Our Defense is Close

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    I am sick to death of all these self appointed GM/Experts who never played the game and haven't been Pats fans during the BAD days when we were the absolute laughingstock of pro-football....when we were ALMOST as bad as the NY Jets...can't believe what gets posted here by some "fans"....you wouldn't know pro football if you were beaten in an Oklahoma Drill...fools and morons...stop posting if all you do is cry and whine about not winning.."winning", HA!..sound like Charley Sheen, and he was high on 1000 pounds of coke when he was saying it...good lord!

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    Then leave dead head troll.

     
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    Dt 1st rd wilfork


    Dt very solid pro kelly

    Dt solid fa siliga

    Dt potential starter armstead

    De 1st rd stud chandler jones

    De best run defending de in football rob ninkovich, still gets 8 sacks a year and leads the team in qb pressures

    Lb 1st rd hightower

    Lb 1st rd captain mayo

    Lb 2nd rd collins

    Cb 1st rd talib

    Cb 7th rd solid dennard(2nd rd grade)

    Cb 3rd rd logan ryan solid promising

    Cb top rated nickel back arrington

    FS 1st rd safety dmc, highest rated safety in nfl by pro footbal focus, only patriot to make their pro bowl team, lead league in pass deflections for safety

    SS  gregory, had a better year then is given credit for, but not a traditional ss, so we signed one of the best SS's of the last decade but he tore his achilles.

    3rd round pick durom harmon, looked good in  a back up role.

    This D needs to invest in the DT position and probably walk away from kelly coming off acl surgery. Siliga can be the early down run stuffer next to vw.. Sign Talib, or another vet cb, find an in the box intimidating strong safety they have missed since rodney( put him in rotation with gregory as a situational player). There are no glaring needs for this defense.

    F o r those that feel the need to compare us to seattle realize seattle is the best defense this league has seen since probably the 2000 ravens. Building a defense like seattles isnt easy.

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    Give pete carrol props along with Schneider,  but in doing so, don't bad mouth the man who brought his team to 8 afc championships in the last 13 years. Only trolls need to bad mouth one while praising the other. See comments by murtl, babe, and that weird pezz guy.

     
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    Couple of points:

    Kudos to Seattle D - best I've seen in recent years.  Yep, I'll say it - elite.

    Kudos to Pete Carroll for the coaching job - just superb.

    Kudos to John Schneider - excellent team building - truly excellent.

    Let's see how they do over the next several years.  I like their chances.

     

    I would remind everyone in this forum how the Pats did in their first 5 games.  The O couldn't score on the little sisters of the poor and the D held opponents to avg of 14 points per game.  Then they got hit by injuries.

    Is the Pats D close to becoming Seattle's?  I don't really think so but the D is close to becoming quite a good NE D.  They are young - very young and the potential is there.

    I love how some in this forum love to chase the shiny baubles. 

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    They also played 3 of the worst QB's in the NFL in their first three games. They very very rarely play like that against the elite in the playoffs. Even with Wilfork and Mayo. Just saying...

     
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    get Mayo, VW, Kelly healthy.

    sign a real strong safety. someone good. (whitner, pollard)

    get Talib back.

    get some damn DE/DT depth through FA  and draft

    and i think we could be great like Seattle.

    glimpses were shown the first few weeks until the injuries came on.

    need one or two more playmakers and health




    no it's not.

    we saw what a defense needs to be last night, and we have about 2 pieces of that puzzle.

    don't sign Talib, he doesn't pass the kam Chancellor test

    trade Wilfork. we need youth on the front line

    get another DE, get some big CBs and safities

     

    Pete carrol built a defense with late rounders, we picked a bunch of early rounders that are a bust. mayo included

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    Says the guy who said pete Carrol built our dynasty defense. Sorry if you can't be taken seriously after that joke of a post.

