Our Defense is Close

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    I about choked when I saw this thread title.  I wish the Pats D was close but the Pats defense can't even be mentioned with the Seahawks defense.  That Seahawks D was mighty tonight.  Damn, we can only dream of a defense like that Seahawks D.  The titles this team could have with a Defense even close to what we witnessed tonight.  Belichick has some work to do.

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    That's the reason why I dropped in.  Had to see who the heavy drinker was.

    The work is called losing football.  You get high draft picks that way.  They do have some nice later round picks like Sherman but the team littered with high picks.  BB can turn it around too if the Pats would have losing seasons like Seattle has had.  

     
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    get Mayo, VW, Kelly healthy.

    sign a real strong safety. someone good. (whitner, pollard)

    get Talib back.

    get some damn DE/DT depth through FA  and draft

    and i think we could be great like Seattle.

    glimpses were shown the first few weeks until the injuries came on.

    need one or two more playmakers and health

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    we need two good defensive tackles one more top flight corner and a pro bowl safety to be where seattle is on defense. vince needs to be replaced soon. great player but getting old.

     
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    Is there one player on the Pats defense who could start for Seattle?  For San Francisco?

     

     
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    We need another pass rusher along with a SS, assuming everyone comes back healthy.

     

    Mayo, Hightower and Collins are, arguably, the best LB corps in the NFL. A beast of a SS like we had in Harrison to control the heart of the defense, another pass rusher and Wilfork (@ 75% of what he was will do)and Kelly returning makes the Pats an elite defense.

     

    We were top 5 before we lost all these guys.

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    C'mon, Willis, Bowman, Smith and Brooks are lightyears ahead of the Pats linebackers. Lightyears.

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    Well, the Pats have three inside LBs, I don't consider Smith and Brooks in that equation. Willis and Bowman are beasts, but you should see how much ground Collins and Mayo will cover flying sideline to sideline. Mayo tackles everything and is the guy who makes everyone aware of their responsibilities so that they can react quickly. Collins can cover, tackle, blitz and even put his hands on the floor, he'll be a gem for BB to plan for.

     

    Hightower is Spikes, but bigger, faster, quicker and more disciplined.

     
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    We are building a D (hopefully fast enough before TB is done). But this D needs at least 2 and more likely three more real solid players:

    1. DT/NT stud... besides Vinny and above and beyond Kelly

    2. DE upgrade... Nink is good but need to have Nink in rotation at DE and OLB

    3. SS who is a playmaker and enforcer

    A 4th player MIGHT be another solid, physical CB but with Talib and if the rookie shows he is for real as a SOLID CB we could be fine with a more aggressive front 7 and more intimidating pass rush...

     

     
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    get Mayo, VW, Kelly healthy.

    sign a real strong safety. someone good. (whitner, pollard)

    get Talib back.

    get some damn DE/DT depth through FA  and draft

    and i think we could be great like Seattle.

    glimpses were shown the first few weeks until the injuries came on.

    need one or two more playmakers and health

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    Very close, especially if healthy and maybe a key FA add than can help on the DL or at Safety.

    It was the best D in the AFC early and if Gronk was available for this, oh my.

    Yep.  Warnings have been out. Pats the youngest team in the AFC and Seattle is in trouble with some bad contracts and free agents. Pats are right there, but the concern is Brady.

     

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    we need to find someone other than mallet to replace brady. a qb that can at least use his legs once in a while to escape pressure. any time a team blitzes brady on third down hes going to get sacked and lose big yards. hes been a great qb but his best days are long behind him. the only way the patriots win while hes still playing is to build the number one defense and commit to running the ball. i can see the defense getting better but not the commitment to run.

     
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    Is there one player on the Pats defense who could start for Seattle?  For San Francisco?

     

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    Wilfork, Mayo, McCourty at FS can challenge Thomas and Talib can start for Seattle.

     

    Wilfork, Mayo, McCouty, Dennard, Talib can start for San Fran.

