OG Brian Waters a Patriot

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    Waters a great pickup...sorry to see Maneri go, but it's always a numbers game and maybe we'll see him back here after a day or two....look for Crumpler to be resigned this week as well....or next week.....most writers have been hinting about that for several weeks anyways...
     
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    In Response to Re: OG Brian Waters A Patriot? :      Agreed, brd. It's a done deal.
    Posted by TexasPat3


    now thats the results i'm talkin about :)
    now at safety/db, wr?

    and whoever just said to waters was to fix injury problem there. disagree, it was to fill ineptitude problem there.
     
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    Bye bye Butler!
    Posted by DoNotSleepOnThePats


    one can only hope.
    we need better db's
     
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    Manieri  was  released.   I  don't  think  BB  is  finished  with  the  OL.  I  hope  they  can  add  Gurode  for  a  reasonable  price, if  he's  recovered from  knee  surgery.  I  know  that  Koppen  is  valued  by  many  posters  and  the  mantra  has  been - " we  can  replace  Koppen  next  year."  However, I  believe  Koppen  is  another  weak  link  in  the  interior  OL.  Why  not  replace  Koppen  this  year  with  Gurode ?
    Posted by zeitgeist49


     what i have been saying is that we needed 2 guys on the oline (gurode). dont need to dump koppen now.
     
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    Posted by TexasPat3


    agreed, not sure they dump koppen during th   though. still adding 2 top g/c's will help the line tremendously
     
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    To nobody in particular,

    The Waters signing was a great one, he isn't a kid but went to LAST years Pro Bowl and with the talent surrounding him he should flourish in the Patriot environment. I don't have any concerns at all really about our team's age, we have a solid mix of vets and young guys.  

    We have bookend towers for tackles, two all Pro run pavers for guards and a solid technician of a center, along with Connelly who can start anywhere along the line, then again so can Matt Light.  Solder didn't have 14 weeks of camp, he played really well in the preseason considering, as did the rest of the rookies including the ones we cut.

     
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    Footwork, repetition, practice... and yeah he can probably get stronger in the upperbody.

    My point was in a shortened preseason he looked solid.
     
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    I liked Solder in limited glimpses

    He's got the potential.  Watch him GROW.  I've never seen a 330/340-pound man look that skinny.  He could play at 350-360 in muscle and still look proportionate.

    *note: I'm using real weights, not the made-up ones they post on rosters
     
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    "Just to refresh your recollection, the Pats' lost their last three playoff games to teams that succeeded in pressuring Brady up the middle. That's where Connolly, Ohrnberger, and Koppen reside. The Pats need to upgrade both RG and C positions."

    TexasPat


    I don't remember it that way, and considering Belichick has done a minimal through FA and the draft to shore up the "middle" of the offensive line I would guess he agrees with me.

    I mean if we really lost the last 3 playoff games to teams that pressured Brady up the middle I would think he would do more then draft Rich O in the 4rth round in 2009.

    I saw a Jets team that took away Brady's underneath options and confused him and our offensive coordinator with 3 - 4 man pressures, delayed blitzing and mixing up defensive sets.

    The Pats loss in the SB was our entire o-line being dominated not just the interior as you suggest and the ravens game in 09 had a lot more to do with a 7th round QB out of Kent state as our only viable receiving option

    Nice try pinning our lack of playoff wins on Dan Koppen and whoever our  right guard may have been though.

    Anyway as I said earlier with Connoly and Rich O's injury we do need more depth at guard, but I doubt these recent injuries will go down as something that "Haunts" Bill Belichick and co.
     
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    So much for guards not being important and not need to be paid also. Case in point the detroit game! Really miss Joe Andruzzi(wrong spelling?)
     
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    Tex, NICE SPINNING.

    Justin Tuck is a DE 2 sacks
    Strahan is a DE 1 sack

    I remember both dusting our tackles, and in the link you provided it simply repeats what I already stated that the Giants(who were the #1 sack team in the NFL) dominated our entire offensive line. It does not back up any point you think you may have made about our interior linemen being the culprits, just so you know.

    The only interior pass rusher to record a sack was Alford with 19 seconds left on the clock when Brady was throwing hailmary's.  So nice attempt at spinning.