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    never said he built the dynasty. he inherited the pieces from parcells, BB inhreited it from Carroll

     
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    Dt 1st rd wilfork


    Dt very solid pro kelly

    Dt solid fa siliga

    Dt potential starter armstead

    De 1st rd stud chandler jones

    De best run defending de in football rob ninkovich, still gets 8 sacks a year and leads the team in qb pressures

    Lb 1st rd hightower

    Lb 1st rd captain mayo

    Lb 2nd rd collins

    Cb 1st rd talib

    Cb 7th rd solid dennard(2nd rd grade)

    Cb 3rd rd logan ryan solid promising

    Cb top rated nickel back arrington

    FS 1st rd safety dmc, highest rated safety in nfl by pro footbal focus, only patriot to make their pro bowl team, lead league in pass deflections for safety

    SS  gregory, had a better year then is given credit for, but not a traditional ss, so we signed one of the best SS's of the last decade but he tore his achilles.

    3rd round pick durom harmon, looked good in  a back up role.

    This D needs to invest in the DT position and probably walk away from kelly coming off acl surgery. Siliga can be the early down run stuffer next to vw.. Sign Talib, or another vet cb, find an in the box intimidating strong safety they have missed since rodney( put him in rotation with gregory as a situational player). There are no glaring needs for this defense.

    F o r those that feel the need to compare us to seattle realize seattle is the best defense this league has seen since probably the 2000 ravens. Building a defense like seattles isnt easy.

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    Give pete carrol props along with Schneider,  but in doing so, don't bad mouth the man who brought his team to 8 afc championships in the last 13 years. Only trolls need to bad mouth one while praising the other. See comments by murtl, babe, and that weird pezz guy.

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    pezz, murtl and babe aren't trolls, they are spot on about their obseravtions, don't act like becasue we don't agree you and your troll mate rusty we aren't worthy-you guys like to come across as know it alls

     
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    pezz, murtl and babe aren't trolls, they are spot on about their obseravtions, don't act like becasue we don't agree you and your troll mate rusty we aren't worthy-you guys like to come across as know it alls

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    He actually thinks that if Wilfork, Kelly and Mayo didn't get injured they'd have the best defense in the league. Those games against 3 of the worst QB's in the league in September proved it lol

     
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    Dt 1st rd wilfork


    Dt very solid pro kelly

    Dt solid fa siliga

    Dt potential starter armstead

    De 1st rd stud chandler jones

    De best run defending de in football rob ninkovich, still gets 8 sacks a year and leads the team in qb pressures

    Lb 1st rd hightower

    Lb 1st rd captain mayo

    Lb 2nd rd collins

    Cb 1st rd talib

    Cb 7th rd solid dennard(2nd rd grade)

    Cb 3rd rd logan ryan solid promising

    Cb top rated nickel back arrington

    FS 1st rd safety dmc, highest rated safety in nfl by pro footbal focus, only patriot to make their pro bowl team, lead league in pass deflections for safety

    SS  gregory, had a better year then is given credit for, but not a traditional ss, so we signed one of the best SS's of the last decade but he tore his achilles.

    3rd round pick durom harmon, looked good in  a back up role.

    This D needs to invest in the DT position and probably walk away from kelly coming off acl surgery. Siliga can be the early down run stuffer next to vw.. Sign Talib, or another vet cb, find an in the box intimidating strong safety they have missed since rodney( put him in rotation with gregory as a situational player). There are no glaring needs for this defense.

    F o r those that feel the need to compare us to seattle realize seattle is the best defense this league has seen since probably the 2000 ravens. Building a defense like seattles isnt easy.

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    Give pete carrol props along with Schneider,  but in doing so, don't bad mouth the man who brought his team to 8 afc championships in the last 13 years. Only trolls need to bad mouth one while praising the other. See comments by murtl, babe, and that weird pezz guy.

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    pezz, murtl and babe aren't trolls, they are spot on about their obseravtions, don't act like becasue we don't agree you and your troll mate rusty we aren't worthy-you guys like to come across as know it alls

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    when I read "fans" say things like Jerod Mayo is a bust, and BB should be fired, they are either idiots, or pushing an agenda to badmouth our 5 time SB champions coach. One or the other. Self reflect, find out which one you are, and be that person!

