In Response to Re: OT? WTGF?!!!
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: OT? WTGF?!!! : Ah akius, sorry to break it to...But the people complaining about this trade don't go to the trouble to research enough to make their own mocks...(team fit & actual need based on available talent at a given spot...? Laughable) No, They go to ESPN.com, see who's in the Top 50 1 week before draft day... Higher=This is better. Planning for subsequent years, Making good trades wherein you can STILL get your prospective draft target prospect, AND come away setting yourself up with extra picks...? Uh-uh...Espn.com=Top 50...Higher is better. Shhh akius, should you tell them or should I tell The Immediate Satisfaction & Self-serving Pleasure groupees, exactly WHY their significant other goes to bed crying every night? You tell'em...I just don't have the patience...
Posted by LazarusintheSanatorium[/QUOTE]
Seriously? I expect better from you. I completely defer to you as far as the draft (or college football in general) is concerned. But let's be real here. Bill Belichick's trade down philosophy has delivered this team to mediocrity. Years of weak drafting has turned this team into a deeply flawed team that cannot win playoff games. Last time I checked, that was the whole point of playing. I don't care that they went 14-2 last year. Or won 11 games with Brady injured. Etc, etc. They haven't won anything in 7 years and counting.
And no I didn't do a mock draft. No disrespect to anybody that did. But I simply don't have the time or interest. And the idea that all this wheeling and dealing is some sort of display of genius is reassuring when Bill throws away picks. And it's fun for some people who get to talk down to people for disagreeing with thier opinion. But it's just not fact. I did do some research after reading your post. My opinon seems like commomn sense- you have a much better chance of getting an impact player in the first round or early second. But I wanted to see the numbers. You know, just in case. I checked last year's AFC Pro Bowl roster.
Here is what I found:
Offense- 21 players total
11 first rounders
5 second rounders
1 third rounder and 2 fouth rounders
rounding out the offense were 2 UDFA- which is basically needle in a haystack type luck
Defense 18 players total
12 first rounders
2 second rounders
1 fourth rounder and 1 sixth rounder
And one UDFA
The numbers support my obvious opinion that you have a much better chance of getting a good player in the first 2 rounds than in later rounds. So, yes, higher does equal better- generally speaking.
Most of the Pro Bowlers were first round picks. On offense around 80% of players were picked in the first two round. On defense (the Pats biggest need) the numbers rose to around 90% And one of the "4th rounders" was a FB. A lot of teams don't even use a FB.
After I got done with that, I looked at the Pats' drats since 2005. The year after they last won anything
First and second round:
Welker- Not technically a pick. But they traded a second for him
Mayo- Really good player.
Merriweather- 2 All Pro selections.
Maroney- will probably be out of the league soon. But at least they took a shot with this pick.
Mankins- Good player while he was here. Will probably end up trading him for a pick that they will throw away.
Gronkowski- Looks like the real deal.
Spikes- Draft deay steal.
Chung- Underrated. Solid player
Volmer- First round talent in the second round. Great pick.
Then you have Brace, Butler, Wheatley and Chad Jackson. Not exactly world beaters.
Price- The jury is still out.
Brandon Tate- Not a good route runner and terrible hands. Hard to imagine him ever developing into anything better than a serviceable number 3 WR
Dave Thomas- Gone
Shaun Crable- Good player for a third round pick. But not exactly seting the league on fire.
Rounding out this round are Ellis (I may have cost the Pats the 07 Superbowl)Hobbs and Tyrone McKenzi
Now here's where it gets depresing. Since 2005 the Pats have drafted 35 players in rounds 4-7. I found six that any normal Pats fan could name:
Aarron Hernandez- Great find
Matthew Slater and Julian Edleman- Nice players. But I don't think either will ever be collecting a Pro Bowl bonus
Matt Cassell- Gone. Traded for Patrick Chung. Solid player but not really a playmaker. Still, a decent trade if you ignore the fact that we threw in our best pash rusher for no reason. A position we were already weak at.
The final two are kickers so the 4th and fifth rounds seem abouth right for Gostowski and Mesko.
Out of 35 players in rounds 4-7 we drafted five players (not counting Moss) that contributed at all. And two are kickers. But I'm assuming that's about league average. Which proves my point. Most of the good players are gone by midway through round two.
This team needs a couple of playmakers (at least) if they are going to rise out of mediocrity. We have enough solid players. Don't get me wrong, you need solid players to win. But right now we need some playmakers. And you aren't going to get them by sniffing around the later rounds. You aren't going to get them by constantly trading down and rolling over picks. And God knows Bill isn't going to go sign them in the free agent market.
You can support the stockpiling approach. And that's cool. That's your OPINION. There is no need to insinuate that people are stupid simply for disagreeing with you. This isn't about instant gratification. Not at all. All I'm asking is that we take a shot at filling our needs and going after a championship. The only thing this draft approach is doing is providing insurance so that in the future we probably wont have to suffer through one of those 2-14 seasons.
You can say whatever you want, but the results speak for themselves. This team hasn't won in seven years. And unless there are some major upgrades (which aren't likely to be found in round 2 or free agency) I don't see how 2011 will be any different. This pass rush situation is no different than the WR situation that cost us a Superbowl in 2006.
This team is stuck in mediocrity. And most of you don't seem to mind. I don't get how anybody can support Bill's allergies to first/second round talent. If you, or anybody else, would care to educate me, I'd be more than happy to listen. Because I just don't get it.
What do want to bet he thows number 33 away today?