ONLY reason I forgive Brady

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    I can't believe Brady has the nerve to think that a hall of fame quarterback should be surrounded by competent professionals. Shame on him. 

    Brady should have been 100 percent on board with gutting the offense, lowballing impact players, fielding inexperienced rookies, drafting and signing players with injury histories, and hoping for the best.

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    One important guy left, I'd hardly call that a gutting. Another key guy got arrested about a month before camp and some others are out injured but will be back. 

    If Vereen, Gronk and DA are back and the rookies aren't being asked to carry the load but rather to just play a supporting role, this is a dangerous team. If they're at or better than .500 by then, it's all good.  All this stuff will be forgotten. 

    It's absolutely extraordinary that so much is being asked of new guys and it's not how it was designed during free agency and the draft, but it is what it is. The crybabies on this board make Brady look like Winston Churchill.

    Let's say they get in the playoffs and have relative health. Are you afraid of Manning and his sub .500 playoff record? Maybe Matt Schaub has you quaking in your boots? Fact is, if they get through this stretch and get their guys back, they have as good a chance as any AFC team of winning the conference.

     

     

     

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    Maybe it is what it is but what it was in the off-season was that Gronk, DA were big question marks, and Vereen was not even in anyone mind before we saw how he played in the Bills game.  Yes it is absolute extraordinary that it came down to the team depending on the new guys and to say that it is all due to injuries to those 3 guys ignoring the glaring risks that exist all these times and the bad planning that discount the possibility that Gronk and DA might not see the field that much in the first place.

     

     

     

    Now, the mantra is if those guys come back, we will be ok.  It is what it is, I guess.

     

     

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    Vereen is the reason they didn't re-sign Woodhead. he was absolutely always in the plan.

     

     

     

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    That's not what you said in your post. You said they didn't know what they had in Vereen... they most certainly did.

    To answer your question it will be next man up. It will depend on down/distance and situation... Washington ,Bolden perhaps e ven Ridley in certain situations.

     
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    I can't believe Brady has the nerve to think that a hall of fame quarterback should be surrounded by competent professionals. Shame on him. 

    Brady should have been 100 percent on board with gutting the offense, lowballing impact players, fielding inexperienced rookies, drafting and signing players with injury histories, and hoping for the best.

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    One important guy left, I'd hardly call that a gutting. Another key guy got arrested about a month before camp and some others are out injured but will be back. 

    If Vereen, Gronk and DA are back and the rookies aren't being asked to carry the load but rather to just play a supporting role, this is a dangerous team. If they're at or better than .500 by then, it's all good.  All this stuff will be forgotten. 

    It's absolutely extraordinary that so much is being asked of new guys and it's not how it was designed during free agency and the draft, but it is what it is. The crybabies on this board make Brady look like Winston Churchill.

    Let's say they get in the playoffs and have relative health. Are you afraid of Manning and his sub .500 playoff record? Maybe Matt Schaub has you quaking in your boots? Fact is, if they get through this stretch and get their guys back, they have as good a chance as any AFC team of winning the conference.

     

     

     

     

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    Maybe it is what it is but what it was in the off-season was that Gronk, DA were big question marks, and Vereen was not even in anyone mind before we saw how he played in the Bills game.  Yes it is absolute extraordinary that it came down to the team depending on the new guys and to say that it is all due to injuries to those 3 guys ignoring the glaring risks that exist all these times and the bad planning that discount the possibility that Gronk and DA might not see the field that much in the first place.

     

     

     

     

    Now, the mantra is if those guys come back, we will be ok.  It is what it is, I guess.

     

     

     

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    Vereen is the reason they didn't re-sign Woodhead. he was absolutely always in the plan.

     

     

     

     

     

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    That's not what you said in your post. You said they didn't know what they had in Vereen... they most certainly did.

     

    To answer your question it will be next man up. It will depend on down/distance and situation... Washington ,Bolden perhaps e ven Ridley in certain situations.

