Panthers Peppers Problem Possibly Projects in Patriots' Plans?

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    [QUOTE]you cant pay Peppers what he deserves,then tell Wilfork and Seymour their not worth the same
    Posted by gazzzmann[/QUOTE]

         I can't see Peppers becoming a Patriot, unless the Pats do something wild...like trade Richard Seymour for him. I don't see something like that happening.
     
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    [QUOTE]     Go ahead and try to say that fast 5 times!!      Don't expect Julius Peppers to be a New England Patriot in 2009.      The Carolina Panthers have a huge mess on their hands. It is similar to what the Patriots had to deal with in the Matt Cassel matter. Like Cassel, Peppers is an UFA. Like Cassel, the pro-bowl calibre DE is coming off a very good year, in which he tallied a career high 14.7 sacks.       Like the Patriots, the Panther were faced with a decision. Do they franchise Peppers, and thereby put themselves on the hook to pay him ungodly money ($16.7 mil.) for the upcoming season? Or, do they let him go...clear his cap space, and move on?      Like the Patriots, they choose the franchise route. But, unlike the Cassel situation, Peppers has complicated matters by refused to sign the $16.7mil. tender. As a result, the Panthers' hands have been tied. They are not allowed to negotiate a possible trade with another team. Only Peppers and his agent, Carl Carey, may do so. Furthermore, unlike Cassel, Peppers has listed only 4 teams for which he is willing to play...with the Patriots being the only AFC team on his list.       As a result, the Peppers problem has lingered. It has led to a disasterous off-season for the Panthers. Despite the fact that J.P. has failed to sign the offered one year tender, Carolina is nontheless saddled with a $16.7 cap charge. This brought about the release of starting CB Ken Lucas, and starting WR D.J. Hackett, in order to clear cap space. Furthermore, Carolina has lost several valuable reserves to free agency. Cap restricted as they are, they have not been able to replentish the losses by signing other free agents.       In retrospect, the Panthers would have been far better off by letting Peppers leave. He is 29 years old, and has expressed a desire to play OLB if a 3-4 defense. No team, including the Patriots, is going to pay the huge amount of money that Peppers seeks. The only way a deal will get done is if Peppers agrees to take a reduced rate to play elsewhere.       As for compensation, who would be willing to part with a premium draft choice for a high priced, 4-3 pro-bowl DE, who, at age 29, wants to convert to an OLB in a 3-4 defense? The only way Carolina can hope to salvage something from this mess is to significantly lower their compensation demands.      What possible solution can be reached? Seemingly, no team will, or should, agree to pay top dollar, and part with a top draft choice, to land JP. As a result, it would appear that the only option for Peppers will be to accept the $16.7mil. tender, and unhappily remain a Carolina Panther.      As for the Panthers, they are left to ponder the highly unlikely scenaio that JP's extreme unhappiness will not affect his play. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=4074399    
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]

    As long as Peppers has not signed the franchise tender, the Panthers can rescind the tag.

     
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    [QUOTE]As long as Peppers has not signed the franchise tender, the Panthers can rescind the tag.
    Posted by EnochRoot[/QUOTE]

         Enoch...apparently, you are correct. From the brief bit of research I did on the issue, I found this answer:

         1.) A Transition tAG: A transition tag is a tool used by National Football League teams to retain unrestricted free agents. It guarantees the original club the right of first refusal to match any offer the player may make with another team. The transition tag can be used once a year by each club unless they elect to use a franchise tag instead. Transition tags can be rescinded, however, teams that rescind a transition tag cannot use it again until the next season.

         If a player signs a contract after receiving the transition tag, his original team can not use the tag again on any player until the contract has expired. The exception is if the player first signs a transition offer sheet, which is a one-year contract equal to the average salary of the top ten players in the league at the player's position, or a twenty percent salary increase, whichever is greater. This contract was not historically guaranteed, however, it will be guaranteed starting in 2007 per the collective bargaining agreement agreed to by the NFL owners and the NFLPA on March 8, 2006. If the player signs the offer sheet prior to a long-term contract, the player's team can then use the tag the next year.