     
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    Dt 1st rd wilfork


    Dt very solid pro kelly

    Dt solid fa siliga

    Dt potential starter armstead

    De 1st rd stud chandler jones

    De best run defending de in football rob ninkovich, still gets 8 sacks a year and leads the team in qb pressures

    Lb 1st rd hightower

    Lb 1st rd captain mayo

    Lb 2nd rd collins

    Cb 1st rd talib

    Cb 7th rd solid dennard(2nd rd grade)

    Cb 3rd rd logan ryan solid promising

    Cb top rated nickel back arrington

    FS 1st rd safety dmc, highest rated safety in nfl by pro footbal focus, only patriot to make their pro bowl team, lead league in pass deflections for safety

    SS  gregory, had a better year then is given credit for, but not a traditional ss, so we signed one of the best SS's of the last decade but he tore his achilles.

    3rd round pick durom harmon, looked good in  a back up role.

    This D needs to invest in the DT position and probably walk away from kelly coming off acl surgery. Siliga can be the early down run stuffer next to vw.. Sign Talib, or another vet cb, find an in the box intimidating strong safety they have missed since rodney( put him in rotation with gregory as a situational player). There are no glaring needs for this defense.

    F o r those that feel the need to compare us to seattle realize seattle is the best defense this league has seen since probably the 2000 ravens. Building a defense like seattles isnt easy.

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    Give pete carrol props along with Schneider,  but in doing so, don't bad mouth the man who brought his team to 8 afc championships in the last 13 years. Only trolls need to bad mouth one while praising the other. See comments by murtl, babe, and that weird pezz guy.

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    pezz, murtl and babe aren't trolls, they are spot on about their obseravtions, don't act like becasue we don't agree you and your troll mate rusty we aren't worthy-you guys like to come across as know it alls

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    when I read "fans" say things like Jerod Mayo is a bust, and BB should be fired, they are either idiots, or pushing an agenda to badmouth our 5 time SB champions coach. One or the other. Self reflect, find out which one you are, and be that person!

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    never said BB should be fired, but he's lacking in either the coaching department or the GM department. what do you think. something has to be fixed.

    he's shopping for the groceries, making the dinners, but we have alot of indestgestion

    he is a 3 time SB HC champion, a 2 time DC SB champion and a 2 time HC SB loser.

    get away from the koolaid dude. don't live on past laurels, that's why the Patriots are in the mess they are in, they have not evovled.

     

     

     
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    Dt 1st rd wilfork


    Dt very solid pro kelly

    Dt solid fa siliga

    Dt potential starter armstead

    De 1st rd stud chandler jones

    De best run defending de in football rob ninkovich, still gets 8 sacks a year and leads the team in qb pressures

    Lb 1st rd hightower

    Lb 1st rd captain mayo

    Lb 2nd rd collins

    Cb 1st rd talib

    Cb 7th rd solid dennard(2nd rd grade)

    Cb 3rd rd logan ryan solid promising

    Cb top rated nickel back arrington

    FS 1st rd safety dmc, highest rated safety in nfl by pro footbal focus, only patriot to make their pro bowl team, lead league in pass deflections for safety

    SS  gregory, had a better year then is given credit for, but not a traditional ss, so we signed one of the best SS's of the last decade but he tore his achilles.

    3rd round pick durom harmon, looked good in  a back up role.

    This D needs to invest in the DT position and probably walk away from kelly coming off acl surgery. Siliga can be the early down run stuffer next to vw.. Sign Talib, or another vet cb, find an in the box intimidating strong safety they have missed since rodney( put him in rotation with gregory as a situational player). There are no glaring needs for this defense.

    F o r those that feel the need to compare us to seattle realize seattle is the best defense this league has seen since probably the 2000 ravens. Building a defense like seattles isnt easy.

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    Give pete carrol props along with Schneider,  but in doing so, don't bad mouth the man who brought his team to 8 afc championships in the last 13 years. Only trolls need to bad mouth one while praising the other. See comments by murtl, babe, and that weird pezz guy.

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    pezz, murtl and babe aren't trolls, they are spot on about their obseravtions, don't act like becasue we don't agree you and your troll mate rusty we aren't worthy-you guys like to come across as know it alls

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    when I read "fans" say things like Jerod Mayo is a bust, and BB should be fired, they are either idiots, or pushing an agenda to badmouth our 5 time SB champions coach. One or the other. Self reflect, find out which one you are, and be that person!

