Oh .... the IRONY (if you know what that is...)

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    Kraft should definately consider firing BB. Enough is enough already! I would love for the Pats to get in on the Rich Kotite sweepstakes, but landing him is just wishful thinking.

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    Love the Kotite reference! Touche!

     
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    This is what I am talking about. This is what this board has come down to. "Fans" of this team who I am staRting to realize are newer fans because anybody who remembers the pre Kraft era thanks their lucky stars for Bill Belichick and the best record in football and the most championships in 13 years. 

    Spoiled by success, it is a disease, a sickness. It is similar to what happens with addicted gamblers. You win and you want more, feel you are entitled to more, get angry and lash out when you don't get more and think or say stupid things.

    Here is a clue, if the Patriots team had made 1 more play in 3 different years they would have 6 NFL championships in 13 years. That is how close BB got his teams. If the other teams had made 1 less crucial play they don't win, we do. It is that close. 

    We aren't broken.

     

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    1 or more play in 3 other years you may have 0 championships too

     

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    Same applies to the Giants (Norwood, Tyree, etc.).

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    sure no doubt

     
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    This is what I am talking about. This is what this board has come down to. "Fans" of this team who I am staRting to realize are newer fans because anybody who remembers the pre Kraft era thanks their lucky stars for Bill Belichick and the best record in football and the most championships in 13 years. 

    Spoiled by success, it is a disease, a sickness. It is similar to what happens with addicted gamblers. You win and you want more, feel you are entitled to more, get angry and lash out when you don't get more and think or say stupid things.

    Here is a clue, if the Patriots team had made 1 more play in 3 different years they would have 6 NFL championships in 13 years. That is how close BB got his teams. If the other teams had made 1 less crucial play they don't win, we do. It is that close. 

    We aren't broken.

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    1 or more play in 3 other years you may have 0 championships too

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    Absolutely right! That is the game jints. If your gints dont make the tyree catch, the manningham catch, they were forgotten. " The inches we need are all around us". Hey you guys did it, we didn't but we were good enough to be there and easily could have won it....a far cry from the assesment of "fans" on this board.

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    okay thats very fair

     
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    Belichick is the king of team.  He rewrote the opening sequence of the super Bowl...  having his TEAM run out together for the first time in history.  this resulted in the end as a success.

    No one is bigger than the team.  Brady takes paycuts.  Big name players get cut or traded  (milloy, seymour, samuel, moss, Lloyd, Welker, Law, etc). 

    Versatile team players are valued... (troy brown,  Edelman(we hope), Ninkovich, )  talented individuals are discounted...  Blount, Talib (we expect).

    The IRONY is that as a coach, it is all about HIM.  He grooms his coaches from nobodies so that they carry out everything according to his own philosophy, doctrine, etc.  which has resulted in the end as a failure.


    Since the departure of coaches (weis, Crennel) that could truly be called collaborators not just underlings,  Belichick has ultimately failed in the big games.  (2 super bowls, 3 ACCCGs, 3 other playoff games)

    This perspective becomes more apparent as the years waste away,  but there was a warning back in  2005 that the loss of Weis in particular would be a damaging blow to this team.


    The IRONY is MR. Team is actually the individual talent that he shuns...  and this ends up hurting the team.     wow...   pretty deep but theres a lot of truth there for those who can handle it.

     

     

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    So what do you propose? Should he go?

    It's one thing to say the man has an ego, it's another to say...

    1) His ego is getting in the way of winning, because they are still winning more than other teams

    2) Winning as much as they do equates to failure.

    "Successful" teams have come and gone. Let's look at the teams that have won since the Pats won its first SB.

    TBB - At the bottom of the league

    PIT - Irrelevant in playoff discussions. Has been on visible decline or deep rebuild for more than a couple of years now.

    NYG - How many wins last season?

    BAL - Did they get to the playoffs last season?

    GBP and NOS - I am sure you think those teams have better players. Have they on more than one?

    Pats has been the only constant in the playoffs. While other teams make big excuses about not making the playoffs because of injuries, the Pats last year earned a playoff bye despite losing a gazillion starters from the previous year.

    Have you ever thought for a minute that perhaps a big part of the reason coaches' careers in the NFL are so short is because every other team is looking for someone who can be as successful as BB?

