OFFENSIVE LINE REBUILD OR BUST

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    OFFENSIVE LINE REBUILD OR BUST

     The slow decline of the last three years is reaching a tipping point, and if the rebuilding process dose not start immediately it will not matter what you have on defence.  The ability to score will not be there. This last game points out that the opposition is aware of our limitations.  The Jets blitzed only Six times in last nights game but sacked Brady Five times and hit him Seven times, this dosn't include how many times they caused him to rush the play. That's at least 12 times they influenced the passing play out of a total of 45 passing plays. That is greater than 25% of passing plays they got to brady with only 6 blitzes. They spent most of the game only rushing 3 or 4 players, and our 5 offensive linemen plus the help of TE's and RB's could not effectively protect Brady. That's only half the problem. The offence had no ability to move the ball on the ground, we only attempted 28 running plays for 113 yards out of 73 total plays. These numbers are deceiving because if you take away the free yards the Jets gave up when we were in long yardage situations and ran or the SEVEN MINUTE DRIVE late in the game which the Jets were glad to give up in exchange for THOSE SEVEN MINUTES we did NOTHING as far as moving the ball on the ground.  Like Manning and the Colts we only managed to pad our stats in a bad loss. This all comes down to our OLD OL, and the rest of the NFL must know by now. With no ability to run effectively and no deep threat, they only have to protect the short middle of the field, exactly what happened last night. This was not unlike when our Defence was old and wore out in 07, and we revamped it with an infusion of youth. We are at the same point now with our OL.  WE MUST replace Light (33 in June), and Neal (35 in Oct.) IMMEDIATELY! Then possibly Koppen (32 in Sept.)in the near future. If the Pats Leadership has not realized this, there is a sever disconcert between there perception and reality.  At the AGE our OL has reach they may still perform well at the start of camp and the season, to fool the coaching staff but they have worn down towards the end of the season progressively the last few years. If we had a deep threat they couldn't protect long enough for the play to develop, and a Premier RB needs holes to be opened and blocking in the second level.  So all you draft guru's that keep dreaming of the GREAT WR's and RB's, what good are they without the foundation of a great OL. And those wanting to go all out on defence, what good is it if your offence can't score.  THIS DRAFT 1)BEST OT WE CAN GET. 2)BEST OG WE CAN GET.3(BEST CENTER WE CAN GET. If this objective is not worked on, look forward to a continued decline, a beat up Brady, and the closing of the Super  Bowl window in the Brady era.
     
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    Its time to rebuild. This O-line seem to play well for the most part during the regular season, but seems to disappear come play off time.  Vollmer looks to be the future at LT, Mankins could very well be resigned or franchised, Koppen I'm not really sure of his whole status but he is undersized. Its time for a change at the O-line and 02/03/2008 told us that.

     
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    The Jests signed Taylor just for Light in my opinion. Taylor owns Light and did again. Seems that all sacks came from the left side.
     
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    I think one of our first 3 picks will be used on the O-line.  Carimi might be a good fit.
     
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    Don't go too overboard on the O line. Brady had a lot of plays where he had all the time in the world but no one was open. We need a real OC
     
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    It will happen. If Mankins is franchised and Neal retires we could see an overhaul akin to what has happened with the defense the last two years. Slightly less encompassing, but you could make an argument for 3 OL positions in the draft. Just a matter of where and when. I repeat I never undstood the Kazcur signing. Unless Mankins walks.
     
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    Don't go too overboard on the O line. Brady had a lot of plays where he had all the time in the world but no one was open. We need a real OC
    Posted by Evil2010


    The Jets were rushing 3 and 4 defenders against 5 and 6 offensive blockers, if you can't by time with that you don't belong in the game. With the Jets useing 6 defensive backs our OL could not open up consistant running lanes. Unfortunately this game is on the OL. In the play's where Brady had all day, you had 8 defendind the desperation pass on long yardage situations and only 3 rushing the passer. The Jets had 11 DB's active, dareing us to run at them and we never tried to pound them with our heavy running sets (2TE,2RB), maby that is on the OC, or maby its on the OL's ability to move defenders off the line of scrimmage.