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    never said BB should be fired, but he's lacking in either the coaching department or the GM department. what do you think. something has to be fixed.

    he's shopping for the groceries, making the dinners, but we have alot of indestgestion

    he is a 3 time SB HC champion, a 2 time DC SB champion and a 2 time HC SB loser.

    get away from the koolaid dude. don't live on past laurels, that's why the Patriots are in the mess they are in, they have not evovled.

     

     

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    You act like losing a SB in the last 2 minutes makes you a bad coach. Missing the playoffs with a good team makes you a bad coach, we don't do that. Look at Brees, Rodgers, the Mannings, Ben, they all had the same Sb coaches, the same Sb GM's and they regularly turn in stinker seasons. And you discount all the injuries we had, including the best TE in football who caught almost 40 tds his 1st 3 seasons(more then any other player in history). Plus the other great young TE murdered people right after Free Agency. Please, this team was staring down 13-3, at the very least if not 14-2 or better and a home afc championship game in bad weather against peyton....meaning probably a 2nd SB appearance in 3 years. Unreal!

     
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    In our debate, all I am saying is our D cant get off the field in big games. Mayo is the leader and highest paid player on the D outside of Fork so I expect more , yes. Not to say he needs to carry the team but just dont tell me he is great when he cant make a differnce on the field. He is just another guy come playoff time. Got it. Go look and see how many 3 and outs San Fran when they played Bmore. Sure they lost but it wasnt because they couldnt off the field like ours...Only thing that has changed since 2010 is Tommy Kelly, Dennard and Talib. None of them were on the field two weeks ago though...oh wait, dennard WAS on the field....just didnt make a play. Im glad everyone loves our D. I dont.

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    well i pretty much agree with you there. the D cant get off the field in big games yes. and maybe that is partyl mayo's fault but it doesnt help he dont have a consistent pass rush, ever. or even consistent secondary, ever.

     

     
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    Dt 1st rd wilfork


    Dt very solid pro kelly

    Dt solid fa siliga

    Dt potential starter armstead

    De 1st rd stud chandler jones

    De best run defending de in football rob ninkovich, still gets 8 sacks a year and leads the team in qb pressures

    Lb 1st rd hightower

    Lb 1st rd captain mayo

    Lb 2nd rd collins

    Cb 1st rd talib

    Cb 7th rd solid dennard(2nd rd grade)

    Cb 3rd rd logan ryan solid promising

    Cb top rated nickel back arrington

    FS 1st rd safety dmc, highest rated safety in nfl by pro footbal focus, only patriot to make their pro bowl team, lead league in pass deflections for safety

    SS  gregory, had a better year then is given credit for, but not a traditional ss, so we signed one of the best SS's of the last decade but he tore his achilles.

    3rd round pick durom harmon, looked good in  a back up role.

    This D needs to invest in the DT position and probably walk away from kelly coming off acl surgery. Siliga can be the early down run stuffer next to vw.. Sign Talib, or another vet cb, find an in the box intimidating strong safety they have missed since rodney( put him in rotation with gregory as a situational player). There are no glaring needs for this defense.

    F o r those that feel the need to compare us to seattle realize seattle is the best defense this league has seen since probably the 2000 ravens. Building a defense like seattles isnt easy.

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    Give pete carrol props along with Schneider,  but in doing so, don't bad mouth the man who brought his team to 8 afc championships in the last 13 years. Only trolls need to bad mouth one while praising the other. See comments by murtl, babe, and that weird pezz guy.

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    pezz, murtl and babe aren't trolls, they are spot on about their obseravtions, don't act like becasue we don't agree you and your troll mate rusty we aren't worthy-you guys like to come across as know it alls

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    when I read "fans" say things like Jerod Mayo is a bust, and BB should be fired, they are either idiots, or pushing an agenda to badmouth our 5 time SB champions coach. One or the other. Self reflect, find out which one you are, and be that person!

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    When things are said like that, there's a reason.

      You do the same thing when you say we need to run, run, run and run some more until we tire their D, so we can make up for the 28 point hole that run, run, run put us in, and then they pass, pass, pass.. in the 4th quarter.

    Only that makes no sense. 