     

     

     
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    Belichick is the king of team.  He rewrote the opening sequence of the super Bowl...  having his TEAM run out together for the first time in history.  this resulted in the end as a success.

    No one is bigger than the team.  Brady takes paycuts.  Big name players get cut or traded  (milloy, seymour, samuel, moss, Lloyd, Welker, Law, etc). 

    Versatile team players are valued... (troy brown,  Edelman(we hope), Ninkovich, )  talented individuals are discounted...  Blount, Talib (we expect).

    The IRONY is that as a coach, it is all about HIM.  He grooms his coaches from nobodies so that they carry out everything according to his own philosophy, doctrine, etc.  which has resulted in the end as a failure.


    Since the departure of coaches (weis, Crennel) that could truly be called collaborators not just underlings,  Belichick has ultimately failed in the big games.  (2 super bowls, 3 ACCCGs, 3 other playoff games)

    This perspective becomes more apparent as the years waste away,  but there was a warning back in  2005 that the loss of Weis in particular would be a damaging blow to this team.


    The IRONY is MR. Team is actually the individual talent that he shuns...  and this ends up hurting the team.     wow...   pretty deep but theres a lot of truth there for those who can handle it.

     

     

     

     

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    He's the highest paid coach in the league.  The discounts apply to all but him.  bow to the master.  Kiss the rings that were won so long ago.   

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    At least the Pats won a few rings........

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    He might want to have them polished before the kissing begins - time causes tarnish.

     
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    Belichick is the king of team.  He rewrote the opening sequence of the super Bowl...  having his TEAM run out together for the first time in history.  this resulted in the end as a success.

    No one is bigger than the team.  Brady takes paycuts.  Big name players get cut or traded  (milloy, seymour, samuel, moss, Lloyd, Welker, Law, etc). 

    Versatile team players are valued... (troy brown,  Edelman(we hope), Ninkovich, )  talented individuals are discounted...  Blount, Talib (we expect).

    The IRONY is that as a coach, it is all about HIM.  He grooms his coaches from nobodies so that they carry out everything according to his own philosophy, doctrine, etc.  which has resulted in the end as a failure.


    Since the departure of coaches (weis, Crennel) that could truly be called collaborators not just underlings,  Belichick has ultimately failed in the big games.  (2 super bowls, 3 ACCCGs, 3 other playoff games)

    This perspective becomes more apparent as the years waste away,  but there was a warning back in  2005 that the loss of Weis in particular would be a damaging blow to this team.


    The IRONY is MR. Team is actually the individual talent that he shuns...  and this ends up hurting the team.     wow...   pretty deep but theres a lot of truth there for those who can handle it.

     

     

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    So what do you propose? Should he go?

    It's one thing to say the man has an ego, it's another to say...

    1) His ego is getting in the way of winning, because they are still winning more than other teams

    2) Winning as much as they do equates to failure.

    "Successful" teams have come and gone. Let's look at the teams that have won since the Pats won its first SB.

    TBB - At the bottom of the league

    PIT - Irrelevant in playoff discussions. Has been on visible decline or deep rebuild for more than a couple of years now.

    NYG - How many wins last season?

    BAL - Did they get to the playoffs last season?

    GBP and NOS - I am sure you think those teams have better players. Have they on more than one?

    Pats has been the only constant in the playoffs. While other teams make big excuses about not making the playoffs because of injuries, the Pats last year earned a playoff bye despite losing a gazillion starters from the previous year.

    Have you ever thought for a minute that perhaps a big part of the reason coaches' careers in the NFL are so short is because every other team is looking for someone who can be as successful as BB?

     

     

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    no every other team is not looking for someone like Bellichick anymore than they are looking to "emulate" the Patriots and other such conceits I see here

     
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    The discounts apply to all but him.

     

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    Care to elaborate?

     

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    Sure - we are all aware of the discounts belichick seeks from players lest they be jettisoned to browner pastures.  Given his failures shouldn't he also be giving some of his pay?

     
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    Before the Patriots won any of their three Super Bowl championships, Johnson remembers a distinct turning point game for Crennel’s defense in 2001.  

    The Patriots held a mediocre 3-4 record and started the year like they were going to miss the playoffs for the third straight season. That led to a game in early November in the Georgia dome against the Falcons, who were coming off a bye week.

