefellers, Harriman and Prescott Bush approached him about that overthrow (this is proven) in that McCormack-Dickstein Report which was intentionally smudged by the Elite with names removed but the full report was found later.

    General Butler actually went along with this plan with no intent to act on it, just listen. He thought it intent to Blackmail just like they did to Woodrow Wilson to push the Federal Reserve Act through. He went on to say that they also wanted Gen MacArthur involved because he was anti-establishment and they could blackmail him as well if the plan did or did'nt work. Meanwhile Gen. Butler secretly reports this overthrow to Senator John McCormack (D-Mass) and future speaker of the House.. The Bankers were not happy with FDR and FDRs assistant was a Banker spy all along. Another thing many people don't know is FDR was the target of an assasin in Miami, 5 bullets missed but one hit his pal standing next to him, he died.

    Our greatest enemy is the enemy within, right in front of our noses. War for Profit has been the main source of Money and power for the International Bankers for years, goes back a long way. Napoleon at Waterloo he had a sure victory made against Wellington but listened to the enemy within his ranks (banker mole). Hard to imagine that a British victory would 'cause' the Rothschilds to own 50% of the Wealth of Great Britain. War made it happen.  Brilliant absolute. Makes ya sick thinking about these slimey SOBs.

    Wish I could talk more about this  .... I don't usually get involved here on political issues.

    Lots more to this wozzy ....enjoy your posts ;-)

     
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    Smedley Butler

    Won the Medal Of Honor twice as well as every other medal there was to win. 

    But his greatest contribution came when he was approached by the (1%) industrialists of the day (Rockerfeller, Harriman, Prescott Bush... yes that Bush)

    who asked him to assemble 500K troops, march on Washington and overthrow the sitting President FDR, destroy democracy as we know it and install a

    new government.  He testified as such before Congress and it is public record through the Freedom Of Information Act.  After years of pilfering on behalf

    of big business he wrote:

    War Is A Racket

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    Yes, The Rockefellers, Harriman and Prescott Bush approached him about that overthrow (this is proven) in that McCormack-Dickstein Report which was intentionally smudged by the Elite with names removed but the full report was found later.

    General Butler actually went along with this plan with no intent to act on it, just listen. He thought it intent to Blackmail just like they did to Woodrow Wilson to push the Federal Reserve Act through. He went on to say that they also wanted Gen MacArthur involved because he was anti-establishment and they could blackmail him as well if the plan did or did'nt work. Meanwhile Gen. Butler secretly reports this overthrow to Senator John McCormack (D-Mass) and future speaker of the House.. The Bankers were not happy with FDR and FDRs assistant was a Banker spy all along. Another thing many people don't know is FDR was the target of an assasin in Miami, 5 bullets missed but one hit his pal standing next to him, he died.

    Our greatest enemy is the enemy within, right in front of our noses. War for Profit has been the main source of Money and power for the International Bankers for years, goes back a long way. Napoleon at Waterloo he had a sure victory made against Wellington but listened to the enemy within his ranks (banker mole). Hard to imagine that a British victory would 'cause' the Rothschilds to own 50% of the Wealth of Great Britain. War made it happen.  Brilliant absolute. Makes ya sick thinking about these slimey SOBs.

    Wish I could talk more about this  .... I don't usually get involved here on political issues.

    Lots more to this wozzy ....enjoy your posts ;-)

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    "History is written by the winners" is a famous quote, that anyone could question a decorated soldier with nothing to lose and the weight of a lifetime on his shoulders is only possible over a long time and vast resources geared to erasing history, makes me think of another famous quote about "those who cannot remember the past..."

     

     
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    Wow, did not realize so many Pat fans actually are embarrased to be Americans. Someone actually thinks Che Guevara is a hero on this sight. The facts are communist governments have murdered millions more of their own citizins than the American military has managed to kill in all of it's wars combined. America is not perfect but the western democracies allow more freedom than any socialist country has ever allowed.  

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    It's because they're dumb, probably didn't go to college, haven't traveled, don't know anyone who lived under that kind of rule, etc, etc, etc.

    This thread ended way back on Page 2 or 3 when I had to slap our little misguided friend Ricky.

    It's popular to sort of be a contrarian and play on the economic downturn we've unfortunately experienced here in recent years.  It's no different than what Hitler did in the 1920s, blasting Communism, or what Joseph McCarthy did in the 1950s in this country.

    Communism is a clear failure, etc, but the irony is, dramatists like Ricky and the victim mentality types, also play on those same fears.

    I do want to point out that Socialism is not Communism and it actually works somewhat well in one dimensional societies.    People in Austria, for example, aren't living in fear or aren't held back from living in freedom.   There's a difference. Also, Communism has roots in violence, while Socialism does not.

    I wouldn't last 2 seconds in Russia, China, N. Korea, Iran, Venezuela, etc. There's a reason why so few civilizations adopt Communism.   It's the greatest gimmick and scam of all time.  It takes the ideas of a king and queen/absolute monarchy and puts in the hands of a group of buddies, so to speak.  It's a clique of the very, very few.  But, just because it's not represented by a king and queen, the people think they're being represented.  Sad, but true.

    Little Ricky would not even be able to type or say half the things he just did on this thread without some sort of harrassment in those countries I just listed.