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    I did not say that...

     
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    I can't believe Brady has the nerve to think that a hall of fame quarterback should be surrounded by competent professionals. Shame on him. 

    Brady should have been 100 percent on board with gutting the offense, lowballing impact players, fielding inexperienced rookies, drafting and signing players with injury histories, and hoping for the best.

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    One important guy left, I'd hardly call that a gutting. Another key guy got arrested about a month before camp and some others are out injured but will be back. 

    If Vereen, Gronk and DA are back and the rookies aren't being asked to carry the load but rather to just play a supporting role, this is a dangerous team. If they're at or better than .500 by then, it's all good.  All this stuff will be forgotten. 

    It's absolutely extraordinary that so much is being asked of new guys and it's not how it was designed during free agency and the draft, but it is what it is. The crybabies on this board make Brady look like Winston Churchill.

    Let's say they get in the playoffs and have relative health. Are you afraid of Manning and his sub .500 playoff record? Maybe Matt Schaub has you quaking in your boots? Fact is, if they get through this stretch and get their guys back, they have as good a chance as any AFC team of winning the conference.

     

     

     

     

     

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    Maybe it is what it is but what it was in the off-season was that Gronk, DA were big question marks, and Vereen was not even in anyone mind before we saw how he played in the Bills game.  Yes it is absolute extraordinary that it came down to the team depending on the new guys and to say that it is all due to injuries to those 3 guys ignoring the glaring risks that exist all these times and the bad planning that discount the possibility that Gronk and DA might not see the field that much in the first place.

     

     

     

     

     

    Now, the mantra is if those guys come back, we will be ok.  It is what it is, I guess.

     

     

     

     

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    Vereen is the reason they didn't re-sign Woodhead. he was absolutely always in the plan.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Now who plays third down back?

     

     

     

     

     

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    That's not what you said in your post. You said they didn't know what they had in Vereen... they most certainly did.

     

     

    To answer your question it will be next man up. It will depend on down/distance and situation... Washington ,Bolden perhaps e ven Ridley in certain situations.

     

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    I did not say that...

     

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    So what does "Vereen was not even in anyone mind before we saw how he played in the Bills game" mean? 

     
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    So what does "Vereen was not even in anyone mind before we saw how he played in the Bills game" mean?



    I think I meant for us fan, he was not a proven and consistent contributor yet.  Of course, he was the obvious replacement for Woodhead.  If getting rid of almost all of your receiving production unnecessarily and things fall apart in the department is not a legitimate criticism of what happen and it is all BS, then I don't know what to say.

     

     
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    So what does "Vereen was not even in anyone mind before we saw how he played in the Bills game" mean?

     



    I think I meant for us fan, he was not a proven and consistent contributor yet.  Of course, he was the obvious replacement for Woodhead.  If getting rid of almost all of your receiving production unnecessarily and things fall apart in the department is not a legitimate criticism of what happen and it is all BS, then I don't know what to say.

     

     

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    They swapped out Welker for Amnedola, Hernandez was out of the blue.

    Nobody knows why Lloyd was dumped but it doesn't appear he was wanted by any team or wants to play himself. Will the rookies equal his production??? most likely not but i think as the season progresses we will be pleasantly surprised by Dobson.

     
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    So what does "Vereen was not even in anyone mind before we saw how he played in the Bills game" mean?

     

     



    I think I meant for us fan, he was not a proven and consistent contributor yet.  Of course, he was the obvious replacement for Woodhead.  If getting rid of almost all of your receiving production unnecessarily and things fall apart in the department is not a legitimate criticism of what happen and it is all BS, then I don't know what to say.

     

     

     

     

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    They swapped out Welker for Amnedola, Hernandez was out of the blue.

     

    Nobody knows why Lloyd was dumped but it doesn't appear he was wanted by any team or wants to play himself. Will the rookies equal his production??? most likely not but i think as the season progresses we will be pleasantly surprised by Dobson.