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    Bottom Line

    The answer is a simple one...
    The defense played not much different than during the regular season and the Patriots won those games.  How did they win?  They simply scored more points than whatever the opposition scored whether it was 24, 30, 26, 28, 24, or 27.  Bear in mind those wins came against some solid defenses.

    Simply stated the bottom line is the fact the offense did not do what they did during the regular season.  Why?  Was it the offensive game plan or poor execution.  In my opinion the game plan would have worked had the player execution been up to the task.  Case in point was the first Patriot drive up to the int.  You cannot deny they were flying towards another offensive win.

     
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    Fish T

     Connolly had a poor game yesterday as did others.
     
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    I thought the sacks were due to coverage.  There were a couple of blown blitz pick ups but that was due to the defense doing a good job of hiding the blitz.

    Too bad Mankins is probably on the way out.  Vollmer is good.  Matt Light is getting a little long in the tooth. 

    The sacks were due to great coverage.

    If the Pats need anything, it's a wide receiver with speed and great hands.  Someone that can beat one on one coverage going long.
     
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    Fish T  Connolly had a poor game yesterday as did others.
    Posted by sydpat


    Connoly is an excelent back up at either guard spot, haveing almost no drop off from a starters quality, but that step up to a quality starter is needed with the nasty attitude brought by Mankins. That is the difference between an average and good ol. But he is a back up, if he was better than that Neil at 34 years old would not be starting when he is healthy.
     
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    In case you have not noticed they have started to rebuild the line. Expect Vollmer, Connely and Kaczur to start next year. Include Gronk and that is a serious infusion of new blood.
    Also, Mccourtney was the Pats option "B" in the first round...Pouncey was option "A". Note that his brother is draft eligible this year.
     
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    Don't go too overboard on the O line. Brady had a lot of plays where he had all the time in the world but no one was open. We need a real OC
    Posted by Evil2010


    I agree we need a real OC bad. At least Mcdaniels tried things on the field. we have the talent for trick plays and never try anything.
     
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    Re: OFFENSIVE LINE REBUILD OR BUST

    In Response to Re: OFFENSIVE LINE REBUILD OR BUST:
    In case you have not noticed they have started to rebuild the line. Expect Vollmer, Connely and Kaczur to start next year. Include Gronk and that is a serious infusion of new blood. Also, Mccourtney was the Pats option "B" in the first round...Pouncey was option "A". Note that his brother is draft eligible this year.
    Posted by rkarp


    KACZUR 32 in June back up OT, and Connely Back up OG 29 in Sept. qualify as a start to the rebuilding of the Offensive line??? Vollmer was a stroke of luck reaching into the end of rd. 2 at no. 58. The fact is that I have been noticeing, and quality OT's can only be found in the early to mid first round, and quality OG's can be found mid first round to mid second rd. We are at the point where we need the real thing not a few more reaches with an occaisional stroke of luck.(Gronk is a TE) If Kaczur and Connely are our go to starters and not just interim starters next year Brady won't make the year. We have taken countless shots from the 3rd, 4th, 5th and on and nothing has materialized in the last bunch of years, all waisted picks looking for bargan basement Offensive Lineman.
     
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    Is it considered a coverage sack if they only rush 3...rushing 3 should be the mexican standoff...all of t he recievers covered, and doubled covered, but all of the rushers doubled as well...Brady should literally have as much time as he wants back there. 
     
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    Re: OFFENSIVE LINE REBUILD OR BUST

    We NEED to use one of our top 3 picks an an Ol. I think Connelly is a decent backup but should not be counted on to start as he gives up way to many sacks. Also do w.e we can to keep mankins. and were dumb to let ted larsen walk he played like a stud this year for tampa.Also i think Light should be let go.

    Next years OL
    lt- volmer
    lg-mankins
    c-koppen
    rg-f.a/rookie/connelly/rookie Guard on practice squad this year he was amazing in college
    rt-Kazur/rookie
     
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    Kaczur stinks. I'd rather draft Carimi and stick him @RT.

    Maybe also Pouncy and stick him @ Center.

    Koppen was beaten badly by Ellis a couple times early. He was also beaten badly in the Super Bowl against the Giants. We need upgrade there.
     
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    Re: OFFENSIVE LINE REBUILD OR BUST

    I want big, burly, bruising players with the temperament of rotweilers in a less than jovial mood.
     
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