     
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    Patrick Willis

    Aldon Smith

    Von Miller

    Demarcus Ware

    Clay Matthew

    Tamba Hali

     

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    willis is the only mlb there. 

     
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    We are building a D (hopefully fast enough before TB is done). But this D needs at least 2 and more likely three more real solid players:

    1. DT/NT stud... besides Vinny and above and beyond Kelly

    2. DE upgrade... Nink is good but need to have Nink in rotation at DE and OLB

    3. SS who is a playmaker and enforcer

    A 4th player MIGHT be another solid, physical CB but with Talib and if the rookie shows he is for real as a SOLID CB we could be fine with a more aggressive front 7 and more intimidating pass rush...

     

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    Nink is not good.  Good is what Seattle's DE is. Consistently drove his opponent backwards, collapsing the pocket, pressuring Manning.  I know, a novel concept, a DE who can rush the passer. 

     

     
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    I agree with whoever says that we need this defense to improve to win a Super Bowl- its not brady's ego or running the ball or any of that

     
  11. You have chosen to ignore posts from kjfitone. Show kjfitone's posts

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    Sorry Joe but we are quite a bit away. At DT asking Wilork and Kelly to come back is a lot. A 1st round pick at DT is needed as well as an extra depth vet like a Raji just incase. They need another pass rushing specialist. Nink is great as an every down player but when you really need to apply pressure they need someone who can generate pressure most times he's on the field. Signing Talib alone won't do anything. He's to often injured and gets hurt to easily in big games. If they bring him back they need another quality backup, almost worth just get a more durable player just to make sure they will last a season instead of Talibe. They need more depth at LB if they are going to let Spikes walk, and finally they need a SS. That's 6 players right there with 4-5 playing significant time. That's a lot of players to find. Not sure I'd call that close. But, I will say they aren't starting from zero and have piece to work off of.. But we are a couple good drafts and some FA's away from coming close to what Sea has on D

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    i agree. they are one of the better teams and need a couple of elite players to make it back. a stud defensive tackle would be a nice place to start. keep the picks and forget about adding fourth round picks three years from now. keep the picks and dont use second round choices on players who are not  on anty teams draft boards... like tavon wilson.. ouch

     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from 49Patriots. Show 49Patriots's posts

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    Everyone forgets that the Pats were top 5 in yards allowed, top 10 in passing yards, Top 5 rushing yards and top 5 in scoring before we lost Wilfork, Kelly, Mayo AND Talib for a stretch.

     

    All of them together and healthy a full season, replacing the weak links (Gregory, Arrington) and I think the Pats will be just alright.  

     
  13. You have chosen to ignore posts from pezz4pats. Show pezz4pats's posts

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    Yes, there is.  He and his ilk are not only dumb, they are trolls.

    The sheer joy in this is that Gomie thought he did something different than the 2007 Brady.

    He didn't.

    If Brady does not wake up from this, we have no chance.

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    still blaming brady yet the O-line SUCKKED in SB42 and to a lesser extent in SB46.

    oh TB didnt put up 30 what a bad guy so crappy even though he was under diress all night.

    fact is the offense, including TB, left the field in both SBs with a LEAD and defense could not get the job done.

    two sundays ago, couldnt stop a nosebleed if they tried with their life.

    defense needs major improvement too, as stated up above

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    Joe,

    You are a smart guy.  Might try to appease the freak too much but smart none the less.

    So, do me a favor and figure this out for me.

    How many Points would Wilson have scored

    without the safety

    without the 2 pics and fumble recovery

    without the KR

    and with 3 less possessions.

    In other words with no defensive and ST help, at all.

    Then tell me what the total score would have been for both teams.

    Then look at last years SB where Flacco benefited from virtually the same thing, cept that game had 13 possessions, so take away 5 to get to 8.

    I can tell you, I already did it for last year and Flacco would have only scored 14pts and he would have lost.

    You wanna look at the SB's the Pats won, without all that, too?

    A good D can make an offense and a BAD one will break their offense, every time.

    D's win championships by keeping the score down and helping ( not screwing) their own O and the Pats D, is NOT CLOSE!  Not by a long shot!