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    Yep, if Welker is here, this is probably not a big issue.  They don't like him somehow, and it is their call, but now it is a big issue.

     
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    Yep, if Welker is here, this is probably not a big issue.  They don't like him somehow, and it is their call, but now it is a big issue.

     

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    You make a valid point regarding Welker. Amendola has already missed a game it something people were worried about.

    I will say this. With welker in the first game I don't think the Pat's win. The ball DA caught on 3rd and 10 for 13 yards in the 4th qtr to keep go ahead drive alive is a ball I don't think WW ctaches. They won the 2nd game without him so as of right now it hasn't hurt them.

    going forward though you will be proven correct if DA can't get back on the field.

     
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    If Brady didn't show emotion, I would have a problem with it.  

    Both Brady and the fans here need to have some more patience, Brady said as much in his post game presser... why we feel the need to expound on it endlessly is the bigger question.

     
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    Haha. Someone is a Waaahbaby ..... but it's not Tom.

    Get over it. The guy chews out rookies. Ever been on a football field before? That's how it works.

    Complaining about the couple of passes that were errant, out of nearly 40 is insane. Any player is going to make a couple mistakes. The announcers were spot on: the overwhelming majority of Brady's throws were right on target. The players weren't where they should have been or were dropping easily catchable balls, or worse, were not even playing with their head in the game. 

    The rookies should be yelled at. That's what you do to rookies, especially when they are playing like they are clueless. They are so underprepard right now. Why are they on the sidelines staring into space after they just misran routes and had no idea what was going on? They should have been there with their positional coach, or a playbook, or snaps of the last set of downs, going over what they needed to do.

    It's not your Qb's responsibility to 'coach' WRs. They are players like eveyone else. They have their own positional coaches they need to talk to on the sideline, and their own sideline routine. New England actually PAYS a person to coach WRs. His name is Chad O'Shea. They also pay Wr's to learn a playbook, which is what they should have been doing. If you need a cheerleader to come and force you to consult your positional coach or look at some glossies of what you did wrong, you've already quit. 

     

     



    LOL yeah and I would be happy to compare our coaching histories anytime you like.

     

     

    I've actually coached in Gillette multiple times. Have you?

    The best part is you act like I excused the WR's anywhere in my post. ANYWHERE?

    But since you are following along making my point abount people discounting Toms own hard words about himself I am not sure how serious I should take anything you say.

     

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    Haha. I've played in Sullivan multiple times and coached High School and PW. Are you trying to impress me? A B-team pee-wee or flag football team can get brought into Gillette ... it's called community engagement. It's not a credential?

     

    But if you want to talk X's and O's .... here is an answer ... if a WR is 'overthrown' by 12 yards, and there is not an interception or play on the ball by a safety ... the WR cut his route short. Here is some simple football knowledge that clues the viewer in. If the WR had been there, he would have caught it, if the WR shouldn't have been there there would have been a deep safety in coverage. That's how variable patterns work. You come out after the snap, and your route changes depending on where deep coverage goes in order to exploit the holes the defense leaves up top. 

    If Brady is chewing Edelman out, it's because Edelman cut a route off when he should have taken the route to daylight. As far as "three" (nice imaginary number) passes in the dirt ... the one that was in the dirt was because no one was open. You instruct Qb's to throw the ball into the dirt when no one is open. 

    Those are on no one in particular, but are a result of good coverage by the defense and proper coaching by the offense. 

    Lastly, I made no points (I didn't even reference it as a matter of fact) about Tom and self-critique. Your comment (and lacl of understanding about NFL route concepts) is kind of a non-sequitur and causes me to doubt why I should take anything you say seriously. 

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    If Brady didn't show emotion, I would have a problem with it.  

    Both Brady and the fans here need to have some more patience, Brady said as much in his post game presser... why we feel the need to expound on it endlessly is the bigger question.

     



    I don't want to see that display on the sideline ever again.  No one is talking about passion or intensity here.

