Re: Officials Get Fined
posted at 11/16/2009 11:49 PM EST
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And while I am busy spreading blame, will someone tell me how our back field was able to shut down Manning on into the early second half, and then we turned into swiss cheese? I'm not saying it's easy, but did our guys lose focus? fatigue? cockiness? It was painful to watch Manning act like an ADHD kid at the mall with a no-limit Mastercard.
Posted by ConcordWiggin
Easy explanation: The pass rush got lazy. Watch replays if you can. AD had open lanes but he really made it easy for the OL to stop him. It was like seeing Maroney on D. I bet he'll be gone next year.
Re: Officials Get Fined
posted at 11/17/2009 12:05 AM EST
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To ALL: ~ I pretty much agree and Have thought for some time That with ALL the assets The NFL has under its disposal and with The effects of Official Play calling, New and amended rules becoming an ever-increasing factor in How a Game is played and plays out, There is NOTHING that should keep The League from doing some sort of "Game Review" regarding the Plays and Penalties that are called in game-play and reward, chastise, or at the very least Keep NFL Referees within a reviewal of their job and the production of their acts and actions... ~ Even though most if not ALL other Jobs have simple checks and balances on an Individuals or Group's efforts, From a pragmatic standpoint The NFL does NOT want such scrutiny allowing for the silent fan masses to potentially be up in arms about the validity of game outcomes. And even though, I want and would NEVER agree with changing game outcomes after the fact of the final whistle, When certain things like How Belichick himself has partitioned for, like more reviewable cameras, and especially downfield Goal-line cameras, GET nixed and denied by People on The Competition Committee (Rules Committee-whoevers on that thing-Boy, I trully hope NOONE with biases/alterior motives like an Owner or an Active Coach), SOMETHING in the end when all's said and done seems at least somewhat suspect to say the least...
Posted by LazarusintheSanatorium
Hey dum,b assss...if they reviewed all of the Patriots games, not only would you not have a 16-0 regular season in the books, but ALL of your Superbowl wins would be wiped out as well. I would be careful what you ask for and learn more about the rules first.
Re: Officials Get Fined
posted at 11/17/2009 12:09 AM EST
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Again folks, rewatch the replay and you will see not one but two Colts blatantly in the neutral zone. The same ref that missed the spot missed that as well. I watched it on slow motion high DVR. It is not even close. The announcers keep babbling about him bobbling the ball. The fact is it hit off his hands and he immediately gained control. ESPN had so much fun attacking Belichick that they buried the lead. The play was a blown call by the refs. Had it gone against the Colts, that would have led their story For those who think its whining, name a big call that went AGAINST Payoff Manning. 2006 - aka Colts ill gotten win to go to the Super Bowl: Hobbs performed well in the 2006 playoffs, breaking up several potential touchdown passes, including two in the Divisional round against the San Diego Chargers , and one in the AFC Championship Game against the Indianapolis Colts . That play against the Colts was flagged as pass interference , a call that proved controversial. Although Greg Aiello, NFL vice president of communications, stated it was correctly flagged as pass interference [ 3 ] in January, the NFL ultimately issued a letter of apology to Hobbs, stating that he had not, in fact, committed a foul. [ 4 ] Playoff game against the Steelers: New York, NY (Sports Network) - National Football League vice president of officiating Mike Pereira on Monday issued a statement regarding the controversial reversal on Troy Polamalu's interception during Pittsburgh's 21-18 win over Indianapolis in Sunday's AFC divisional playoff game at the RCA Dome. In the statement, Pereira stated the officiating crew made the wrong call. "The definition of a catch -- or in this case an interception -- states that in the process of making a catch a player must maintain possession of the ball after he contacts the ground," said Pereira. "The initial call on the field was that Troy Polamalu intercepted the pass because he maintained possession of the ball after hitting the ground. "The replay showed that Polamalu had rolled over and was rising to his feet when the ball came loose. He maintained possession long enough to establish a catch. Therefore, the replay review should have upheld the call on the field that it was a catch and fumble. Notice a pattern here. The Pats will get another meaningless apology in a week or so.
Posted by Encinitas
You are full of crap on the Hobbs PI call. The league never ever said he was wrongly called for PI. The rule is clear on what he did...he had his back to the ball and interfered with the receivers ability to catch it and made contact with the receiver at the same time (I admit it wasn't a lot of contact, but enough) which is illegal under the rules. The defender has to be looking back at the ball or it will be called every time if he touches the ball or the reciever in that situation!
Re: Officials Get Fined
posted at 11/17/2009 12:10 AM EST
Good luck with your apology from the league on this call...it ain't gonna happen sore loser, cause it was a GOOD call....period!!!
Re: Officials Get Fined
posted at 11/17/2009 4:19 PM EST

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He had the first down, the game should have been over then, and we were robbed again in Indy and I can't wait until we get there in the playoffs and destroy these punkAZZ Colts and maybe even accidently run into a couple of zebras!!!!! :)
Go Pats!!!
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Re: Officials Get Fined
posted at 11/17/2009 5:33 PM EST

