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    Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS!

    posted at 9/9/2009 9:20 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS!:
    In Response to Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS! : its not just a thought. its a FACT! pats' recent drafts have routinely been ranked at the bottom the past couple of years (this year's not counting yet). how can anyone...? that sir is when u know it is time to check in to your near kool aid addiction center. you may be overdosing on the stuff soon. you may need an intervention. michael felger has been saying so the past couple of years. tony mazz, who is noone's idea of a radical rabblerouser, has been saying so. u have just chosen not to listen for u surroun d yourself withother members of the pom pom choir!
    Posted by choircontrarian


    Again, you quote someone else to prove your point rather than address the arguments made against you in any logical or informational manner. The difference is that those guys get paid to keep the cr** stirred up. You do it out of ignorance. Lose the kool aid diatribe and speak in real terms. You have been presented with legitimate counterpoints and choose to ignore them. You are proving yourself a dolt every time you stroke a key.
    I take back my guess at your age. You'd have to grow up a lot to act 17. My new guess is 12.
    Can't wait for your retort....I'm guessing something along the lines of "OH YEAH?!"
     

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    Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS!

    posted at 9/9/2009 9:21 PM EDT

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    That is an abysmal average. that is what we have been up to as of late! in belichick i trust too, but facts are facts from 2006 thru the 2008 drafts! talking gostkowski the kicker, mayo and now merriweather! perhaps this trend can be changed after this year as guys like guyton and ingram step up!
    Posted by choircontrarian


    You have to take trades into account as well, Moss/Welker to get a true gauge.  It's also easy to choose a certain sample size to try and make a point.......

    I also did this excercise myself earlier, 21 of 43 picks from 2001-2008 (top 5 rounds each year) have become either starters or productive regulars on offense/defense/special teams, not to mention rookie free agents Randall Gay, Pierre Woods and Mike Wright etc. or the potential of the 2009 draft class.

    Are they perfect?  No.....
    Are they as bad as you're trying to make it seem?  No....
     

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    Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS!

    posted at 9/9/2009 9:43 PM EDT

    Just one question choir,How do you propose we change things if indeed you are right?You seem to be on some personal crusade against BB because you don't agree with his draft picks.I do trust BB because he yields results.I've learned to trust people who get the job done and found it to be quite lucrative. 2009 draft, Butler, Vollmer,Pryor,Brace,Elderman,Chung,Ingram,Hoyer,Ornberger,are all on the active roster with Tate and McKenzie on IR and Richard on the practice squad and this is why.It's cheaper to drop half of these guys next year than to risk 30 million on a high 1st round pick.Ask Detroit,Oakland,Clevland, NYJ's or SF about what a high first rd. bust can do to a team.Check out the Jets first rounder last year,Vernon Gholston,and compare him to Mayo.You think we can get an Ed Reed with every 7th rd pick and Adrian Peterson with a 6th.On a team that has been as successful as NE has been,it's really tough for a rookie to displace a veteran.Most of the past draft picks never had a chance.There's only 53 roster spots available.

     

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    Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS!

    posted at 9/9/2009 9:45 PM EDT

    Lets also not forget the GUYS who are NOT on the Patriots roster but were thier Draft Picks. I Love when people just forget about those guys. That counts when you are evaluating their player evaluations.

    We are talking about the Roster of "The Team of the Decade"!! Yeah we ALREADY know they are. Even if the Steelers win the superbowl they can not mathematically catch the patriots statistical accomplishments this decade. Argument is already over.

    2006

    Maroney -- starter, at least part of the time(injuries)... N.E. does not employ a true #1 in their system.

    D. Thomas -- starter, at some points during his tenure(injuries), traded and will probably start or equally contribute for Saints now, N.E. does not "feature" the TE in their system

    R. O'callaghan -- starter, at least for parts of seasons during his tenure, released and may be starting for the Chiefs this year

    LeKevin Smith -- Starter, at least at times(injuries) during his tenure, traded to Denver was was a starter for them before tearing his knee

    Jeremy Mincey -- I think was released but has been with the Jaguars for 3 seasons now

    Patrick Cobbs -- didn't we trade him to steelers in preseason for an additional pick? Still in the league playing for the Dolphins.

    That's just 2006, do I really need to look at 2007 and 2008 to prove what lack of information you include and take into account in forming a "valid and factual" argument?