     

    The act is old and he knows the cameras are running.  Enough defending it. It was embarrassing and thousands agree.

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    I'm not one of those thousands.  I will watch that anytime they suck that bad.  If you don't want to see it, watch the Jests. 

    I find it amusing that in a game where someone gets hit out of bounds and a fight breaks out with two Jest players getting ejected then not leaving the field, we are here talking about Brady. 

    As a fan, you suck.  Sulky little baby. 

     
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    If Brady didn't show emotion, I would have a problem with it.  

    Both Brady and the fans here need to have some more patience, Brady said as much in his post game presser... why we feel the need to expound on it endlessly is the bigger question.

     

     



    I don't want to see that display on the sideline ever again.  No one is talking about passion or intensity here.

     

     

    The act is old and he knows the cameras are running.  Enough defending it. It was embarrassing and thousands agree.

     



    WdaFizzle are you talking about, "the act is old?"  This is his first season with this group of rookie receivers.  The only act that is old your tired "Brady is to blame" for everything.  What next, you tell us the rookies weren't dropping passes or simply couldn't get their heads around in time on crossing routes or to comeback on comeback routes?

     

    Don't let your obvious, blatant and self admitted bias blind you to the truth.  Brady was frustrated with the receivers, all of us fans were frustrated with the receivers, the announcers gave you a play by play of what was happening.  

    The rational among us are not saying the rookies were good but are suggesting we excercise patience, the ridiculous among us watched that game Thursday and blame Brady.  He apologized in the post game for letting his emotions get the better of him, we don't need a latent Brady hater giving his amdmonishment as well.

     
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    I am a HUGE long time Brady fan from the start and will always be. However, I have often said many things, regarding Brady, that people in here freak out over.

    Things like it is a lie that his favorite receiver is the open one , etc. He has his favorites and binkies just like every other QB. Or calling him out when I think he deserves it, etc. Just like last week.

    Today I have to actually give him a pass for being a GIANT baby. NO NOT because he has a few young receivers. .... BUT because the area of New England has given him a "complete" free pass for so long that it has allowed him to become a complete Wahhh Baby instead of the great leader he used to be and can still be.

    When Brady was starting, not a starter yet, we always heard stories of him running the scout team or working with the sub receivers and making them all better and impressing the coaches as a collective backup unit in practices. Then he became "the man", won some superbowls, and legitimatley cemented himself as one of the greatest QB's to ever play the position in NFL history.

    Unfortunatley what followed is almost every fan, AND media person (Mayock was sickening me last night) started giving Brady a complete free pass, for everything. He became Teflon Tom. Nothing was ever his fault. It's the defense,  it's his Oline, it's his receivers, it's his running backs, it's his Offensive coordinator, etc etc.

    When Brady even says things about himself. Out of his own mouth, the fans and media will half the time, astonishingly, say no Tom you are not correct. You are great you did nothing wrong. When he said he sucked after the Ravens game when they backed into the win I was amazed how many on here were like no he played ok or great, the defense just stinks, etc. 

    So I give Brady a pass for being a Baby today because the fans and media created it.

    I could barely understand the reaction and outrage when teapot lit into him on the sideline. Throwing things out like you would be nothing without TB. You would stink as a OC without TB. Who does he think he is to yell at TB. Seriously? While I think he should have done that in the locker room instead of on the sideline, I am sure it was called for.

    I wanted to throw up last night when I actually agreed with Deion Sanders when he at least called Brady out to share in some of the problems the Offense was having. I rarely agree with the likes of him.

