Re: ONLY reason I forgive Brady
posted at 9/13/2013 3:02 PM EDT
In response to Low-FB-IQ's comment:
In response to zbellino's comment:
In response to Low-FB-IQ's comment:
In response to zbellino's comment:
Haha. Someone is a Waaahbaby ..... but it's not Tom.
Get over it. The guy chews out rookies. Ever been on a football field before? That's how it works.
Complaining about the couple of passes that were errant, out of nearly 40 is insane. Any player is going to make a couple mistakes. The announcers were spot on: the overwhelming majority of Brady's throws were right on target. The players weren't where they should have been or were dropping easily catchable balls, or worse, were not even playing with their head in the game.
The rookies should be yelled at. That's what you do to rookies, especially when they are playing like they are clueless. They are so underprepard right now. Why are they on the sidelines staring into space after they just misran routes and had no idea what was going on? They should have been there with their positional coach, or a playbook, or snaps of the last set of downs, going over what they needed to do.
It's not your Qb's responsibility to 'coach' WRs. They are players like eveyone else. They have their own positional coaches they need to talk to on the sideline, and their own sideline routine. New England actually PAYS a person to coach WRs. His name is Chad O'Shea. They also pay Wr's to learn a playbook, which is what they should have been doing. If you need a cheerleader to come and force you to consult your positional coach or look at some glossies of what you did wrong, you've already quit.
LOL yeah and I would be happy to compare our coaching histories anytime you like.
I've actually coached in Gillette multiple times. Have you?
The best part is you act like I excused the WR's anywhere in my post. ANYWHERE?
But since you are following along making my point abount people discounting Toms own hard words about himself I am not sure how serious I should take anything you say.
Haha. I've played in Sullivan multiple times and coached High School and PW. Are you trying to impress me? A B-team pee-wee or flag football team can get brought into Gillette ... it's called community engagement. It's not a credential?
But if you want to talk X's and O's .... here is an answer ... if a WR is 'overthrown' by 12 yards, and there is not an interception or play on the ball by a safety ... the WR cut his route short. Here is some simple football knowledge that clues the viewer in. If the WR had been there, he would have caught it, if the WR shouldn't have been there there would have been a deep safety in coverage. That's how variable patterns work. You come out after the snap, and your route changes depending on where deep coverage goes in order to exploit the holes the defense leaves up top.
If Brady is chewing Edelman out, it's because Edelman cut a route off when he should have taken the route to daylight. As far as "three" (nice imaginary number) passes in the dirt ... the one that was in the dirt was because no one was open. You instruct Qb's to throw the ball into the dirt when no one is open.
Those are on no one in particular, but are a result of good coverage by the defense and proper coaching by the offense.
Lastly, I made no points (I didn't even reference it as a matter of fact) about Tom and self-critique. Your comment (and lacl of understanding about NFL route concepts) is kind of a non-sequitur and causes me to doubt why I should take anything you say seriously.
I have no need to impress you or anyone else. In fact you started the whole thing about ever being on a football field in the first place. ...but simply for clarification, since you are questioning... It was 7 times coaching in HS Div1a superbowl appearances, 3 as OC, 4 as HC, some at Gillete. You also mentioned you played so I guess I have to mentioned I played QB in HS and college as well. Not that it matters. My pw coaching days never had any community outreach appearances to big stadiums for any of my championship appearances. Then again I am in my 60's and retired after a fight with Cancer. Many things were very different in youth sports back then.
Your points are elementary and fundamental. That is not a knock. Just a statement. I understand them very well and still say Brady shares in certain play failures. The generalizations you use, while valid, do not fit ever situation you explain or rather I questioned. ...and certainly not every situation in an entire game. Neither last weeks or this week.
You certainly seemed to be in some sort of personal attack mode from the start.
Maybe you were upset I laughed about you complaining about the Ridley pick when i asked your opinion back when he was drafted since you were a big LSU guy. Although I don't remember ever bringing up the fact that you were way off base? I mean who the hell is always right on college player evaluations?
You certainly do not need to specifically reference a point to fall into the category of one I made. You can do that just by your response alone.
I also don't know if you are misunderstanding about the balls in the dirt but I was referencing last week with that, not last nights game. I don't have imaginary numbers. I also am well aware of the idea of one of many "potential" reasons for a ball in the dirt. Although TB typically puts the ball low and away so that his Receiver is the ONLY one that has a chance at it without actually throwing in in the dirt. I'm glad you think you know the exact reason it was in the dirt though.
Also to be clear, I have no problem with any player and or coach getting into the face of a player. In fact I was that way myself. I do however think Brady is in a situation, at the moment, where he needs to choose wisely, not when, but maybe for how long. Especially off the field well after the play or series is finished. Forget anything to do with it being about someone else and get back to looking at the captures and make the adjustments. You are the best player, do your thing, make it quick, stamp your feet, slam your helmet, throw a water bottle, and get back to work. It is counter productive for himself most of all, if it lingers.
Bottom line is most are reacting like this was a post speficically about Brady being bad or at fault or some issue I have with him. I don't. In fact the title of the post states he has a pass in my eyes. The post is about the avg fan who actually believes TB is never at fault, for anything. ...and many of the reactions and responses have affirmed that. Well, that and I think a lot of people respond without actually reading what is written.
This is a good debate between you two. I have no coaching credentials at all, but it seems to me that there are two different things to evaluate:
Who's making the mistakes executing plays. Here I tend to agree with Z that most of the mistakes we've seen are the receivers' mistakes; this is not to say Brady is perfect and never makes mistakes. For instance, I think the fumble against the Bills was on him, and I thought his intercepted throw to Gronk in the 2011 Super Bowl was poor judgment. But overall, he's one of the most mistake-free QBs ever.
Whether Brady crossed the line in yelling at the rookies. I'm not a big yeller myself, and I tend to agree with ATJ that losing control of one's emotions is usually poor leadership, but not knowing the situation, I really can't say whether Brady acted poorly. He seems to think he did though, so he probably did. Admitting you mistakes, though, (and correcting them) is a sign of good leadership.