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NFL Head of officiating said the spot would stand even if challenged.
Re: Officials Get Fined
posted at 11/18/2009 5:41 AM EST

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In Response to Officials Get Fined : Hey, I've got a better headline: "PATS FANS CLASSLESS WHINING CAUSES ALL OTHER TEAMS FANS TO HATE THEM"
Posted by JintsFan
So, since the Giants have been on a 4 game slide, but actually gained ground during their BYE week, should they suit up this week?
They get further when they don't take the field.
Re: Officials Get Fined
posted at 11/18/2009 5:44 AM EST

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Posted by JintsFan
So, do you wait until you think no one is on the board to come here and post? Is your shame that great?
Re: Officials Get Fined
posted at 11/18/2009 6:38 AM EST

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Wouldn't that make an appropriate headline this week? How many times did we all see the replay of Faulk's 4th down catch? It was right over the 30 yardline! We know the original spot was exactly the 20, because it was from a touch back. Absolutely, the refs made a bad call that change the outcome of the game. Period. Lest any of you think I am a sore loser, YES, I am. I don't like seeing (yet another Pats/Colts game in Indie) refs take away very hard work from players, and yes, from our coach too. Is there more blame to go around? Sure. Had Welker not called his own timeout shortly before, we would have been able to challenge the spot at the 30. Had we not fumbled at the frickin 1-foot like, the game would have been different. I even have a hard time with Slater running the ball out of the endzone, turning a 2-play 13 seconds into a 1-play 9 seconds. Actually, our mistakes in this game were notably few. The other glaring gaff by the officials came with 3:03 left, when the Colts receiver bumped back into our cover, "drawing" a 31-yard gain interference flag. Maybe I don't know the rule well enough, but isn't a defender entitled to his own virtical space? Since the Commish is quite a liberal when it comes to handing out fines, why not spank the refs in their bank accounts for at least the WRONG call at the 2-minute slot, when it would have sealed the game for us? Your comments?
Posted by ConcordWiggin
So just out of courisoity do you cry this much when NE gets bad calls? Brady points at his foot and gets a flag?? Give me a break!
Re: Officials Get Fined
posted at 11/18/2009 6:43 AM EST

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While I think it's enough already with the refs and the spot and all the angst, I'm wondering why, ultimately, the call was made by the guy who couldn't see the ball. In baseball, if an umpire's view of a play that would normally be his call is obstructed, he defers to another umpire. The official who placed that ball had the same view of the play that all of us watching on television had. The camera was behind him. I kept hearing Al Michaels insist that the ball was being juggled, but in real time, I never saw that, and neither did you . . .
and neither did the official who made the call.
Re: Officials Get Fined
posted at 11/18/2009 12:35 PM EST

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"Peyton would have scored a touchdown even if he had to go 70 yards. That is just what he does."
Yup.
Heaves the ball downfield and waits for the flag he knows is coming, giving him a huge gain he could not earn on his own.
Now there is a reason to be proud.
Re: Officials Get Fined
posted at 11/18/2009 12:58 PM EST
I can't believe you guys are still whining about this! You guys just love to find the closest calls in the game that went against the Pats and call it the reason your team lost! We Colt fans could probably do that in games that the Pats win, they're just too far in the past and we can't remember those calls. Someone suggested that no calls ever go against the Colts in these games - are you forgetting the entire game of receiver assaults perpetrated a few games back? There were 5+ interference/defensive holding calls that were "missed" by officials...
Re: Officials Get Fined
posted at 11/18/2009 1:03 PM EST

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I can't believe you guys are still whining about this! You guys just love to find the closest calls in the game that went against the Pats and call it the reason your team lost! We Colt fans could probably do that in games that the Pats win, they're just too far in the past and we can't remember those calls. Someone suggested that no calls ever go against the Colts in these games - are you forgetting the entire game of receiver assaults perpetrated a few games back? There were 5+ interference/defensive holding calls that were "missed" by officials...
Posted by JulesWinfield
Why did you remove the post that I was responding to?
Does the truth offend you that much?
Maybe it was parallax error. LOLx10
Re: Officials Get Fined
posted at 11/18/2009 1:18 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Officials Get Fined : Why did you remove the post that I was responding to? Does the truth offend you that much? Maybe it was parallax error. LOLx10
Posted by antibody
To what are you referring? I didn't know I had the authority to remove anything. If you're referring to the post where you chastized me for spelling "parallax" incorrectly, that was on a different thread whining about the same call. Better find it quickly before there are three or four more threads about the same close call!
Re: Officials Get Fined
posted at 11/18/2009 1:22 PM EST

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In Response to Re: Officials Get Fined : To what are you referring? I didn't know I had the authority to remove anything. If you're referring to the post where you chastized me for spelling "parallax" incorrectly, that was on a different thread whining about the same call. Better find it quickly before there are three or four more threads about the same close call!
Posted by JulesWinfield
Posting multiple threads on the same topic is like the national pastime around here.
But don't bring it up.
It annoys the seasonals.
Colts Are being renamed next year
posted at 11/18/2009 2:54 PM EST