    This is why the Patriots have not been able to develop any wide receivers and are barely even capable of  bringing in veterens that get on the same page as TB. You know what the TWO constants are in this equation? Tom Brady and the Offensive system. Had to bring Branch back. He played in the system. Went and got Fells and Hooman. Both played in the system. Had to go get Brandon Llyod. Played in the system. Went and got Amendola. Played in the system. Tried to get Salas. Played in the system. Chad Johnson, didn't play in the system before. Brady would not throw to him. Never saw the field. Julian Edelman never played in the system, did not like playing with him. Edleman was forced to play in 2009 playoffs because of WW injury and did quite well. He mysteriously barely saw the field for the next two entire seasons, even when healthy. Tory Holt, could not make the team, bet he did not click immediatley with TB either. He could not get on the same page as Galloway. Price and Tate, nope. Stallworth? Maybe. In 2007 he did not seemed to lose favor with TB for Gaffney. Moss and WW yep but seems to be far more no's then yes's. Since there are TWO constants they both have to share in some of the problem.

    People freaked last week when I mentioned I did not think his complete game was sharp. I know fans focus ONLY on what they saw last. His great drive to get in FG range. People also inaccurately assumed that my meaning for sharp is only or simply his throwing. It is not, it is mental as well. Pulling out early from center? I am sure eveyone blames the center only. Not seeing or knowing where to get rid of the ball on the early safety blitz? I am sure fans blame it exclusively on the missed blocking assignment? Thowing a ball right into Darius's hands while trying to target Hooman. Luckily not intercepted, but I am sure everyone blamed someone else, probably Hooman, somehow. The three or four balls Brady threw in the dirt trying to target Thompkins. Clearly those must have have all been on Thompkins(face plam).

    ...or last nights game. Things like over throwing a wide open Edleman by like 12 yards on an easy TD? Basically over throwing Thompkins in the endzone when he had his man beat and making him dive for it. Throwing 4 consecutive balls behind Dobson? No not even talking about the one in the redzone where Dobson broke it outside and Tom was either expecting him to sit it down, catch it in stride, or break it inside. Dobson is NOT excused. He could have had two of those catches AND was slow to get his head around on another one as well. The pass leading to the sideline after Edleman had already clearly sat his route down, before TB looked like he had even released the ball? However, Geno Smith who is a rookie AND missed almost all his valueable time before the season with an injury working with his receivers was able to hit his rookie receiver deep down the field in stride. Tom in contrast made Dobson attempt a figertip grab falling forward. NOT blaming Tom, Dobson HAS to make that catch. Just pointing out the difference and that he is NOT the only QB to have to play with rookie WR's. 

    Brady is the face of the franchise, the best player on the team, one of the best players to ever play the QB position. If you can not lean on him and hold him to the expected high standards of all three of those things then exactly who can you lean on? Everyone always wants to say Brady made this guy or made that guy. Fine, if Brady makes guys then get to it and make these young guys better instead of being a Waaahhh baby. Act like the leader you once were.

    So BB please pull Brady in your office and please rip him a new one and remind him of those facts and also remind him that you are sticking with a youth movement and will continue to cram the young receivers down his throat so he should accept it and deal with it. ...and deal with it by talking to them on the sideline and exchanging what they all saw and what and why he wants what he does. Explaining that the mistakes are going to happen and the reps are good, even first time bad ones, but that they need to learn from those reps so the mistakes of the identical situation are not reocurring. Remind him that he should be doing that and not sitting down the oppostite end of the bench away from his young receivers throwing a Tantrum, acting like the baby the fans and media have allowed to be created.

    Your free pass expires at next kickoff. Take a quick look in the mirror, now go lead!




    as*inine on so many levels...and as long as War and Peace to boot

     
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    I am a HUGE long time Brady fan from the start and will always be. However, I have often said many things, regarding Brady, that people in here freak out over.

    Things like it is a lie that his favorite receiver is the open one , etc. He has his favorites and binkies just like every other QB. Or calling him out when I think he deserves it, etc. Just like last week.

    Today I have to actually give him a pass for being a GIANT baby. NO NOT because he has a few young receivers. .... BUT because the area of New England has given him a "complete" free pass for so long that it has allowed him to become a complete Wahhh Baby instead of the great leader he used to be and can still be.