    I said BB has done nothing to shore up the interior o-line because I don't think he felt like he needed to, which directly contradicts your point. In case you forgot it, your point was our interior line was responsible for our last 3 playoff losses.

    If Belichick felt this way I believe he would have addressed it other then continue to play the same guys he already had(Koppen,Neal,Mankins and whoever else)

    Just to be clear I am directly opposed to your notion that our offensive line is any more a concern then what 32 other teams have. I agree we need guard depth but only because of recent injuries to Connoly and Rich O.
     
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    Waters is a creampuff; bad move. Been watching this guy for the past few years.......nothin' 
     
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    its always nice to hear from you revolted. thanks for checking in

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    Waters is a creampuff; bad move. Been watching this guy for the past few years.......nothin' 
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    It's been reported that Jaws and Gruden loved Solder this preseason.  Why is that you think?
     
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    From ESPNBoston.com:

     http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/6930806/brian-waters-provide-needed-depth-new-england-patriots

    According to stats logged by Pro Football Focus, Waters didn't give up a single sack in 1,065 regular-season snaps last season. In fact, he allowed a mere eight QB pressures and had the second best pressure-per-snap percentage of guards who took at least 50 percent of their team's snaps (behind only Cincinnati's Bobbie Williams).

    Overall, PFF graded Waters as the 12th best guard in the league last year (among those who played at least 25 percent of their team's total snaps), eight spots ahead of Stephen Neal (10 QB pressures in 503 snaps) and 22 spots ahead of Dan Connolly (17 QB pressures in 812 snaps). Neal has since retired and Connolly currently is out of action with an ankle injury.

     
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    I liked Solder in limited glimpses He's got the potential.  Watch him GROW.  I've never seen a 330/340-pound man look that skinny.  He could play at 350-360 in muscle and still look proportionate. *note: I'm using real weights, not the made-up ones they post on rosters
    Posted by Artist-Frmrly-Knwn-As-NickC1188


    exactly what i said (years of experience in the area) and many shot me down. regardless, hes got to get a lot stronger. its clear he hasnt been in the gym for years doing powerlifting.
     
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    Tex, NICE SPINNING. Justin Tuck is a DE 2 sacks Strahan is a DE 1 sack I remember both dusting our tackles, and in the link you provided it simply repeats what I already stated that the Giants(who were the #1 sack team in the NFL) dominated our entire offensive line. It does not back up any point you think you may have made about our interior linemen being the culprits, just so you know. The only interior pass rusher to record a sack was Alford with 19 seconds left on the clock when Brady was throwing hailmary's.  So nice attempt at spinning. I said BB has done nothing to shore up the interior o-line because I don't think he felt like he needed to, which directly contradicts your point. In case you forgot it, your point was our interior line was responsible for our last 3 playoff losses. If Belichick felt this way I believe he would have addressed it other then continue to play the same guys he already had(Koppen,Neal,Mankins and whoever else) Just to be clear I am directly opposed to your notion that our offensive line is any more a concern then what 32 other teams have. I agree we need guard depth but only because of recent injuries to Connoly and Rich O.
    Posted by TrueChamp


    They played Tuck and Strahan over Connolly that game a lot. Neal went down and it was like the floodgates opened. Not that Neal was a great pass blocker either ... he got man handled by Ngata. And Connolly was the only OL player that looked bad against the Jets last div round. He gave up one and a half sacks, once getting shredded with Koppen by Ellis and another letting Ellis jail-break forcing Brady to run right into Koppen and Koppen's man. 

    NE does need to solve that G spot. Connolly is a great backup, and part of the OL depth that has always been a strength of this team. But once everyone is injured having good depth starting means you are thin, and not very talented. I am hoping that Waters finds the fountain of youth for one season, and that Cannon can come on strong next season. I love Connolly as a great sub ... he can play all three  spots and is a nifty run blocker ... would love someone better in his spot over the long haul though. Cannon fits the bill ... he is huge and can anchor really well, sealing things off. He could help Vollmer improve out there just by his presence, and give them the option of sliding Koppen the other way once in a while. 
     
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