    If the Team of the Decade with an incredibly deep roster was drafting bums those guys would be out of football not contributing, AND in SOME cases starting for other NFL teams, they would be OUT of football.

    it is ALL part of the Argument as to if the Patriots can evaluate talent or not during the draft.
     

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    Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS!

    posted at 9/9/2009 9:58 PM EDT

    I not sure if you guys understand this or not but BB is a situational drafter>>>>>>

    Jarvis Green; Starting 4:3 DE
    Wilhite/Wheatley; starting nickle backs
    Crable; jury is still out but he is a 3:4 third and fourth down rush LB
    Maroney; Jury is still out but i think his true calling will come as Kevin Faulk replacement!!! he looks good out of the backfield... ala 07 Chargers playoff game two screens 90 yards etc... he did it again the other night one catch 20 yards...

    Edleman; Gunner, punt and kick off return specialist and safety net on kick offs
    Slater; Gunner, punt and kick off return man and special teams ace plus he backs up safety and wr.

    Wilhite, Chung, Wheatley, Edleman, Slater... all set records at there colleges and universities as return specialist

    Welker - 07 draft trade
    Moss - 07 draft trade
    Mankins - 05 draft
    Kaczur - 05 draft
    Gotskowski - 06 draft
    Mayo - 08 draft
    Pierre Woods, undrafted free agent, 2006
    Meriweather - 07 Draft
    James Sanders, 05 Draft
    Guyton - Undrafted free agent, 2008
    Jake Ingram, 2009 (HUGE REPLACEMENT FOR PAXTON)
    Slater, 2008.

    2009 class;

    Edleman; he will be here for a while he is a WR/ST/QB/Wildcat specialist
    Mackenzie--- don't count him out
    Chung; will start in the nickle this year
    Brace; will start at DT in the 4:3 this year
    Prior; will replace Green as the number one DE back UP
    Vollmer; STUD he will be the LT of the future
    Ormberger; STUD, Stephen Neals replacement in 2011

    You have to look at situational football to make sense of his pick strategy he is not picking STARTERS he is picking....

    Third down rush LB
    First down run stuffin Ends
    First down DT/BT
    Nickle backs
    Snappers

    THIS YEARS DE WILL BE BETTER THAN LAST HAVE SOME FAITH
     

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    Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS!

    posted at 9/9/2009 11:07 PM EDT

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    I not sure if you guys understand this or not but BB is a situational drafter />>>>>> Jarvis Green; Starting 4:3 DE Wilhite/Wheatley; starting nickle backs Crable; jury is still out but he is a 3:4 third and fourth down rush LB Maroney; Jury is still out but i think his true calling will come as Kevin Faulk replacement!!! he looks good out of the backfield... ala 07 Chargers playoff game two screens 90 yards etc... he did it again the other night one catch 20 yards... Edleman; Gunner, punt and kick off return specialist and safety net on kick offs Slater; Gunner, punt and kick off return man and special teams ace plus he backs up safety and wr. Wilhite, Chung, Wheatley, Edleman, Slater... all set records at there colleges and universities as return specialist Welker - 07 draft trade Moss - 07 draft trade Mankins - 05 draft Kaczur - 05 draft Gotskowski - 06 draft Mayo - 08 draft Pierre Woods, undrafted free agent, 2006 Meriweather - 07 Draft James Sanders, 05 Draft Guyton - Undrafted free agent, 2008 Jake Ingram, 2009 (HUGE REPLACEMENT FOR PAXTON) Slater, 2008. 2009 class; Edleman; he will be here for a while he is a WR/ST/QB/Wildcat specialist Mackenzie--- don't count him out Chung; will start in the nickle this year Brace; will start at DT in the 4:3 this year Prior; will replace Green as the number one DE back UP Vollmer; STUD he will be the LT of the future Ormberger; STUD, Stephen Neals replacement in 2011 You have to look at situational football to make sense of his pick strategy he is not picking STARTERS he is picking.... Third down rush LB First down run stuffin Ends First down DT/BT Nickle backs Snappers THIS YEARS DE WILL BE BETTER THAN LAST HAVE SOME FAITH
    Posted by tagandtrade


    You are absolutely right, and this is another situation that the OP failed to consider, though it's no surprise. Nobody talked about this on the radio today - lol.
     