         If another club offers a contract to a transitioned player, his original club has seven days to decide whether the original club will match that offer or not. If the original club agrees to match, the player is forced to sign with the original club at the terms agreed to in the offer by the other club. If the original club declines to match, the player signs with the other team, and the original team is offered no compensation, as they would be if the player had received the franchise tag.

    2.) FRANCHISE TAG: Every year each National Football League team is allowed to designate a player who is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent as a franchise player. This designation is applied to a player through the use of the franchise tag. Each team has access each year to only one franchise tag (of either the exclusive or non-exclusive forms) or one transition tag. As a result, each team may only designate one player each year as that team's franchise player.

    Usually designated for players of great skill or of high importance to the team, a franchise tag allows a team's manager the privilege of strategically retaining valuable free-agent players while seeking talent through the NFL draft or other acquisitions without exceeding the League's salary cap.

    If the designated franchise player elects to play for the team that designated him with the franchise tag, and does not negotiate a contract with another team his one year salary is guaranteed.

    If a club withdraws their offered contract the player immediately reverts to an unrestricted free agent.

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080221051203AAfGFZw 
     
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    [QUOTE]As long as Peppers has not signed the franchise tender, the Panthers can rescind the tag.
    Posted by EnochRoot[/QUOTE]
    thanks Enoch
     
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    [QUOTE]     Enoch...apparently, you are correct. From the brief bit of research I did on the issue, I found this answer:      1.) A Transition tAG: A transition tag is a tool used by National Football League teams to retain unrestricted free agents. It guarantees the original club the right of first refusal to match any offer the player may make with another team. The transition tag can be used once a year by each club unless they elect to use a franchise tag instead. Transition tags can be rescinded, however, teams that rescind a transition tag cannot use it again until the next season.      If a player signs a contract after receiving the transition tag, his original team can not use the tag again on any player until the contract has expired. The exception is if the player first signs a transition offer sheet, which is a one-year contract equal to the average salary of the top ten players in the league at the player's position, or a twenty percent salary increase, whichever is greater. This contract was not historically guaranteed, however, it will be guaranteed starting in 2007 per the collective bargaining agreement agreed to by the NFL owners and the NFLPA on March 8, 2006. If the player signs the offer sheet prior to a long-term contract, the player's team can then use the tag the next year.      If another club offers a contract to a transitioned player, his original club has seven days to decide whether the original club will match that offer or not. If the original club agrees to match, the player is forced to sign with the original club at the terms agreed to in the offer by the other club. If the original club declines to match, the player signs with the other team, and the original team is offered no compensation, as they would be if the player had received the franchise tag. 2.) FRANCHISE TAG: Every year each National Football League team is allowed to designate a player who is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent as a franchise player. This designation is applied to a player through the use of the franchise tag. Each team has access each year to only one franchise tag (of either the exclusive or non-exclusive forms) or one transition tag. As a result, each team may only designate one player each year as that team's franchise player. Usually designated for players of great skill or of high importance to the team, a franchise tag allows a team's manager the privilege of strategically retaining valuable free-agent players while seeking talent through the NFL draft or other acquisitions without exceeding the League's salary cap. If the designated franchise player elects to play for the team that designated him with the franchise tag, and does not negotiate a contract with another team his one year salary is guaranteed. If a club withdraws their offered contract the player immediately reverts to an unrestricted free agent. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080221051203AAfGFZw  
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]

    If he doesn't sign before the draft I'd pull the offer sheet from the table. There isn't a DE in football worth 16.7 mil. 

    Peppers position provides perfect perspective pertaining to player propaganda policies.
     
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    Forget peppers,plenty of draft picks to cover vrabels loss.To change the subject,i hope kg is getting over his sore knee while real men like lucic,axelsson and bergeron show what a mans game really is!