- lsulifer86
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... to Colts and Zebras.
Get over it Pats fans, BB+TB+crew vs. PM+crew+zebras everytime. Pats could have won this inspite of the zebras, but they didn't...
Re: Officials Get Fined
posted at 11/18/2009 3:04 PM EST

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In Response to Re: Officials Get Fined : Forward progress can only be measured once it is a reception. At that point, he gets the furthest point of the ball once he is contacted and his forward momentum stops. (If he hits a guy at the thirty, bounces off him and then runs back to try and run around him but it tackled at the 28, his momentum is stopped the second time at the 28.) He had the ball in possession with his foot down which makes it a reception. His foot is on the 30, but his body is leaning across the 30 towards the 31. He is contacted by the defender as he is gaining possession so that is where his forward progress should have been measured. The line of gain is the 30. He is clearly on the line of gain with the ball across it. I think what happened is the Line Judge making the call sees Faulk not get possession immediately and makes a guess that he doesn't gain possession until after he is going down. It is clear from the other angle that he has possession when his right foot hits the 30 though. The umpire though looks like he could have seen the possession and comes walking at the 30 but then he kind of flakes off. I just realized something. The Line Judge should have been Ron Marinucci who wears #107. The Line Judge in the video is wearing #24. The ref crew last night was Scott Green. There is no #24 on Scott Green's crew unless my source is wrong. In fact, I can't find a ref with #24 in the lists. That is kind of odd.
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maybe polian inserted one of his lackeys as official #24.
Re: Officials Get Fined
posted at 11/18/2009 4:43 PM EST

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..... The official who placed that ball had the same view of the play that all of us watching on television had. The camera was behind him. I kept hearing Al Michaels insist that the ball was being juggled, but in real time, I never saw that, and neither did you . . . and neither did the official who made the call.
Posted by prairiemike
the official that made the call and spotted the ball gave the juggling sign as he was spotting the ball, so he too saw a juggle that no one saw but the zebra, costas and collinsworth. I personal saw ONE Juggle and then his right foot touch the ground, (Forward Progress Spot!), on the other side of the thirty then the contact, Ball should have been spotted at the thirty and 1/8 line!
Re: Officials Get Fined
posted at 11/18/2009 4:58 PM EST

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I can't believe you guys are still whining about this! You guys just love to find the closest calls in the game that went against the Pats and call it the reason your team lost! We Colt fans could probably do that in games that the Pats win, they're just too far in the past and we can't remember those calls. Someone suggested that no calls ever go against the Colts in these games - are you forgetting the entire game of receiver assaults perpetrated a few games back? There were 5+ interference/defensive holding calls that were "missed" by officials...
Posted by JulesWinfield
Do you not see the irony of saying you can't believe Pats' fans are still whining about this event from the past weekend while you begin griping (inaccurately) about something that happened over, what, 6-7 years ago?
You are a bigger tool than you let on.
Re: Officials Get Fined
posted at 11/18/2009 5:01 PM EST

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In Response to Re: Officials Get Fined : maybe polian inserted one of his lackeys as official #24.
Posted by unclealfie
I was wondering if it actually was Polian, but then I realized that his face wasn't beet red and the shirt wasn't riding up over his gut.
Re: Officials Get Fined
posted at 11/18/2009 5:40 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Officials Get Fined : To what are you referring? I didn't know I had the authority to remove anything. If you're referring to the post where you chastized me for spelling "parallax" incorrectly, that was on a different thread whining about the same call. Better find it quickly before there are three or four more threads about the same close call!
Posted by JulesWinfield
Hey, my friend, I wrote this original post, and have no idea what you wrote or that it was deleted. I know I tried to post a response the other day (yes, to my own) and it wouldn't let me.
Anyway, go Pats!
Re: Officials Get Fined
posted at 3/4/2010 10:29 AM EST
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Typical whenever the Pats lose. It's ALWAYS the refs. Jesus, man up will ya? You lost. Take it like men and move on. The season is far from over. It's just a loss. Stop the F-in whining already. I've read these posts for years now and every time the Pats lose it's NEVER their fault according to some of you. Ever wonder why the rest of the country calls you poor sports? Probably not, because 99% of you never lived anywhere but Revere, Lynn and Weymouth. You guys are Homers to the max. You lost a game. Deal with it. Maybe they should start fining teams that fake defensive injuries during a hurry up offense. Sound familiar to you guys???
Posted by ironman11
Sorry it took me so long to read your post. Yes, I have heard of Revere, Lynn and Weymouth. I think they are somewhere near Boston, right? I figure you must know.
Maybe you can guess from my screen name where I am from.
No, we Pats fans do not blame refs for every loss. This was my first time, and they deserved it.
Who has the six rings? Cowboys? Steelers? I am not up on NFL ancient history.