    They don't run when they are losing. Not just the by score ( might have an unsafe lead), but in the trenches and losing time and losing possessions. The lack of running is not causing them to lose, it's because they already are. Two weeks ago, it was very obvious (at least to me) that they would give up on the run.  They weren't scoring and they needed to, quickly.  The first 3 possessions with zero run gain, sealed their fate.  If they had succeeded, it would have been different... but it wasn't.

    Again, and for the millionth time, when your D is on the field  forever and allowing scores at an alarming rate, you pass. You really don't have a choice.  You can't slow it down further.

    The bigger issue is, why this is happening and happening more frequently.  The answer is the D, didn't used to put them in that situation but for years now, they have.  It's also taken teams time to be able to do it.  The JETS did it for cripes sake.

    When you are playing bad teams, it's easier to overcome but now, more and more teams are using this to keep TB off the field and the only way to do that is by keeping the D on the field.

    Not only is this limiting possessions. it is limiting the amount of plays, in those possessions.

    Fail!

    Now, you can choose to ignore this if you want but there is a reason the D is failing.

    You have to go back to 2005 to see it, but it's there, plain as day.

    Out of 70+ defensive draft picks, how many were impact players and still on the team? 2?

    Out of 100's of FA pickups, how many were impact players and still on the team?  1?

    Out of the 3 (yes, only 3) receivers they drafted in that time, up until last year when they exceeded what they drafted in 7 F'n years) how many of them were busts?  100%

    Sorry dude, they didn't just forget to run the ball in those big games, overnight .

    There's a good reason and it starts at the top.

    If you find any of that "weird", you might want to check your own perspective.

    What I find weird is that you are becoming more and more like crusty.

    Now, that's weird.  I can't imagine anyone wanting to do that, but if you insist, you will get the same kind of responses that he does.  Congrats & Good luck with that.

     

     
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    Dt 1st rd wilfork


    Dt very solid pro kelly

    Dt solid fa siliga

    Dt potential starter armstead

    De 1st rd stud chandler jones

    De best run defending de in football rob ninkovich, still gets 8 sacks a year and leads the team in qb pressures

    Lb 1st rd hightower

    Lb 1st rd captain mayo

    Lb 2nd rd collins

    Cb 1st rd talib

    Cb 7th rd solid dennard(2nd rd grade)

    Cb 3rd rd logan ryan solid promising

    Cb top rated nickel back arrington

    FS 1st rd safety dmc, highest rated safety in nfl by pro footbal focus, only patriot to make their pro bowl team, lead league in pass deflections for safety

    SS  gregory, had a better year then is given credit for, but not a traditional ss, so we signed one of the best SS's of the last decade but he tore his achilles.

    3rd round pick durom harmon, looked good in  a back up role.

    This D needs to invest in the DT position and probably walk away from kelly coming off acl surgery. Siliga can be the early down run stuffer next to vw.. Sign Talib, or another vet cb, find an in the box intimidating strong safety they have missed since rodney( put him in rotation with gregory as a situational player). There are no glaring needs for this defense.

    F o r those that feel the need to compare us to seattle realize seattle is the best defense this league has seen since probably the 2000 ravens. Building a defense like seattles isnt easy.

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    Give pete carrol props along with Schneider,  but in doing so, don't bad mouth the man who brought his team to 8 afc championships in the last 13 years. Only trolls need to bad mouth one while praising the other. See comments by murtl, babe, and that weird pezz guy.

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    pezz, murtl and babe aren't trolls, they are spot on about their obseravtions, don't act like becasue we don't agree you and your troll mate rusty we aren't worthy-you guys like to come across as know it alls

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    when I read "fans" say things like Jerod Mayo is a bust, and BB should be fired, they are either idiots, or pushing an agenda to badmouth our 5 time SB champions coach. One or the other. Self reflect, find out which one you are, and be that person!

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    When things are said like that, there's a reason.

      You do the same thing when you say we need to run, run, run and run some more until we tire their D, so we can make up for the 28 point hole that run, run, run put us in, and then they pass, pass, pass.. in the 4th quarter.

    Only that makes no sense. 