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    Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS!

    posted at 9/9/2009 11:11 PM EDT

    Let's also not forget they forfeited their 1st round pick in 2008. We KNOW what their track record is on first round picks so that one would have been a stud(starter) more than likely.

    That would have been right in your specified time span.
     

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    Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS!

    posted at 9/10/2009 12:08 AM EDT

    here's an argument for ya.

    Would you rather had the Raiders draft choices?  They had a lot of players make their roster during those years and they still stink.  I don't mean to pick on the Raiders but hey, they've been in the news lately.

    The way I see it it's all relative.  The Pats are good and deep therefor it makes it a tad harder for a rookie to make the team.  You can judge the quality of the draft by the players that have signed on with other teams and the draft pick trades for Welker and Moss.
     

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    posted at 9/10/2009 9:46 AM EDT

    In Response to Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS!:
    Let's also not forget they forfeited their 1st round pick in 2008. We KNOW what their track record is on first round picks so that one would have been a stud(starter) more than likely. That would have been right in your specified time span.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ
    well, was that NOT belichick's fault? or r u seriously going to roll with the kool aiders and say he "misinterpreted" the most obvious of obvious rules. i love belichick so much my kid is named BILL in his honor but come on, when he is wrong or off, he is wrong! yes, bill has been GREAT in other areas of the draft and in crafting a team, but again, in this area he has been FLAWED! 
     

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    Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS!

    posted at 9/10/2009 1:53 PM EDT

    Hold on guys give this kid a minute to respond.....he has to go turn on his radio and wait for someone to talk about the Pats and the draft so he know what to think. Could be awhile before someone calls in with a question in regards to this thread so he might not know how to respond till Felger or Mazz give him the answer. Lots of people listen to sports radio but only tools take what they hear and try and pass it off as their own thought. If you knew anything about football you could talk about this stuff with out taking something said on the radio and word for word repeating it as your own thought.
     

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    Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS!

    posted at 9/10/2009 2:09 PM EDT

    The fact of the matter is that on a good team open roster spots are tougher to come by.  An argument could easily be made that based on their recent history, on the field, the lack of open roster spots is ia reflection of the quality of players they have on the team and the minimal loss of players to free agency.   

    One could also argue that BB's philosophy that he's going to keep the best players (see Hoyer vs. O'Connell) might hurt the statistic you are analyzing but in the long run makes the Pat's a better team.
     

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    Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS!

    posted at 9/10/2009 2:31 PM EDT

    Typical forum reaction to dissenters.  The guy has a point - BB's actual draft picks haven't worked out very well in that time period.  The very valid counterpoint I've heard is that BB does magnificently in every other phase of personnel decisions.  He's obviously feasted off the Raiders as of late, and the Seymore trade is beautiful (if it sticks).  But as far as evaluating college talent, he's stunk it up recently.  It's even hard to give him too much credit for the starters he got those years - it didn't take a genius to pick out Mayo, Meriweather hasn't exactly set the world on fire in his first two years, and the Pats may have been one of only a few teams in the market for a kicker the year they brought in AV's replacement.  I do think Wilhite was a good pick, though.

    This year, I'd have to say it seems like the team drafted alright.  I only watched one pre-season game, and Butler and Chung looked really raw...but BB didn't draft them to start this year; they're very good athletes who can develop.  Volmers sounds promising, and he's the draft pick the "experts" said was taken too high.  I love the notion of Kiper and other "experts" second guessing teams of people who are paid to make these decisions...
     

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    posted at 9/10/2009 3:26 PM EDT

    You are right, the guy has a point. But it was not his point to make he posted word for word what he heard someone say on the radio so s crew this kid. Belichick has had far more good picks then bad picks and maybe if this tool could think for himself he would know that but he cant which is why he just spews out the same BS he hears the talking heads spit out and passes it off as his own thought. It was dumb when tehtalking heads said it and it was even dumber for him to try and pass it off as his own thought.
     

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    posted at 9/10/2009 3:27 PM EDT

    A somewhat objective way to assess whether or not our past drafts were great, average, or poor is to look at the number of free agents on the 53-man roster, especially the starters.  I remember a game against the Colts, I think in the year they won the SB (not sure) where the announcers were giving kudos to the Pats and Colts for their drafting ability.  They used free agents as an example.  At the time, the Colts had one player on their entire roster who was not drafted by them.  The Pats only had a few.  The reality of the NFL has not materially changed since that observation was stated.