    The Falcons went up seven early but some of the veteran leaders on the Patriots saw a chance for the defense to get more aggressive. They told Crennel. And he listened.

    The Patriots’ defense finished the game with nine sacks and New England beat Atlanta 24-10. The Patriots lost just one more game that season, two weeks later to the Rams by a touchdown. Then they ran the table – nine straight wins – and got revenge on St. Louis in the Super Bowl.

    And it all started because Crennel listened to his players and changed his defensive strategy.
     
    “He’s very much the coach; we were subordinates,” Johnson stressed. “It was a trust that was gained just through being together for so long. A lot of people say he is set in his ways… He’ll adapt. He’s not going to try to fit a square peg in a round hole.”

    He’ll adapt.

    this is all just proving my point that things got worse when Crennel left and BB never filed that void. I see a LOT of subliminal shots being taken at BB by these old players who played in the dynasty years. Maybe thats why Rusty hates all of them. He doesnt like any credit being taken away from BB but when you consider Racs Fingerprints on the D and the fact BB has struggled to build a great one on his own, why are we calling BB a Defensive genius?  Not saying RAC was either but apparantly he was WILLING TO ADAPT! Ony adaptation Ive seen from BB is him changing our offense to pass first after the rule changes....

     
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    Belichick is the king of team.  He rewrote the opening sequence of the super Bowl...  having his TEAM run out together for the first time in history.  this resulted in the end as a success.

    No one is bigger than the team.  Brady takes paycuts.  Big name players get cut or traded  (milloy, seymour, samuel, moss, Lloyd, Welker, Law, etc). 

    Versatile team players are valued... (troy brown,  Edelman(we hope), Ninkovich, )  talented individuals are discounted...  Blount, Talib (we expect).

    The IRONY is that as a coach, it is all about HIM.  He grooms his coaches from nobodies so that they carry out everything according to his own philosophy, doctrine, etc.  which has resulted in the end as a failure.


    Since the departure of coaches (weis, Crennel) that could truly be called collaborators not just underlings,  Belichick has ultimately failed in the big games.  (2 super bowls, 3 ACCCGs, 3 other playoff games)

    This perspective becomes more apparent as the years waste away,  but there was a warning back in  2005 that the loss of Weis in particular would be a damaging blow to this team.


    The IRONY is MR. Team is actually the individual talent that he shuns...  and this ends up hurting the team.     wow...   pretty deep but theres a lot of truth there for those who can handle it.

     

     

     

     

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    He's the highest paid coach in the league.  The discounts apply to all but him.  bow to the master.  Kiss the rings that were won so long ago.   

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    At least the Pats won a few rings........

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    He might want to have them polished before the kissing begins - time causes tarnish.

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    Laughing

     
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    Belichick is the king of team.  He rewrote the opening sequence of the super Bowl...  having his TEAM run out together for the first time in history.  this resulted in the end as a success.

    No one is bigger than the team.  Brady takes paycuts.  Big name players get cut or traded  (milloy, seymour, samuel, moss, Lloyd, Welker, Law, etc). 

    Versatile team players are valued... (troy brown,  Edelman(we hope), Ninkovich, )  talented individuals are discounted...  Blount, Talib (we expect).

    The IRONY is that as a coach, it is all about HIM.  He grooms his coaches from nobodies so that they carry out everything according to his own philosophy, doctrine, etc.  which has resulted in the end as a failure.


    Since the departure of coaches (weis, Crennel) that could truly be called collaborators not just underlings,  Belichick has ultimately failed in the big games.  (2 super bowls, 3 ACCCGs, 3 other playoff games)

    This perspective becomes more apparent as the years waste away,  but there was a warning back in  2005 that the loss of Weis in particular would be a damaging blow to this team.


    The IRONY is MR. Team is actually the individual talent that he shuns...  and this ends up hurting the team.     wow...   pretty deep but theres a lot of truth there for those who can handle it.

     

     

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    So what do you propose? Should he go?

    It's one thing to say the man has an ego, it's another to say...

    1) His ego is getting in the way of winning, because they are still winning more than other teams

    2) Winning as much as they do equates to failure.

    "Successful" teams have come and gone. Let's look at the teams that have won since the Pats won its first SB.

    TBB - At the bottom of the league

    PIT - Irrelevant in playoff discussions. Has been on visible decline or deep rebuild for more than a couple of years now.