    They don't run when they are losing. Not just the by score ( might have an unsafe lead), but in the trenches and losing time and losing possessions. The lack of running is not causing them to lose, it's because they already are. Two weeks ago, it was very obvious (at least to me) that they would give up on the run.  They weren't scoring and they needed to, quickly.  The first 3 possessions with zero run gain, sealed their fate.  If they had succeeded, it would have been different... but it wasn't.

    Again, and for the millionth time, when your D is on the field  forever and allowing scores at an alarming rate, you pass. You really don't have a choice.  You can't slow it down further.

    The bigger issue is, why this is happening and happening more frequently.  The answer is the D, didn't used to put them in that situation but for years now, they have.  It's also taken teams time to be able to do it.  The JETS did it for cripes sake.

    When you are playing bad teams, it's easier to overcome but now, more and more teams are using this to keep TB off the field and the only way to do that is by keeping the D on the field.

    Not only is this limiting possessions. it is limiting the amount of plays, in those possessions.

    Fail!

    Now, you can choose to ignore this if you want but there is a reason the D is failing.

    You have to go back to 2005 to see it, but it's there, plain as day.

    Out of 70+ defensive draft picks, how many were impact players and still on the team? 2?

    Out of 100's of FA pickups, how many were impact players and still on the team?  1?

    Out of the 3 (yes, only 3) receivers they drafted in that time, up until last year when they exceeded what they drafted in 7 F'n years) how many of them were busts?  100%

    Sorry dude, they didn't just forget to run the ball in those big games, overnight .

    There's a good reason and it starts at the top.

    If you find any of that "weird", you might want to check your own perspective.

    What I find weird is that you are becoming more and more like crusty.

    Now, that's weird.  I can't imagine anyone wanting to do that, but if you insist, you will get the same kind of responses that he does.  Congrats & Good luck with that.

     

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    Yeah sure pal, you aren't weird at all.

     
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    Re: Our Defense is Close

    I think Collins is the key to the whole thing, obviously. When I watch that kid I say to myself....they didn't screw this one up...this kid is ligit. You don't have to make excuses for this kid, you don't have to say, "well you can't expect him to cover! He's a linebacker". And you won't have to hear.."making the transition from college to the pros takes time, give the kid a few years, he'll be just fine. What are you expecting? You are spoiled if you think he can tackle and run in the right direction". And those are things I hear regularly around here, but I don't have to hear it about him, because he can play...I think the sky is the limit with him. I never thought that about Hightower. I never thought that about Spikes. 

     I think we need two defensive tackles that can play. What I'd really love to see is one defensive lineman that can dominate, but I see no way to acquire one like that.

    What are the chances of us moving our first round pick? By either moving up or trading it for a known defensive lineman? Because I don't see any defensive linemen that are very good at the spot we are selecting.

     
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    Re: Our Defense is Close

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    Dt 1st rd wilfork


    Dt very solid pro kelly

    Dt solid fa siliga

    Dt potential starter armstead

    De 1st rd stud chandler jones

    De best run defending de in football rob ninkovich, still gets 8 sacks a year and leads the team in qb pressures

    Lb 1st rd hightower

    Lb 1st rd captain mayo

    Lb 2nd rd collins

    Cb 1st rd talib

    Cb 7th rd solid dennard(2nd rd grade)

    Cb 3rd rd logan ryan solid promising

    Cb top rated nickel back arrington

    FS 1st rd safety dmc, highest rated safety in nfl by pro footbal focus, only patriot to make their pro bowl team, lead league in pass deflections for safety

    SS  gregory, had a better year then is given credit for, but not a traditional ss, so we signed one of the best SS's of the last decade but he tore his achilles.

    3rd round pick durom harmon, looked good in  a back up role.

    This D needs to invest in the DT position and probably walk away from kelly coming off acl surgery. Siliga can be the early down run stuffer next to vw.. Sign Talib, or another vet cb, find an in the box intimidating strong safety they have missed since rodney( put him in rotation with gregory as a situational player). There are no glaring needs for this defense.

    F o r those that feel the need to compare us to seattle realize seattle is the best defense this league has seen since probably the 2000 ravens. Building a defense like seattles isnt easy.