     
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    Everyone forgets that the Pats were top 5 in yards allowed, top 10 in passing yards, 5 yards rushing yards and top 5 in scoring before we lost Wilfork, Kelly, Mayo AND Talib for a stretch.

     

    All of them together and healthy a full season, replacing the weak links (Gregory, Arrington) and I think the Pats will be just alright.  

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    the patriots are going to be set at linebacker for a while. hightower is better than spikes and collins could be great. mayo is solid. 

     
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    If Brady played with that defense he'd have won the SB too. STFV already rusty.

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    Close to being good. OK. 

    Close to being Seattle?

    Get some meds.

    New England is four or five players away: a couple of them being impact starters, and a few being high quality replacements so their DEs aren't out on the field for 99% of the snaps.

    Seattle basically did nothing on offense for an entire half and left the field with a 22-0 lead. 16 points scored by the defense against the highest scoring offense in NFL history. 

    New England isn't close to that. 

     
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    Close to being good. OK. 

    Close to being Seattle?

    Get some meds.

    New England is four or five players away: a couple of them being impact starters, and a few being high quality replacements so their DEs aren't out on the field for 99% of the snaps.

    Seattle basically did nothing on offense for an entire half and left the field with a 22-0 lead. 16 points scored by the defense against the highest scoring offense in NFL history. 

    New England isn't close to that. 




    yeah get some meds... for the defense- because that's what seattle does

     
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    Close to being good. OK. 

    Close to being Seattle?

    Get some meds.

    New England is four or five players away: a couple of them being impact starters, and a few being high quality replacements so their DEs aren't out on the field for 99% of the snaps.

    Seattle basically did nothing on offense for an entire half and left the field with a 22-0 lead. 16 points scored by the defense against the highest scoring offense in NFL history. 

    New England isn't close to that. 

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    Not only that but the Seahawks Offense settled for 2 fg's in the first qtr when they should have had 2 td's.  This game could have been 51-8!

     
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    Your delusional. Mayo adds nothing But tackle assists 5 yards down field.  We need a stud DT and a real pass rusher to compliment Jones And all new DB's. 

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    MAyo is a top 5 LB in the league.

    we need a stud DT, depth at DE and a strong safety that can hit someone and make a play, resign Talib and get another tall CB to move Dennard to the slot so Arrington never sees the field again

    this was part sarcasm becuase i said we were close yet made a semi-long list.

    there are many things needed to become great but they COULD happen

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    Mayo is top 10 in the league, not flashy, but definitely a borderline pro-bowler who is an elite defender. If we are talking matching up with Seattles D then he is better than MVP Malcolm Smith.

    If Collins and Hightower grow off of what we saw at the end of the season they can be as good as Wagner and Irvin. Fletcher is solid depth. It would be great to use our 2nd rd pick on another fast athletic LB, one who can play inside and let Hightower/Collins pass rush (Shayne Skov/Christian Jones/Yawin Smallwood) or a DE/OLB type to rush from the edge (Van Noy/Jeremiah Attaochu/Dee Ford) and let Collins and Mayo terrorize from the interior.

    Pats need to keep Talib at a discount and have him healthy all year. He is not Sherman, but a top 10 CB if healthy who Sherman complimented as being up there with him. I do not know who plays slot better Dennard/Ryan. Dennard hits harder. Ryan seems to ballhawk more. Neither has a great 40 time (like 4.5) but both obviously can play and will get better. Arrington can stay as a 4th CB but needs to help the team and restructure.

    ONE FA starter on defense can be afforded after Wilfork reworks his deal. If it is a veteran safety (Whitner/Pollard) then the team needs a stud DT in rd 1 or 2 of the draft. If it is a DT (Linval Joseph/Clinton McDonald) then the team needs to use a rd 1 or 2 pick on a SS. Trading up with a future first into the teens to take Clinton-Dix would be awesome, he is the next Cam Chancellor/Polomalu/Goldson type hard hitter with ballhawk skills and CB speed. Kelly/Wilfork also have to be healthy. Gregory (restructure) Harmon (growth) and Ebner (ST's) provide good safety depth. Same with the young DT's from this year.