    NYG - How many wins last season?

    BAL - Did they get to the playoffs last season?

    GBP and NOS - I am sure you think those teams have better players. Have they on more than one?

    Pats has been the only constant in the playoffs. While other teams make big excuses about not making the playoffs because of injuries, the Pats last year earned a playoff bye despite losing a gazillion starters from the previous year.

    Have you ever thought for a minute that perhaps a big part of the reason coaches' careers in the NFL are so short is because every other team is looking for someone who can be as successful as BB?

     

     

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    no every other team is not looking for someone like Bellichick anymore than they are looking to "emulate" the Patriots and other such conceits I see here

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    I did not say they are looking to emulate BB, or his style of coaching or his philosophies. They are looking to find someone who can lead their team to the success that the Pats has achieved under BB. Read better.

     

     

     
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    He's the highest paid coach in the league. 

     

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    Actually he's not.

     

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    My bad.  You are right.  Payton got his increase just last year.  Scandals now seem to be followed by larger contracts.  Funny that other coaches haven't seen the trend. 

     
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    Tell me Jints... why do you think NYG extended Coughlin for no more than one year? That despite winning the SB just recently.

     
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    Sure - we are all aware of the discounts belichick seeks from players lest they be jettisoned to browner pastures.



    Belichick has no problem handing out large contracts to players unless you want to argue that Mayo, Gronkowski, Mankins and Wilfork took less money to stay in NE.  Brady's 2010 extension made him the highest paid player in the NFL at the time.  This is a stupid narrative driven by the fact that BB has let some players go over money he didn't think they were worth.  The NFL is a business with a salary cap.  Sometimes you have to make tough decisions.  The idea that Belichick is against paying players top dollar is asinine.

     
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    Tell me Jints... why do you think NYG extended Coughlin for no more than one year? That despite winning the SB just recently.

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    team has underachieved past two seasons but he is also 68 years old

     
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    Before the Patriots won any of their three Super Bowl championships, Johnson remembers a distinct turning point game for Crennel’s defense in 2001.  

    The Patriots held a mediocre 3-4 record and started the year like they were going to miss the playoffs for the third straight season. That led to a game in early November in the Georgia dome against the Falcons, who were coming off a bye week.

    The Falcons went up seven early but some of the veteran leaders on the Patriots saw a chance for the defense to get more aggressive. They told Crennel. And he listened.

    The Patriots’ defense finished the game with nine sacks and New England beat Atlanta 24-10. The Patriots lost just one more game that season, two weeks later to the Rams by a touchdown. Then they ran the table – nine straight wins – and got revenge on St. Louis in the Super Bowl.

    And it all started because Crennel listened to his players and changed his defensive strategy.
     
    “He’s very much the coach; we were subordinates,” Johnson stressed. “It was a trust that was gained just through being together for so long. A lot of people say he is set in his ways… He’ll adapt. He’s not going to try to fit a square peg in a round hole.”

    He’ll adapt.

    this is all just proving my point that things got worse when Crennel left and BB never filed that void. I see a LOT of subliminal shots being taken at BB by these old players who played in the dynasty years. Maybe thats why Rusty hates all of them. He doesnt like any credit being taken away from BB but when you consider Racs Fingerprints on the D and the fact BB has struggled to build a great one on his own, why are we calling BB a Defensive genius?  Not saying RAC was either but apparantly he was WILLING TO ADAPT! Ony adaptation Ive seen from BB is him changing our offense to pass first after the rule changes....

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    one current example (denver game) of the defense not Adapting was watching dennard getting torched one on one against D Thomas....    How many plays in a row do you need to see before you go to plan B...?   (or was there no plan B?)  Either way ....    FAIL.

    On offense it was even more blatantly obvious that MCD has no f'n clue what tf he is doing.  Slater , mulligan... huh?  Actually no....   He knows what he is doing but it makes 99% zero sense strategically.   thats a lot of math saying he sucks as an OC.  

    And you satisfied cheerleaders should understand that failure in big games is the CRITERIA around here.   Brady is good enough onhis own to get this team to the playoffs.  2013 perfect example.   So that is an established fact.  Brady is not the problem.  It is the structure of the offense and the coaching in big games.