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    Give pete carrol props along with Schneider,  but in doing so, don't bad mouth the man who brought his team to 8 afc championships in the last 13 years. Only trolls need to bad mouth one while praising the other. See comments by murtl, babe, and that weird pezz guy.

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    pezz, murtl and babe aren't trolls, they are spot on about their obseravtions, don't act like becasue we don't agree you and your troll mate rusty we aren't worthy-you guys like to come across as know it alls

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    when I read "fans" say things like Jerod Mayo is a bust, and BB should be fired, they are either idiots, or pushing an agenda to badmouth our 5 time SB champions coach. One or the other. Self reflect, find out which one you are, and be that person!

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    When things are said like that, there's a reason.

      You do the same thing when you say we need to run, run, run and run some more until we tire their D, so we can make up for the 28 point hole that run, run, run put us in, and then they pass, pass, pass.. in the 4th quarter.

    Only that makes no sense. 

    They don't run when they are losing. Not just the by score ( might have an unsafe lead), but in the trenches and losing time and losing possessions. The lack of running is not causing them to lose, it's because they already are. Two weeks ago, it was very obvious (at least to me) that they would give up on the run.  They weren't scoring and they needed to, quickly.  The first 3 possessions with zero run gain, sealed their fate.  If they had succeeded, it would have been different... but it wasn't.

    Again, and for the millionth time, when your D is on the field  forever and allowing scores at an alarming rate, you pass. You really don't have a choice.  You can't slow it down further.

    The bigger issue is, why this is happening and happening more frequently.  The answer is the D, didn't used to put them in that situation but for years now, they have.  It's also taken teams time to be able to do it.  The JETS did it for cripes sake.

    When you are playing bad teams, it's easier to overcome but now, more and more teams are using this to keep TB off the field and the only way to do that is by keeping the D on the field.

    Not only is this limiting possessions. it is limiting the amount of plays, in those possessions.

    Fail!

    Now, you can choose to ignore this if you want but there is a reason the D is failing.

    You have to go back to 2005 to see it, but it's there, plain as day.

    Out of 70+ defensive draft picks, how many were impact players and still on the team? 2?

    Out of 100's of FA pickups, how many were impact players and still on the team?  1?

    Out of the 3 (yes, only 3) receivers they drafted in that time, up until last year when they exceeded what they drafted in 7 F'n years) how many of them were busts?  100%

    Sorry dude, they didn't just forget to run the ball in those big games, overnight .

    There's a good reason and it starts at the top.

    If you find any of that "weird", you might want to check your own perspective.

    What I find weird is that you are becoming more and more like crusty.

    Now, that's weird.  I can't imagine anyone wanting to do that, but if you insist, you will get the same kind of responses that he does.  Congrats & Good luck with that.

     

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    Is that a mirror, crusty jr.?  Just like your daddy, you got nothing to say.  Typical.

    Can't dispute it, pooh pooh it.  Right Jr.? 

    Run...run...run...It's your solution for everything..... Too bad it's just soo wrong in every way.   LMAO@U

     
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    Joe,

    You are a smart guy.  Might try to appease the freak too much but smart none the less.

    So, do me a favor and figure this out for me.

    How many Points would Wilson have scored

    without the safety

    without the 2 pics and fumble recovery

    without the KR

    and with 3 less possessions.

    In other words with no defensive and ST help, at all.

    Then tell me what the total score would have been for both teams.

    Then look at last years SB where Flacco benefited from virtually the same thing, cept that game had 13 possessions, so take away 5 to get to 8.

    I can tell you, I already did it for last year and Flacco would have only scored 14pts and he would have lost.

    You wanna look at the SB's the Pats won, without all that, too?

    A good D can make an offense and a BAD one will break their offense, every time.

    D's win championships by keeping the score down and helping ( not screwing) their own O and the Pats D, is NOT CLOSE!  Not by a long shot!

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    sorry for not getting back to you quicker Prezz.. but

    i agree with you that a bad D can kill a good O as well.