    While it is fair to say that FA's augment the draft, is it also fair to look at the FA count on your roster to judge past drafts?  I believe the FA count on our roster is fairly high at the moment compared to our SB years.  I haven't compared each roster, this is just my eyeball observation.  I'm sure if I need glasses someone will point that out.  Anyway, if that is the case, it supports the case that the 2006-2008 drafts were rather average.  I think this year's draft will turn out very good, and the drafts in our championship years were pretty good.  I'm not sure why everyone has jumped on the initial poster and acted like we should put the 2006-2008 drafts in the draft hall of fame.  C'mon, how many people on this board have made similar comments?  

    There are those who would claim a filet mignon served by BB is a piece of sh%t, and there are those who would claim a steamer laid by BB is a filet mignon.  Do we have any moderate posters out there?
     

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    posted at 9/10/2009 3:27 PM EDT

    There are hits and misses in every teams draft.  But if the reason for looking at recent draft success is to correlate it with success on the field then which team is expected to contend for a Super Bowl, as the Patriots are, that can attribute this to fantastic draft classes over the past three years? 

    Don't forget where winning in the NFL puts you in the draft order, at or near the bottom of each round.   Not saying they might not have done better but the solid picks over the years have really contributed to the sustained success of this team.
     
    BTW it's a little ridiculous not to give them credit for the hits (Mayo and Gostkowski) and then to criticize the misses. 
     

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    posted at 9/10/2009 4:17 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS!:
    A somewhat objective way to assess whether or not our past drafts were great, average, or poor is to look at the number of free agents on the 53-man roster, especially the starters.  I remember a game against the Colts, I think in the year they won the SB (not sure) where the announcers were giving kudos to the Pats and Colts for their drafting ability.  They used free agents as an example.  At the time, the Colts had one player on their entire roster who was not drafted by them.  The Pats only had a few.  The reality of the NFL has not materially changed since that observation was stated. While it is fair to say that FA's augment the draft, is it also fair to look at the FA count on your roster to judge past drafts?  I believe the FA count on our roster is fairly high at the moment compared to our SB years.  I haven't compared each roster, this is just my eyeball observation.  I'm sure if I need glasses someone will point that out.  Anyway, if that is the case, it supports the case that the 2006-2008 drafts were rather average.  I think this year's draft will turn out very good, and the drafts in our championship years were pretty good.  I'm not sure why everyone has jumped on the initial poster and acted like we should put the 2006-2008 drafts in the draft hall of fame.  C'mon, how many people on this board have made similar comments?   There are those who would claim a filet mignon served by BB is a piece of sh%t, and there are those who would claim a steamer laid by BB is a filet mignon.  Do we have any moderate posters out there?
    Posted by carawaydj
    great point there caraway. most of the time bel's filet mignon is the BEST filet mignon ever. but sometimes it does taste like sh%t or a steamer. its not just the members of this board who go to the nutty extreme but the moderators tend to side with them when they ban folks like reg122 and commiemoderator who try to use socratic principles to civilly stimulate different contrarian dialogues and moderacy by default. 

    i am a fan thus i want the pats to always win and i want every move to work even if i disagree. even when he is "sneaky", i ultimately want belichick to ALWAYS win and be successful. but sometimes it is important to not just bring the pom poms but to also question and challenge certain decisions. sometimes the koolaid is a little off. we may be the team of the decade but we still have not won one in 5 years. hopefully that changes this year. sey really only had 1 1/2 flawed years yet so many here conveniently ignore the TOTAL picture of his greatness to only focus on the narrow sample that reinforces their argument. i think bel should be judged by the same standards as he judges others. it is about the NOW and the immediate future, which is always a small sample by default! of the 10 things it takes to win, bel is close to a 10 on most of them which is y we win. on this one point, about his recent 2006-08 picks of college-specific talent, he will not be put into Canton. 

    something has gone wrong with how they develop that talent. when an o'connell fails, that has to be put largely on belichick. he was a highly touted third round choice that most still believe can be great in this league (Flaccoish). so what if we know how to select guys who become great elsewhere after we cut them?baltimore ravens are by far SUPERIOR in this area than we are. same with pittsburgh, SD and other good teams we must compete with. as a fan, i want to socratically know y that is. we cant just dismiss it because we are great in other areas or the end result ends up good. u keep ignoring this area, soon u have a quality-control problem that will soon impact the final results. we are not the first team to be a team of the decade. do we want to be asleep at the wheel and suffer through what the cowboys, raiders and 49ers have gone through? had i told u after 2004, we would not win another super bowl in 5 seasons, would most of you have believed me?