     
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    [QUOTE]If he doesn't sign before the draft I'd pull the offer sheet from the table. There isn't a DE in football worth 16.7 mil.  Peppers position provides perfect perspective pertaining to player propaganda policies.
    Posted by jbolted[/QUOTE]

         The Panthers should have cut him loose to begin with. No player, save maybe a first rate QB, is worth tying up $16.7mil. in cap space for one season. But now, if the Panthers pull the offer, Peppers will be an unrestricted free agent...which is what hes' wanted all along. How foolish would the team look to its' fans if this were done...after losing several players to keep cap room open? 

         Thereafter, Peppers would be able to sign with whomever he pleased...and the Panthers would receive no compensation...save a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2010. So...I don't thing the Panthers will do this. Instead, they'll probably lower their asking price for compensation. If Peppers can find a 3-4 team that will pay him (Denver/Pats?), and Carolina can somehow manage to convince a team to part with a mid-range 2nd round pick for him, they should sing praises to the Lord.  
     
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    I like where this is going, as far as the Pats are concerned. It truly does seem that Peppers would like to go elsewhere.
     
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    [QUOTE]I like where this is going, as far as the Pats are concerned. It truly does seem that Peppers would like to go elsewhere.
    Posted by Hog73[/QUOTE]

         Agreed. But, it doesn't make any sense to me for the Pats to part with a high draft pick, and pay huge dollars to a 29 year old, very good 4-3 DE, who wants to learn the 3-4 OLB spot. If the Pats were to take the Pappers plunge, they would have to trade/release some players in order to create cap room.    
     
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    Texas, Been a long time...that was a tight post on Julius Peppers.
    I don't fault or criticize Peppers one bit because he's got them (Carolina) over a barrel. This is a copycat league, and the Carolina GM should have been paying more attention or they wouldn't be in the predicament they're in now. As usual the Patriots are holding their cards close to their chest with respect to their intentions towards him.
    Personally, I would like to see him in the uniform. Peppers is 4 to 5 years younger than Taylor and I don't see the point in replacing Vrabel with Taylor. 

    If memory serves correct, they want younger and athletic, not older and past their prime and hopefully, still athletic.  









    [QUOTE]     Go ahead and try to say that fast 5 times!!      Don't expect Julius Peppers to be a New England Patriot in 2009.      The Carolina Panthers have a huge mess on their hands. It is similar to what the Patriots had to deal with in the Matt Cassel matter. Like Cassel, Peppers is an UFA. Like Cassel, the pro-bowl calibre DE is coming off a very good year, in which he tallied a career high 14.7 sacks.       Like the Patriots, the Panther were faced with a decision. Do they franchise Peppers, and thereby put themselves on the hook to pay him ungodly money ($16.7 mil.) for the upcoming season? Or, do they let him go...clear his cap space, and move on?      Like the Patriots, they choose the franchise route. But, unlike the Cassel situation, Peppers has complicated matters by refused to sign the $16.7mil. tender. As a result, the Panthers' hands have been tied. They are not allowed to negotiate a possible trade with another team. Only Peppers and his agent, Carl Carey, may do so. Furthermore, unlike Cassel, Peppers has listed only 4 teams for which he is willing to play...with the Patriots being the only AFC team on his list.       As a result, the Peppers problem has lingered. It has led to a disasterous off-season for the Panthers. Despite the fact that J.P. has failed to sign the offered one year tender, Carolina is nontheless saddled with a $16.7 cap charge. This brought about the release of starting CB Ken Lucas, and starting WR D.J. Hackett, in order to clear cap space. Furthermore, Carolina has lost several valuable reserves to free agency. Cap restricted as they are, they have not been able to replentish the losses by signing other free agents.       In retrospect, the Panthers would have been far better off by letting Peppers leave. He is 29 years old, and has expressed a desire to play OLB if a 3-4 defense. No team, including the Patriots, is going to pay the huge amount of money that Peppers seeks. The only way a deal will get done is if Peppers agrees to take a reduced rate to play elsewhere.       As for compensation, who would be willing to part with a premium draft choice for a high priced, 4-3 pro-bowl DE, who, at age 29, wants to convert to an OLB in a 3-4 defense? The only way Carolina can hope to salvage something from this mess is to significantly lower their compensation demands.      What possible solution can be reached? Seemingly, no team will, or should, agree to pay top dollar, and part with a top draft choice, to land JP. As a result, it would appear that the only option for Peppers will be to accept the $16.7mil. tender, and unhappily remain a Carolina Panther.      As for the Panthers, they are left to ponder the highly unlikely scenaio that JP's extreme unhappiness will not affect his play. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=4074399    
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]