    When Brady was starting, not a starter yet, we always heard stories of him running the scout team or working with the sub receivers and making them all better and impressing the coaches as a collective backup unit in practices. Then he became "the man", won some superbowls, and legitimatley cemented himself as one of the greatest QB's to ever play the position in NFL history.

    Unfortunatley what followed is almost every fan, AND media person (Mayock was sickening me last night) started giving Brady a complete free pass, for everything. He became Teflon Tom. Nothing was ever his fault. It's the defense,  it's his Oline, it's his receivers, it's his running backs, it's his Offensive coordinator, etc etc.

    When Brady even says things about himself. Out of his own mouth, the fans and media will half the time, astonishingly, say no Tom you are not correct. You are great you did nothing wrong. When he said he sucked after the Ravens game when they backed into the win I was amazed how many on here were like no he played ok or great, the defense just stinks, etc. 

    So I give Brady a pass for being a Baby today because the fans and media created it.

    I could barely understand the reaction and outrage when teapot lit into him on the sideline. Throwing things out like you would be nothing without TB. You would stink as a OC without TB. Who does he think he is to yell at TB. Seriously? While I think he should have done that in the locker room instead of on the sideline, I am sure it was called for.

    I wanted to throw up last night when I actually agreed with Deion Sanders when he at least called Brady out to share in some of the problems the Offense was having. I rarely agree with the likes of him.

    This is why the Patriots have not been able to develop any wide receivers and are barely even capable of  bringing in veterens that get on the same page as TB. You know what the TWO constants are in this equation? Tom Brady and the Offensive system. Had to bring Branch back. He played in the system. Went and got Fells and Hooman. Both played in the system. Had to go get Brandon Llyod. Played in the system. Went and got Amendola. Played in the system. Tried to get Salas. Played in the system. Chad Johnson, didn't play in the system before. Brady would not throw to him. Never saw the field. Julian Edelman never played in the system, did not like playing with him. Edleman was forced to play in 2009 playoffs because of WW injury and did quite well. He mysteriously barely saw the field for the next two entire seasons, even when healthy. Tory Holt, could not make the team, bet he did not click immediatley with TB either. He could not get on the same page as Galloway. Price and Tate, nope. Stallworth? Maybe. In 2007 he did not seemed to lose favor with TB for Gaffney. Moss and WW yep but seems to be far more no's then yes's. Since there are TWO constants they both have to share in some of the problem.

    People freaked last week when I mentioned I did not think his complete game was sharp. I know fans focus ONLY on what they saw last. His great drive to get in FG range. People also inaccurately assumed that my meaning for sharp is only or simply his throwing. It is not, it is mental as well. Pulling out early from center? I am sure eveyone blames the center only. Not seeing or knowing where to get rid of the ball on the early safety blitz? I am sure fans blame it exclusively on the missed blocking assignment? Thowing a ball right into Darius's hands while trying to target Hooman. Luckily not intercepted, but I am sure everyone blamed someone else, probably Hooman, somehow. The three or four balls Brady threw in the dirt trying to target Thompkins. Clearly those must have have all been on Thompkins(face plam).

    ...or last nights game. Things like over throwing a wide open Edleman by like 12 yards on an easy TD? Basically over throwing Thompkins in the endzone when he had his man beat and making him dive for it. Throwing 4 consecutive balls behind Dobson? No not even talking about the one in the redzone where Dobson broke it outside and Tom was either expecting him to sit it down, catch it in stride, or break it inside. Dobson is NOT excused. He could have had two of those catches AND was slow to get his head around on another one as well. The pass leading to the sideline after Edleman had already clearly sat his route down, before TB looked like he had even released the ball? However, Geno Smith who is a rookie AND missed almost all his valueable time before the season with an injury working with his receivers was able to hit his rookie receiver deep down the field in stride. Tom in contrast made Dobson attempt a figertip grab falling forward. NOT blaming Tom, Dobson HAS to make that catch. Just pointing out the difference and that he is NOT the only QB to have to play with rookie WR's. 

