Offensive Line A Problem?

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    The OL seems to have had problems protecting Brady at times.  I'm sure that not having Gronk (and Ballard being cut) doesn't help matters any.

    Was the Jet's and Bill's front 7 that good or is the Patriots OL having problems?

     

     
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    The guys on the other side of the field get paid to play football as well...

     
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    I'll have to watch the game again, but it seems to me that Brady, generally, had plent of time to make his throws.  I thought that the offensive line, actually, held up well against a tough Rex Ryan defense.

     
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    It's probably the strongest unit on our team, I didn't see any weakness at all, sometimes the other side make good plays as well...

     
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    The Jets run defense surprised me. They were very disciplined. If anything, their pass defense was a bit more vulnerable. If the Patriots had Vereen and Amendola, they could have piled on a few more passing yards on these guys. But the Jets aren't a cellar-dweller team. They will middle of the pack this year, maybe a bit better.

     
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    But how many guys did the Jets put on the line?   Had these WR's start catching balls, Jets would put an extra defender in the backfield.  But they didnt need to cuz Pats WR's were dropping balls where the Jets can put an extra man on the line to pressure Brady!!

    Pats need these WR's to step up so they can run the ball better!

     
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    We were obviously extremely limited on the plays we could run offensively. We couldn't connect on any longER passes so the jets could cheat toward the middle. Plus we are still doing on offense what we have done for years now. We either go with a passing formation and pass, or we would run the draw with a running back we do not currently have on the active roster, or we march out our power backband either run him uptube middle or play pattern with some 5-10 yard patterns. We are still the worst team in football at throwing to the running back(lead back) I think Alfred Morris had twice the targets as Ridley last year. I saw plenty of times where Ridley was openfor a 5 yard check down but Brady chose to throw to a receiver in tighter coverage. I do blame Brady for that as he has had that mind set for sometime now.

    Anyway, if you announce you are going to run against a Rex Ryan defense, he is going to stop you, and if your RB is getting hit in the backfield every time then you have to use different formations which is something we did not have the luxury of doing with our limited, inexperienced personnel last night.

        







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    We were obviously extremely limited on the plays we could run offensively. We couldn't connect on any longER passes so the jets could cheat toward the middle. Plus we are still doing on offense what we have done for years now. We either go with a passing formation and pass, or we would run the draw with a running back we do not currently have on the active roster, or we march out our power backband either run him uptube middle or play pattern with some 5-10 yard patterns. We are still the worst team in football at throwing to the running back(lead back) I think Alfred Morris had twice the targets as Ridley last year. I saw plenty of times where Ridley was openfor a 5 yard check down but Brady chose to throw to a receiver in tighter coverage. I do blame Brady for that as he has had that mind set for sometime now.

    Anyway, if you announce you are going to run against a Rex Ryan defense, he is going to stop you, and if your RB is getting hit in the backfield every time then you have to use different formations which is something we did not have the luxury of doing with our limited, inexperienced personnel last night.

      



    Boyce might have been able to help w/ lengthening the field, but Brady may not have had time to throw anyway.  The OL was up and down all game. At times, giving Brady time to throw (but nobody open or dropped or thrown poorly) - at times, looking like someone blew an assignment and someone getting a free shot at Brady.

    Brady also seems to have had a higher tendency to force throws into tight coverage in the past 3-4 years vs. hitting open man (like u alluded un ur post)

     
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    It's probably the strongest unit on our team, I didn't see any weakness at all, sometimes the other side make good plays as well.


    Other they can't block for the run.

     
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    Other they can't block for the run.



    The runningback with the third most rushing yards in the NFL is Shane Vareen with 7.2 yards per carry and he didn't play this week.  Ridley averaged 5.1 yards a carry VS the Bills... you guys swing any which way the wind blows huh?  It couldn't be that the Jets front played ok?

    Oh yeah, Geno Smith has been sacked 9 times, Brady 3...

    Take some antidepressant meds.

     
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    No injuries last night, correct?  I recall Cannon replacing someone early in the game.  If they stay healthy...no problem!!!

     
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    Other they can't block for the run.

     



    The runningback with the third most rushing yards in the NFL is Shane Vareen with 7.2 yards per carry and he didn't play this week.  Ridley averaged 5.1 yards a carry VS the Bills... you guys swing any which way the wind blows huh?  It couldn't be that the Jets front played ok?

     

    Oh yeah, Geno Smith has been sacked 9 times, Brady 3...