    If the Pats do all that and stay healthy they will be an elite Super Bowl worthy defense. If they have a healthy Gronk, add depth at TE in rd 3, trade their rd 4 pick and a future conditional pick (rd 3-5 depending on performance) for Roddy White, keep Blount/Hooman and Edelman while replacing Wendell with Alex Mack (after getting Hernandez 7.5m back) then they will be SCARY good.

     
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    What we really need is John Schneider for our GM. That guy knows how to draft. It's incredible the kind of talent he accrued for Seattle over the past 2-3 years.

     
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    Clinton-Dix

    McCourty

    Talib

    Dennard

    Ryan

    Hightower

    Mayo

    Skov

    Collins

    Jones

    Wilfork

    Joseph

    Kelly

    Nink

    .... That would make me SUPER happy

     
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    OK I'm not delusional,the Patriots are a good defense, but I to have problems with the Bend don't break approach. They need a second dominating DB and a NT/DT that can collapse the pocket on a regular basis. I would love to see them become an attacking defense, blitz more than twice a game! I'm sure they are running the same defense that BB installed 4 years ago.

    As for the offense they need that TE position solidified. Hooman gave it his best and Mulligan can block but isn't much of a threat as a receiver. Dobson better turn into the next Randy Moss next season or he will be dubbed a bust, they still need another big WR. Also though I like Wendell as a depth piece for the O-line, but they need a solid Center or another guard with the ability to hold the point of control, when Pot Roast went blowing by Wendell on a middle blitz I knew it was time for an up grade.

    Blount is better than I thought he would be, but again they didn't run the ball in the AFCCG! So if Blount decides to leave they will be back to Hey diddly,diddly I dropped the ball Ridley. No offence meant but ball security is important. There are some interesting draft possibilities: Hyde, Williams, West, Hill,Carey or even Mason. all these guys have unique skills.

     
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    WOW, I saw it...but it was still hard to believe it, Seattle is one heck of a football team.

    Only a consument and heavy kool aid drinker would say the Pats D is close to Seattle....they are light years apart.

    Seattle wins the game with or without Harvin so we'll see next season how much he plays for his 11 million.

     
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    I'm not saying they are close to Seattle, but consider this. No Wilfork, no Mayo, no Kelly, Talib out for some time, loosing Spikes, No Wilson (we'll never know the impact he could have had this year), and still they were Top 10 in points allowed.

    The needs on defense are hard to project because we don't know if the injured players will return to health and pre-injury level, but there is a lot to like. If a defense with no-names Jones and Vellano at DT can end op Top 10, something must be right.

    As of now signing Talib is their best bet for a top CB, they need rotational depth at DE, and depending on the progress of Wilfork, Kelly and darkhorse Armstead they need more at DT. I don't think Gregory is awful, but if the aforementioned linemen are progressing well SS could be a target in the draft. I think they have one of the best LB corps in the leauge even without Spikes, I don't see them focusing on that. This could be a Top 5 defense next year if it all pans out.

    The negative view could be this. Talib wants money and is out. Wilfork and Kelly return at a significant lower level than expected, Armstead turns out to be a bust, and Dennard and Logan Ryan are your outside starting CB's. In that case they end up a mediocre defense.

     
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    Couple of points:

    Kudos to Seattle D - best I've seen in recent years.  Yep, I'll say it - elite.

    Kudos to Pete Carroll for the coaching job - just superb.

    Kudos to John Schneider - excellent team building - truly excellent.

    Let's see how they do over the next several years.  I like their chances.

     

    I would remind everyone in this forum how the Pats did in their first 5 games.  The O couldn't score on the little sisters of the poor and the D held opponents to avg of 14 points per game.  Then they got hit by injuries.

    Is the Pats D close to becoming Seattle's?  I don't really think so but the D is close to becoming quite a good NE D.  They are young - very young and the potential is there.

    I love how some in this forum love to chase the shiny baubles. 

     
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