    Brady is the face of the franchise, the best player on the team, one of the best players to ever play the QB position. If you can not lean on him and hold him to the expected high standards of all three of those things then exactly who can you lean on? Everyone always wants to say Brady made this guy or made that guy. Fine, if Brady makes guys then get to it and make these young guys better instead of being a Waaahhh baby. Act like the leader you once were.

    So BB please pull Brady in your office and please rip him a new one and remind him of those facts and also remind him that you are sticking with a youth movement and will continue to cram the young receivers down his throat so he should accept it and deal with it. ...and deal with it by talking to them on the sideline and exchanging what they all saw and what and why he wants what he does. Explaining that the mistakes are going to happen and the reps are good, even first time bad ones, but that they need to learn from those reps so the mistakes of the identical situation are not reocurring. Remind him that he should be doing that and not sitting down the oppostite end of the bench away from his young receivers throwing a Tantrum, acting like the baby the fans and media have allowed to be created.

    Your free pass expires at next kickoff. Take a quick look in the mirror, now go lead!

     




    as*inine on so many levels...and as long as War and Peace to boot

     

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    I am a HUGE long time Brady fan from the start and will always be. However, I have often said many things, regarding Brady, that people in here freak out over.

    Things like it is a lie that his favorite receiver is the open one , etc. He has his favorites and binkies just like every other QB. Or calling him out when I think he deserves it, etc. Just like last week.

    Today I have to actually give him a pass for being a GIANT baby. NO NOT because he has a few young receivers. .... BUT because the area of New England has given him a "complete" free pass for so long that it has allowed him to become a complete Wahhh Baby instead of the great leader he used to be and can still be.

    When Brady was starting, not a starter yet, we always heard stories of him running the scout team or working with the sub receivers and making them all better and impressing the coaches as a collective backup unit in practices. Then he became "the man", won some superbowls, and legitimatley cemented himself as one of the greatest QB's to ever play the position in NFL history.

    Unfortunatley what followed is almost every fan, AND media person (Mayock was sickening me last night) started giving Brady a complete free pass, for everything. He became Teflon Tom. Nothing was ever his fault. It's the defense,  it's his Oline, it's his receivers, it's his running backs, it's his Offensive coordinator, etc etc.

    When Brady even says things about himself. Out of his own mouth, the fans and media will half the time, astonishingly, say no Tom you are not correct. You are great you did nothing wrong. When he said he sucked after the Ravens game when they backed into the win I was amazed how many on here were like no he played ok or great, the defense just stinks, etc. 

    So I give Brady a pass for being a Baby today because the fans and media created it.

    I could barely understand the reaction and outrage when teapot lit into him on the sideline. Throwing things out like you would be nothing without TB. You would stink as a OC without TB. Who does he think he is to yell at TB. Seriously? While I think he should have done that in the locker room instead of on the sideline, I am sure it was called for.

    I wanted to throw up last night when I actually agreed with Deion Sanders when he at least called Brady out to share in some of the problems the Offense was having. I rarely agree with the likes of him.

    This is why the Patriots have not been able to develop any wide receivers and are barely even capable of  bringing in veterens that get on the same page as TB. You know what the TWO constants are in this equation? Tom Brady and the Offensive system. Had to bring Branch back. He played in the system. Went and got Fells and Hooman. Both played in the system. Had to go get Brandon Llyod. Played in the system. Went and got Amendola. Played in the system. Tried to get Salas. Played in the system. Chad Johnson, didn't play in the system before. Brady would not throw to him. Never saw the field. Julian Edelman never played in the system, did not like playing with him. Edleman was forced to play in 2009 playoffs because of WW injury and did quite well. He mysteriously barely saw the field for the next two entire seasons, even when healthy. Tory Holt, could not make the team, bet he did not click immediatley with TB either. He could not get on the same page as Galloway. Price and Tate, nope. Stallworth? Maybe. In 2007 he did not seemed to lose favor with TB for Gaffney. Moss and WW yep but seems to be far more no's then yes's. Since there are TWO constants they both have to share in some of the problem.