    I def misspoke when i said we were close... but do I think we have good pieces that could be built around? yes.

    why after 6 years of attempted rebuilding am I holding faith in BB, I couldn't answer that for you but I still have faith in him to eventually find the right guys for the D

    if he can make 4-5 big ffseason moves whether its FA or draft if he can get 4-5 good players we will have a top 10 D which imo is enough to get a ring because TB can carry the rest of the load with a better D.

    but I do agree the defense has been bad and hasnt helped the O at times

     
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    Re: Our Defense is Close

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    What are the chances of us moving our first round pick? By either moving up or trading it for a known defensive lineman? Because I don't see any defensive linemen that are very good at the spot we are selecting.



    If there is a DL BB wants in the 1st he will trade up for him.  He did for Warren.  He did for Chandler.  He reportedly would have for Sapp when he was in Cleveland.  DL is one area where he has shown a willingness to trade up in the past.  I'd like to see it happen too obviously.

     
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    Re: Our Defense is Close

    I agree with TCal - you are delusional- if you consider having a bunch of MEDIOCRE caliber players (other than an aged VW)  close -  then yeah the Pats are close - name me one Playmaker other than an injury prone Talib from the 2013 season? The Seahawcks on the other hand are littered with Young fast play makers all over the field on Defense!

     
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    Re: Our Defense is Close

    Couple of points:

    One of the reasons Parcells left NE in the first place is that he didn't have decision making authority re: personnel decisions.  Bobby Grier (remember him) was the VP of Player Personnel (or similar title) made the drafting decisions while Parcells and Carroll were here.

    Posters may recall that BB remade a good bit of the roster in his first year; he retained players that fit his style; released others.

    Lots and lots of critics of BB's drafting.  How'd he do in comparison with the rest of the league?  Don't cherry pick - how'd all of em do, overall?

     
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    One of the reasons Parcells left NE in the first place is that he didn't have decision making authority re: personnel decisions.  Bobby Grier (remember him) was the VP of Player Personnel (or similar title) made the drafting decisions while Parcells and Carroll were here.

    Posters may recall that BB remade a good bit of the roster in his first year; he retained players that fit his style; released others.

    Lots and lots of critics of BB's drafting.  How'd he do in comparison with the rest of the league?  Don't cherry pick - how'd all of em do, overall?

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    If I may add to this...Parcells was already hyper sensitive to this issue from his Giants days. Management had a policy in NY that Parcells was a poor judge of talent but given a team to Coach there was none better. The final straw here is when Parcells flat out wanted a DL and was told the Pats were taking Terry Glenn, a player that Parcells did not like.

     
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    One of the reasons Parcells left NE in the first place is that he didn't have decision making authority re: personnel decisions.  Bobby Grier (remember him) was the VP of Player Personnel (or similar title) made the drafting decisions while Parcells and Carroll were here.

    Posters may recall that BB remade a good bit of the roster in his first year; he retained players that fit his style; released others.

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    If I may add to this...Parcells was already hyper sensitive to this issue from his Giants days. Management had a policy in NY that Parcells was a poor judge of talent but given a team to Coach there was none better. The final straw here is when Parcells flat out wanted a DL and was told the Pats were taking Terry Glenn, a player that Parcells did not like.

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    Now that you mention it, NMPL, I remember that Parcells really had little use for Glenn as a player.

     
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    Couple of points:

    One of the reasons Parcells left NE in the first place is that he didn't have decision making authority re: personnel decisions.  Bobby Grier (remember him) was the VP of Player Personnel (or similar title) made the drafting decisions while Parcells and Carroll were here.

    Posters may recall that BB remade a good bit of the roster in his first year; he retained players that fit his style; released others.

    Lots and lots of critics of BB's drafting.  How'd he do in comparison with the rest of the league?  Don't cherry pick - how'd all of em do, overall?

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    If I may add to this...Parcells was already hyper sensitive to this issue from his Giants days. Management had a policy in NY that Parcells was a poor judge of talent but given a team to Coach there was none better. The final straw here is when Parcells flat out wanted a DL and was told the Pats were taking Terry Glenn, a player that Parcells did not like.

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    Now that you mention it, NMPL, I remember that Parcells really had little use for Glenn as a player.

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    I would have to agree with Parcells about Glenn as a player but when you look back on his career you think what wasted talent who didn't work hard and yet he had close to 600 receptions. Can you imagine what he could have accomplished if he chose to actually work at his craft instead of rely on just natural ability.

     
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