    Break it down Einsteins.  THis is why they lose and the #1 reason that 2-4 more lombardis are not in that trophy case. Sorry.  Belichick has dropped the ball by not bringing in more talented established coaches to replace what he had.  FAIL.  Mr team has become MR IRony. 

    Sad that Brady's last years will be wasted without a shift in this continued dimwitted approach to coaching this team.

     

     

     
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    Belichick is the king of team.  He rewrote the opening sequence of the super Bowl...  having his TEAM run out together for the first time in history.  this resulted in the end as a success.

    No one is bigger than the team.  Brady takes paycuts.  Big name players get cut or traded  (milloy, seymour, samuel, moss, Lloyd, Welker, Law, etc). 

    Versatile team players are valued... (troy brown,  Edelman(we hope), Ninkovich, )  talented individuals are discounted...  Blount, Talib (we expect).

    The IRONY is that as a coach, it is all about HIM.  He grooms his coaches from nobodies so that they carry out everything according to his own philosophy, doctrine, etc.  which has resulted in the end as a failure.


    Since the departure of coaches (weis, Crennel) that could truly be called collaborators not just underlings,  Belichick has ultimately failed in the big games.  (2 super bowls, 3 ACCCGs, 3 other playoff games)

    This perspective becomes more apparent as the years waste away,  but there was a warning back in  2005 that the loss of Weis in particular would be a damaging blow to this team.


    The IRONY is MR. Team is actually the individual talent that he shuns...  and this ends up hurting the team.     wow...   pretty deep but theres a lot of truth there for those who can handle it.

     

     

     

     

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    He's the highest paid coach in the league.  The discounts apply to all but him.  bow to the master.  Kiss the rings that were won so long ago.   

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    And Richardson still sucks...and Indiana is still the only state ever controlled by the KKK!

     
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    Belichick is the king of team.  He rewrote the opening sequence of the super Bowl...  having his TEAM run out together for the first time in history.  this resulted in the end as a success.

    No one is bigger than the team.  Brady takes paycuts.  Big name players get cut or traded  (milloy, seymour, samuel, moss, Lloyd, Welker, Law, etc). 

    Versatile team players are valued... (troy brown,  Edelman(we hope), Ninkovich, )  talented individuals are discounted...  Blount, Talib (we expect).

    The IRONY is that as a coach, it is all about HIM.  He grooms his coaches from nobodies so that they carry out everything according to his own philosophy, doctrine, etc.  which has resulted in the end as a failure.


    Since the departure of coaches (weis, Crennel) that could truly be called collaborators not just underlings,  Belichick has ultimately failed in the big games.  (2 super bowls, 3 ACCCGs, 3 other playoff games)

    This perspective becomes more apparent as the years waste away,  but there was a warning back in  2005 that the loss of Weis in particular would be a damaging blow to this team.


    The IRONY is MR. Team is actually the individual talent that he shuns...  and this ends up hurting the team.     wow...   pretty deep but theres a lot of truth there for those who can handle it.

     

     

     

     

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    He's the highest paid coach in the league.  The discounts apply to all but him.  bow to the master.  Kiss the rings that were won so long ago.   

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    No he's not.  Check your facts Dogg...it's Sean Payton.

    How many rings does he have?

    Z

     
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    Belichick is the king of team.  He rewrote the opening sequence of the super Bowl...  having his TEAM run out together for the first time in history.  this resulted in the end as a success.

    No one is bigger than the team.  Brady takes paycuts.  Big name players get cut or traded  (milloy, seymour, samuel, moss, Lloyd, Welker, Law, etc). 

    Versatile team players are valued... (troy brown,  Edelman(we hope), Ninkovich, )  talented individuals are discounted...  Blount, Talib (we expect).

    The IRONY is that as a coach, it is all about HIM.  He grooms his coaches from nobodies so that they carry out everything according to his own philosophy, doctrine, etc.  which has resulted in the end as a failure.


    Since the departure of coaches (weis, Crennel) that could truly be called collaborators not just underlings,  Belichick has ultimately failed in the big games.  (2 super bowls, 3 ACCCGs, 3 other playoff games)

    This perspective becomes more apparent as the years waste away,  but there was a warning back in  2005 that the loss of Weis in particular would be a damaging blow to this team.