    Take some antidepressant meds.

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    They are young and completely rebuilt.  We forget this I don't know why.  

     
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    If they don't dominate then it's as good as a loss to these guys.  A win will be watered down to the point of, they didn't win it as much as the other team lost it.  Then if the Pats lose, or even win to people like babe, the GM is a terrible GM...  It's tough for people to appreciate this team and i don't know why.  

    They are young and completely rebuilt.  We forget this I don't know why.  




    which part are you talking about?  I guess since 2001, yeah, entire team is gone except Brady Laughing

    In regards to the OL, imo, the line isn't built for run blocking - but rather for protecting Brady. Sure, they can zone block - but, can they run when they need to?

     
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    If they don't dominate then it's as good as a loss to these guys.  A win will be watered down to the point of, they didn't win it as much as the other team lost it.  Then if the Pats lose, or even win to people like babe, the GM is a terrible GM...  It's tough for people to appreciate this team and i don't know why.  

     

    They are young and completely rebuilt.  We forget this I don't know why.  

     




    which part are you talking about?  I guess since 2001, yeah, entire team is gone except Brady Laughing

     

    In regards to the OL, imo, the line isn't built for run blocking - but rather for protecting Brady. Sure, they can zone block - but, can they run when they need to?

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    Yes.  They've done it before.  

    Again, this isn't the dream team and other teams are trying to win too.  Jets are built to do shut the run down, and they did just that last night.  If they don't stop at least the run then they are in a lot of touble on D.  

     
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    I don't think they get a lot of push in the running game, and I imagine that won't improve with teams not having to focus so much on our passing game anymore.

     
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    Yes.  They've done it before.  

    Again, this isn't the dream team and other teams are trying to win too.  Jets are built to do shut the run down, and they did just that last night.  If they don't stop at least the run then they are in a lot of touble on D.  




    I agree. I never said that teams don't show up to play like one poster does. The Jets front 7 did a pretty good job last night of stopping the run - as you've said.  I would disagree about how good the Patriot run game is. I will disagree a lil about whether they can consistently run when they need to.

     
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    I was suprised at the run blocking last night it was very poor considering the Pats were the 7th best rushing team in the league last yr. That being said credit has to go to Jets rush-D, they did a very good job. The pass protection for Brady was very good last night as it always is. 

     
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    Last season Brady had the quickest release time in all of football. 

    He makes the O-line look great.

     

     
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    Last season Brady had the quickest release time in all of football. 

    He makes the O-line look great.

     



    They have been saying this for year but it falls on a lot of deaf ears.  I'm not saying the line is the worst but they are not as great as some say top 5.  When the really good front keep making them look mediocre.  The jets line got about a yard push every play, therefore their running back were two yard down field before most contact.

    In games where 5 plus a TE and a RB chipping can't hold a 4 man rush.... that is not good blocking.   I'd say they are a good line but not great... the elite four man fronts give them fits and they are average at run blocking.

     
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    I was suprised at the run blocking last night it was very poor considering the Pats were the 7th best rushing team in the league last yr. That being said credit has to go to Jets rush-D, they did a very good job. The pass protection for Brady was very good last night as it always is. 



    Pass pretecting they are very good, but games where Brady isn't lighting it up on passing the run game suffers.

     
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    Yes.  They've done it before.  

    Again, this isn't the dream team and other teams are trying to win too.  Jets are built to do shut the run down, and they did just that last night.  If they don't stop at least the run then they are in a lot of touble on D.  

     




    I agree. I never said that teams don't show up to play like one poster does. The Jets front 7 did a pretty good job last night of stopping the run - as you've said.  I would disagree about how good the Patriot run game is. I will disagree a lil about whether they can consistently run when they need to.

     

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    The OL seems to have had problems protecting Brady at times.  I'm sure that not having Gronk (and Ballard being cut) doesn't help matters any.

    Was the Jet's and Bill's front 7 that good or is the Patriots OL having problems?

     

    Matt Chatham thinks the Jet's have one of the top ten Defenses in the NFL.  He stated this on the day before the game.  I have to agree based on what I saw on the field Thursday night.  They get all done, pretty well.  It was a good experience for our young kids to have to play through.  We will get better as we always do.    

     
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    The Oline has struggled against the better d's usually in the big games since 2007. Can't understand how they struggled against that Jets team on run blocking though. Hopefully they get it together because Pats need to run the ball better until they have worked the wide receivers out.

     
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