    It's sad that those kinds of countries are corrupted and brainwashed to live the way they do, but it's all because of fear and centuries of living slightly worse than they do now. 

     

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    I was not referring to social democratic political parties who do not try to subvert their national constitutions (like Allende in Chile who consistently violated Chile's constitution). If a socialist democratic party participates in fair elections and willingly gives up power when it loses I do not consider it communist. I refer to communists as followers of Lenin and the communist international which never supported any democratic aims. Otherwise we finally agree on something. Thank you.

     
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    what's the US? does the US have a market economy? do you use a computer,internet, telecommunications, do you buy things at wal-mart that come in container ships? all of that is developed from public funding, from the state sector. computers and the internet were developed in the state sector before they were handed over to private corporations.. what is that is it communism? pick whatever label you want.

    the core notion of TRADITIONAL SOCIALISM is that working ppl have to be in control of production and communities have to be in control of their own lives. the Soviet Union was the exact opposite of that. the working people had no control over anything, they were virtual slaves. the soviet union was called a socialist society by the 2 major propaganda operations of the world, the US, and the soviets. they both called it socialism for opposite reasons. the west called it socialism in order to defame socialism by associating it with this miserable tyranny in the soviet union. the soviet union called it socialism in order to benefit from the moral appeal that socialism had among the large parts of the world population.

    you ppl don't know squat about actual socialism, or communism, or even democracy for that matter! 

    "the impulse of democracy makes government less powerful and more active; increasing its funtions and decreasing its authority"

    -Samuel P. Huntington - Trilateral Commission Report

     Viva la Che!

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    Che was a proud Stalinist by the way. Show me anywhere where communism has worked. Anywhere please. Don't pull this Russia was communist and not Socialist crap. Lenin to Gorbachev referred to the Soviet Union as socialist. There are vast diferrences between liberalism of the American variety and socialism/communism despite what goofy far right consevatives say (I am in no way anti conservative. I believe America needs conservatives, moderates and liberals). Any support of Che is support of mass murder.

     
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    Another thing wozzy: That coment above where I mentioned a British victory at Waterloo?

    Here's the kicker, during those days the Rothschilds had a first rate communications system and with their Power the horsemen were allowed to ride through and pass checkpoints w/o delay.

    Rothschild knew all along that Bonaparte was defeated but he made it appear that France won the Battle as he had instructed his Banker moles to start selling Rothschild owned British Treasury Bonds. Everyone else noticed this and frantically started selling off their Bonds cheap. If Rothschild is selling fast then we must also he knows everything ...;-)  As the true news of a British victory was in fact on its way, Rothschild gave the signal in person to finish up buying quickly.

    Then the news of a British Victory inflated the bond value instanly as he now owned over 50% of the British Treasury. These were now assets of the Bank of England which is Rothschild owned.

    The Bushs', Rockefellers, DuPonts, Morgan-Stanley, Schiffs etc do his dirty work in the USA.

     
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    Che was a proud Stalinist by the way. Show me anywhere where communism has worked. Anywhere please. Don't pull this Russia was communist and not Socialist crap. Lenin to Gorbachev referred to the Soviet Union as socialist. There are vast diferrences between liberalism of the American variety and socialism/communism despite what goofy far right consevatives say (I am in no way anti conservative. I believe America needs conservatives, moderates and liberals). Any support of Che is support of mass murder.

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    Che was a proud Stalinist? where the hell do you people get this stuff from? 

    i think i was very clear in my last post when i said:

    "the core notion of TRADITIONAL SOCIALISM is that working ppl have to be in control of production and communities have to be in control of their own lives. the Soviet Union was the exact opposite of that. the working people had no control over anything, they were virtual slaves. the soviet union was called a socialist society by the 2 major propaganda operations of the world, the US, and the soviets. they both called it socialism for opposite reasons. the west called it socialism in order to defame socialism by associating it with this miserable tyranny in the soviet union. the soviet union called it socialism in order to benefit from the moral appeal that socialism had among the large parts of the world population."

     

     

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    Clearly you are a proponent of radical chic and nothing else since you know absolutely nothing about your hero who was a staunch supporter of Stalin to the end.

     
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    Clearly you are a proponent of radical chic and nothing else since you know absolutely nothing about your hero who was a staunch supporter of Stalin to the end.

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    well, i can underatand how a simple mind like yours who thinks in black and white would think this. 

    they both were againt US imperialism. they both were againt nazi fascism... and that's about where it ends.

    che was not only against US imperialism and german fascism, but he was against imperialism and fascism as a whole. since stalin became an imperialist once he gained power it would be silly to call che a "stalinist". 

    i'm a patriots fan, like you, but i'm far from a ccnsd"ist" :) get it?

    but perhaps you have some proof that che proclaimed himself a "stalinist".. good luck providing that evidence :)

     

    OMG Woodrow Wilson was a "Stalinist"!!!

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    Thats not Woodrow Wilson by the way. I don't have to prove Che was a Stalinist. Read his writings. Che himself claimed to be a Stalinist. If you doubt me do a simple search on this here internet. You will find it soon enough. Che was also a murderer and bragged about it at the united nations. It's not like he was born 200 years ago. He was quoted heavily by the communist and western press. He was an incompetent administrator in cuba and a fairly awful general in Bolivia but he looks good in a beret I guess, so keep worshiping the murderer if you want.

     

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