    The IRONY is MR. Team is actually the individual talent that he shuns...  and this ends up hurting the team.     wow...   pretty deep but theres a lot of truth there for those who can handle it.

     

     

     

     

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    Here is the irony:

    1. the Patriots have won THREE SBs under BB. How many coaches of won 3 in their career

    2. the Patiots have been to 2 other SBs under BB and took the lead (thanks TB) late in both games... so there were tantailizingly close to winning two more!

    3. The Patriots came close to FOUR more SB berths. Two - maybe three - of them might have gone better had key injuries not weakened the team to the extent it did

    4. the Patriots under BB have I think the best regular season record and the most wins over the same number of years any team has had under ANY head coach in the history of the league.

    5. AFTER all these years of success the Patriots look like they will field one of the top 3 teams in the AFC this year. They may not be dominant today but they are competative with the best teams in the league. AGAIN.

    So perhaps YOU might see the irony in YOUR comments.

     

     

     
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    This is also a skewed stat.  Of the top 10 highest paid NFL coaches, three of them earn only half a million less than Peyton but have very few wins to show for it:

    Jeff Fisher?  When was the last time he had a winning season?  7 million per season.

    Mike Shanahan?  Laughable team those Redskins.  7 million per season.  

    Chip Kelly?  6.5 million per season.  To be fair, he won 10 games this year. 

    So for people complaining that BB is too highly paid, these coaches combined for a total of 20 wins last season, and half of those were Chip Kelly's.  BB has 20 wins in one and a half seasons.

     

     
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    In response to 42AND46's comment:
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    In response to TrueChamp's comment:
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    This is what I am talking about. This is what this board has come down to. "Fans" of this team who I am staRting to realize are newer fans because anybody who remembers the pre Kraft era thanks their lucky stars for Bill Belichick and the best record in football and the most championships in 13 years. 

    Spoiled by success, it is a disease, a sickness. It is similar to what happens with addicted gamblers. You win and you want more, feel you are entitled to more, get angry and lash out when you don't get more and think or say stupid things.

    Here is a clue, if the Patriots team had made 1 more play in 3 different years they would have 6 NFL championships in 13 years. That is how close BB got his teams. If the other teams had made 1 less crucial play they don't win, we do. It is that close. 

    We aren't broken.

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    1 or more play in 3 other years you may have 0 championships too

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    RIght. THat is why the Pats are in the hunt every year.

    Right. That is why the Pats could not get into the playoffs when the lost all those players... oh wait a minute...

    You realize people in glass houses should nto throw stones. Having a SF punt return field TWO punts without using his hands got you to the #2 game. HAving Gronk and Mankins hurt to the point of unable to being effective is what helped get you #2. A magic helmet was how you "won" #1. No Smith Barney's doing it the old fashioned way in NY.

    I suggest you of all people not throw stones.

     

     
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    In response to TrueChamp's comment:
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    This is what I am talking about. This is what this board has come down to. "Fans" of this team who I am staRting to realize are newer fans because anybody who remembers the pre Kraft era thanks their lucky stars for Bill Belichick and the best record in football and the most championships in 13 years. 

    Spoiled by success, it is a disease, a sickness. It is similar to what happens with addicted gamblers. You win and you want more, feel you are entitled to more, get angry and lash out when you don't get more and think or say stupid things.

    Here is a clue, if the Patriots team had made 1 more play in 3 different years they would have 6 NFL championships in 13 years. That is how close BB got his teams. If the other teams had made 1 less crucial play they don't win, we do. It is that close. 

    We aren't broken.

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    I agree with this. just the 2 sb's could hve went either way, it came to 1 or 2 plays. Very close. 

    I don't think the question is bb. I think the issue is better elite/ starting talent and, starters that can stay on the field. Yes, execution. Execution is a 2 part equation. To do so at the level needed to make those 1-2 plays that win games, you need the talent to do it. Then, that talent needs to perform. obviosly you can't have a starting roster of elite, so it must be done at key positions, and spread across the team. Team building. I think bb has built generally good and deep teams. I think where he struggles at times is finding that elite starter that changes a game. That makes the 1-2 plays a game that bruschi, mcginest, Faulk use to make. You just knew when the game was on the line that Tedy or Willie or Kevin would step up and make that play. I can't think of any player on this team currently that has that. There are shades of it with Brady, nink. 