     

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    Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS!

    posted at 9/10/2009 4:38 PM EDT

    "had i told u after 2004, we would not win another super bowl in 5 seasons, would most of you have believed me?"

    No, I wou;ld have bet they'd have won one in 2005 against the Eagles 24-21.
     

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    posted at 9/10/2009 4:49 PM EDT

    I think the point is probably more along the line of questioning the patriots recent ability to identify the talent of an unproven commodity.  You can eliminate the picks, and its a solid point, the fact is the pats field a great team, but trades for Moss and Welker while improving the team, were for proven commodies.. Belichek and the Pats knew these guys would better work in the pats system, then in the current environments where they were not being properly utilized..

    All of that said, this is a team built to win now, and we have so many veteran starters its hard to draft those guys to fill the holes when team needs are less obvious. Chad Jackson, was a miss, but he wasn't a need he was a Luxury, a speed reciever with size that had potential to be great, to you take a flyer on him.. I think when there has been those "need guys" the pats have filled that need with great players, Vinateri out, Gostkowski in, Aging line backers, Mayo in.. etc..


     

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    posted at 9/10/2009 4:50 PM EDT

    So basicly this kid is reg122 with a new name. Should have known it was reg122 as soon as I saw him try and pass off Felgers thoughts as his own. So how long till his third name gets banned?
     

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    Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS!

    posted at 9/10/2009 4:50 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS!:

    In Response to Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS! : so what? that was a decade ago. things change. my gratitude is about today! thanks to bel for the past and sentiments and all the other great things that he does and has done. but for now, he stinks in that draftpickg area. hopefully, this year's piks can change that. i m glad about the piks he has made and the special advisor guy from the titans that he has consulting on most of the pickings and doing the negotiations!
    Posted by choircontrarian

    ......................................

    You are absolutely correct. You should be hoping Bob Kraft fires BB and then sells the Patriots to Al Davis. That would make you happy wouldn't it?

     

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    posted at 9/10/2009 4:56 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS!:
    In Response to Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS! : You can't make your point, so you begin vulgar personal attacks. How very mature. Reality? Reality shows one of the best records in football over BB's entire tenure, including since the last SB victory. Independent facts ? Small sampling sizes and incomplete data are not independent facts; they are irresponsible misrepresentations. You obviously have no actual knowledge on the subject you chose to debate. Every time you repost, you simply serve to magnify your ignorance. Argue the point with real counter arguments or crawl back under your bridge, troll. 
    Posted by markes8336

    oh, glad u practice that non-personal thing... so i am now a troll? you couldnt find a more passionate pats fan. i just believe in socratically questiong the kool aid every so often. i like how belichick thinks and does things overall. i even agree with his logic over trading seymour minus the lack of empathy and respect he appeared to show a warrior like seymour. however, i think we should hold him to the same standards that he judges his own players by. fact is this team has not won a SB in 5 years. noone would have found that acceptable 5 years ago. everyone is on seymour's case to his SMALL sample of poor performance prior to last season, yet when that doesnt work for your sentiments when i likewise apply that logic to bel in his ONE obvious area of weakness, you throw a tantrum.

    anyways dude, i too am a fan. i am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, willing to see how the season flows. i hope this draft has a few gems going into next year and we can build a younger core nucleus of players going forward. i hope we WIN the SB this year! bel is human. he does most things right but he is not perfect. just as he points those flaws to a brady, he too should be judged and analyzed with the same scrutiny.

     

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    posted at 9/10/2009 5:03 PM EDT

    You are a troll and you are not fooling anyone Reg122.
     