    People freaked last week when I mentioned I did not think his complete game was sharp. I know fans focus ONLY on what they saw last. His great drive to get in FG range. People also inaccurately assumed that my meaning for sharp is only or simply his throwing. It is not, it is mental as well. Pulling out early from center? I am sure eveyone blames the center only. Not seeing or knowing where to get rid of the ball on the early safety blitz? I am sure fans blame it exclusively on the missed blocking assignment? Thowing a ball right into Darius's hands while trying to target Hooman. Luckily not intercepted, but I am sure everyone blamed someone else, probably Hooman, somehow. The three or four balls Brady threw in the dirt trying to target Thompkins. Clearly those must have have all been on Thompkins(face plam).

    ...or last nights game. Things like over throwing a wide open Edleman by like 12 yards on an easy TD? Basically over throwing Thompkins in the endzone when he had his man beat and making him dive for it. Throwing 4 consecutive balls behind Dobson? No not even talking about the one in the redzone where Dobson broke it outside and Tom was either expecting him to sit it down, catch it in stride, or break it inside. Dobson is NOT excused. He could have had two of those catches AND was slow to get his head around on another one as well. The pass leading to the sideline after Edleman had already clearly sat his route down, before TB looked like he had even released the ball? However, Geno Smith who is a rookie AND missed almost all his valueable time before the season with an injury working with his receivers was able to hit his rookie receiver deep down the field in stride. Tom in contrast made Dobson attempt a figertip grab falling forward. NOT blaming Tom, Dobson HAS to make that catch. Just pointing out the difference and that he is NOT the only QB to have to play with rookie WR's. 

    Brady is the face of the franchise, the best player on the team, one of the best players to ever play the QB position. If you can not lean on him and hold him to the expected high standards of all three of those things then exactly who can you lean on? Everyone always wants to say Brady made this guy or made that guy. Fine, if Brady makes guys then get to it and make these young guys better instead of being a Waaahhh baby. Act like the leader you once were.

    So BB please pull Brady in your office and please rip him a new one and remind him of those facts and also remind him that you are sticking with a youth movement and will continue to cram the young receivers down his throat so he should accept it and deal with it. ...and deal with it by talking to them on the sideline and exchanging what they all saw and what and why he wants what he does. Explaining that the mistakes are going to happen and the reps are good, even first time bad ones, but that they need to learn from those reps so the mistakes of the identical situation are not reocurring. Remind him that he should be doing that and not sitting down the oppostite end of the bench away from his young receivers throwing a Tantrum, acting like the baby the fans and media have allowed to be created.

    Your free pass expires at next kickoff. Take a quick look in the mirror, now go lead!

     

     




    as*inine on so many levels...and as long as War and Peace to boot

     

     




     




    not bad! not bad at all!

    but shouldn't he be holding a few lombardi's?

    Yell

     
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    Re: ONLY reason I forgive Brady

    "You suck."

    "I called you an idiot first."

    "Your momma wears combat boots."

     

    This is hlillarious how it always degrades to middle school name calling. LOL

    You kids are gonna lose your Iphone privileges.

     
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    Re: ONLY reason I forgive Brady

    In response to pats-fan-2007's comment:

    "You suck."

    "I called you an idiot first."

    "Your momma wears combat boots." 

    This is hlillarious how it always degrades to middle school name calling. LOL

    You kids are gonna lose your Iphone privileges.



    Regrettably, all too many threads head south because of precisely this reason. Why it always seems to get personal simply escapes me.

     
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    Regrettably, all too many threads head south because of precisely this reason. Why it always seems to get personal simply escapes me.



    You'll find that the vast majority of the times this happens, it involves one specific person.  It's his Jets-trolling actions that are the fuel.  The more I think about it, the more I think he's 13 years old.  There is no way an adult acts like that.

     
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