     
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    In response to portfolio1's comment:
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    In response to 42AND46's comment:
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    In response to TrueChamp's comment:
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    This is what I am talking about. This is what this board has come down to. "Fans" of this team who I am staRting to realize are newer fans because anybody who remembers the pre Kraft era thanks their lucky stars for Bill Belichick and the best record in football and the most championships in 13 years. 

    Spoiled by success, it is a disease, a sickness. It is similar to what happens with addicted gamblers. You win and you want more, feel you are entitled to more, get angry and lash out when you don't get more and think or say stupid things.

    Here is a clue, if the Patriots team had made 1 more play in 3 different years they would have 6 NFL championships in 13 years. That is how close BB got his teams. If the other teams had made 1 less crucial play they don't win, we do. It is that close. 

    We aren't broken.

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    1 or more play in 3 other years you may have 0 championships too

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    RIght. THat is why the Pats are in the hunt every year.

    Right. That is why the Pats could not get into the playoffs when the lost all those players... oh wait a minute...

    You realize people in glass houses should nto throw stones. Having a SF punt return field TWO punts without using his hands got you to the #2 game. HAving Gronk and Mankins hurt to the point of unable to being effective is what helped get you #2. A magic helmet was how you "won" #1. No Smith Barney's doing it the old fashioned way in NY.

    I suggest you of all people not throw stones.

     

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    sour grapes and sore loser excuses are more Rusty's forte Porto but rather beneath you...don't worry Pats will beat the Giants...eventually : )

     
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    In response to PatsLifer's comment:
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    In response to TrueChamp's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    This is what I am talking about. This is what this board has come down to. "Fans" of this team who I am staRting to realize are newer fans because anybody who remembers the pre Kraft era thanks their lucky stars for Bill Belichick and the best record in football and the most championships in 13 years. 

    Spoiled by success, it is a disease, a sickness. It is similar to what happens with addicted gamblers. You win and you want more, feel you are entitled to more, get angry and lash out when you don't get more and think or say stupid things.

    Here is a clue, if the Patriots team had made 1 more play in 3 different years they would have 6 NFL championships in 13 years. That is how close BB got his teams. If the other teams had made 1 less crucial play they don't win, we do. It is that close. 

    We aren't broken.

    [/QUOTE]

    I agree with this. just the 2 sb's could hve went either way, it came to 1 or 2 plays. Very close. 

    I don't think the question is bb. I think the issue is better elite/ starting talent and, starters that can stay on the field. Yes, execution. Execution is a 2 part equation. To do so at the level needed to make those 1-2 plays that win games, you need the talent to do it. Then, that talent needs to perform. obviosly you can't have a starting roster of elite, so it must be done at key positions, and spread across the team. Team building. I think bb has built generally good and deep teams. I think where he struggles at times is finding that elite starter that changes a game. That makes the 1-2 plays a game that bruschi, mcginest, Faulk use to make. You just knew when the game was on the line that Tedy or Willie or Kevin would step up and make that play. I can't think of any player on this team currently that has that. There are shades of it with Brady, nink. 

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    I agree with what you said whole heartedly, but I would just add 1 part to the equation, it is step 1. Coaching...you have to have a great coaching STAFF. Not just a great head coach but great assistants,  coordinators etc.... Imo that goes hand in hand with getting "talented players" to "execute" on the field. Experienced positional coaches to get their group of guys motivated and confident during the actual game.

    I think BB's coaching cupboard was plucked too early twice and it has hurt us on the biggest stage.

    If our team is talented enough to go 12-4 on average every year, and 5 super bowls and 8 afc championship games then they are a talented football team, and surely talented enough to win super bowls. It is about more then just talent. It is about coaching plus talent, and how well they translate to execution. Early on we had all 3 steps covered, right now we are only short in 1 department and that is the most important.....a strong veteran coaching staff.

    That is what gets talented young players like Jones, Hightower,  Dobson, Boyce, Dennard and Ryan etc....to perform at a higher level and become those great clutch players you are referring to in your post. 

    You can't lose the last few minutes of both gints sb's and the 06 colts afc game which actually was the super bowl and not have great talent! 3 plays different and we have 6 championships in 13 years. We have had great teams.

     
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    cool Aide I love ya but this is really tortured logic, nice try

     

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