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    posted at 9/10/2009 5:06 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS!:
    Lets also not forget the GUYS who are NOT on the Patriots roster but were thier Draft Picks. I Love when people just forget about those guys. That counts when you are evaluating their player evaluations. We are talking about the Roster of "The Team of the Decade"!! Yeah we ALREADY know they are. Even if the Steelers win the superbowl they can not mathematically catch the patriots statistical accomplishments this decade. Argument is already over. 2006 Maroney -- starter, at least part of the time(injuries)... N.E. does not employ a true #1 in their system. D. Thomas -- starter, at some points during his tenure(injuries), traded and will probably start or equally contribute for Saints now, N.E. does not "feature" the TE in their system R. O'callaghan -- starter, at least for parts of seasons during his tenure, released and may be starting for the Chiefs this year LeKevin Smith -- Starter, at least at times(injuries) during his tenure, traded to Denver was was a starter for them before tearing his knee Jeremy Mincey -- I think was released but has been with the Jaguars for 3 seasons now Patrick Cobbs -- didn't we trade him to steelers in preseason for an additional pick? Still in the league playing for the Dolphins. That's just 2006, do I really need to look at 2007 and 2008 to prove what lack of information you include and take into account in forming a "valid and factual" argument? If the Team of the Decade with an incredibly deep roster was drafting bums those guys would be out of football not contributing, AND in SOME cases starting for other NFL teams, they would be OUT of football. it is ALL part of the Argument as to if the Patriots can evaluate talent or not during the draft.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ

    i dont necessarily agree with your conclusions but i do respect how u use your logic to reach objective conclusions. ultimately, i care more about guys we draft from college and actually KEEP and successfully develop on the freakin roster like hoyer hopefully, like mayo, like guyton hopefully, like gostkowski, like mankins in the old days, like wilfork from the old days, and so on. i could care less if a o'callaghan becomes great with the chiefs. he could have and perhaps SHOULD have done it here. 
     

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    Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS!

    posted at 9/10/2009 5:06 PM EDT

    So rather then respond to the mans good points against you, you simply point out how he insulted you? Could you be ducking someone anymore? What a trolling little punk.
     

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    Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS!

    posted at 9/10/2009 5:12 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: ONLY 3 STARTERS OUT OF 26 PICKS FROM 2006-2008 PATRIOT DRAFTS!:
    I not sure if you guys understand this or not but BB is a situational drafter />>>>>> Jarvis Green; Starting 4:3 DE Wilhite/Wheatley; starting nickle backs Crable; jury is still out but he is a 3:4 third and fourth down rush LB Maroney; Jury is still out but i think his true calling will come as Kevin Faulk replacement!!! he looks good out of the backfield... ala 07 Chargers playoff game two screens 90 yards etc... he did it again the other night one catch 20 yards... Edleman; Gunner, punt and kick off return specialist and safety net on kick offs Slater; Gunner, punt and kick off return man and special teams ace plus he backs up safety and wr. Wilhite, Chung, Wheatley, Edleman, Slater... all set records at there colleges and universities as return specialist Welker - 07 draft trade Moss - 07 draft trade Mankins - 05 draft Kaczur - 05 draft Gotskowski - 06 draft Mayo - 08 draft Pierre Woods, undrafted free agent, 2006 Meriweather - 07 Draft James Sanders, 05 Draft Guyton - Undrafted free agent, 2008 Jake Ingram, 2009 (HUGE REPLACEMENT FOR PAXTON) Slater, 2008. 2009 class; Edleman; he will be here for a while he is a WR/ST/QB/Wildcat specialist Mackenzie--- don't count him out Chung; will start in the nickle this year Brace; will start at DT in the 4:3 this year Prior; will replace Green as the number one DE back UP Vollmer; STUD he will be the LT of the future Ormberger; STUD, Stephen Neals replacement in 2011 You have to look at situational football to make sense of his pick strategy he is not picking STARTERS he is picking.... Third down rush LB First down run stuffin Ends First down DT/BT Nickle backs Snappers THIS YEARS DE WILL BE BETTER THAN LAST HAVE SOME FAITH
    Posted by tagandtrade
    again, this makes a lot of sense. i would actually reconsider my position on certain things. that is my point of startg these kinds of threads. i want to inspire some independent non-koolaid-echo chamber thinkg and read some creative conclusions. i have a lot of hope for this draft and was glad when he hired the guy who ran TN's draft for years as his special advisor. thatguy has a great track record in the area in which i m pointg out bel's flaws. obviously, bel also realizes that he wasnt going canton on his 2006-08 drafts, based on the players he actually kept and largely could not adequately develop.
     

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