     
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    [QUOTE]     Go ahead and try to say that fast 5 times!!      Don't expect Julius Peppers to be a New England Patriot in 2009.      The Carolina Panthers have a huge mess on their hands. It is similar to what the Patriots had to deal with in the Matt Cassel matter. Like Cassel, Peppers is an UFA. Like Cassel, the pro-bowl calibre DE is coming off a very good year, in which he tallied a career high 14.7 sacks.       Like the Patriots, the Panther were faced with a decision. Do they franchise Peppers, and thereby put themselves on the hook to pay him ungodly money ($16.7 mil.) for the upcoming season? Or, do they let him go...clear his cap space, and move on?      Like the Patriots, they choose the franchise route. But, unlike the Cassel situation, Peppers has complicated matters by refused to sign the $16.7mil. tender. As a result, the Panthers' hands have been tied. They are not allowed to negotiate a possible trade with another team. Only Peppers and his agent, Carl Carey, may do so. Furthermore, unlike Cassel, Peppers has listed only 4 teams for which he is willing to play...with the Patriots being the only AFC team on his list.       As a result, the Peppers problem has lingered. It has led to a disasterous off-season for the Panthers. Despite the fact that J.P. has failed to sign the offered one year tender, Carolina is nontheless saddled with a $16.7 cap charge. This brought about the release of starting CB Ken Lucas, and starting WR D.J. Hackett, in order to clear cap space. Furthermore, Carolina has lost several valuable reserves to free agency. Cap restricted as they are, they have not been able to replentish the losses by signing other free agents.       In retrospect, the Panthers would have been far better off by letting Peppers leave. He is 29 years old, and has expressed a desire to play OLB if a 3-4 defense. No team, including the Patriots, is going to pay the huge amount of money that Peppers seeks. The only way a deal will get done is if Peppers agrees to take a reduced rate to play elsewhere.       As for compensation, who would be willing to part with a premium draft choice for a high priced, 4-3 pro-bowl DE, who, at age 29, wants to convert to an OLB in a 3-4 defense? The only way Carolina can hope to salvage something from this mess is to significantly lower their compensation demands.      What possible solution can be reached? Seemingly, no team will, or should, agree to pay top dollar, and part with a top draft choice, to land JP. As a result, it would appear that the only option for Peppers will be to accept the $16.7mil. tender, and unhappily remain a Carolina Panther.      As for the Panthers, they are left to ponder the highly unlikely scenaio that JP's extreme unhappiness will not affect his play. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=4074399    
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]
    http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=757
    you have to wonder if its right for players to hold a team hostage?look at sheldon browns case.he is makeing good money,and hasnt really shined that bright,but wants more money,and is threating by saying it will effect his game play.
     
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    [QUOTE]Poignant perspective. I couldn't stop myself!
    Posted by bostatewarrior[/QUOTE]

    The nattering nabobs of negativity strike again. Call me Spiro T.
     
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    [QUOTE]http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=757 you have to wonder if its right for players to hold a team hostage?look at sheldon browns case.he is makeing good money,and hasnt really shined that bright,but wants more money,and is threating by saying it will effect his game play.
    Posted by mosseffect43[/QUOTE]
    http://www.gastongazette.com/sports/peppers_32998___article.html/panthers_draft.html
     
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    [QUOTE]     Go ahead and try to say that fast 5 times!!      Don't expect Julius Peppers to be a New England Patriot in 2009.      The Carolina Panthers have a huge mess on their hands. It is similar to what the Patriots had to deal with in the Matt Cassel matter. Like Cassel, Peppers is an UFA. Like Cassel, the pro-bowl calibre DE is coming off a very good year, in which he tallied a career high 14.7 sacks.       Like the Patriots, the Panther were faced with a decision. Do they franchise Peppers, and thereby put themselves on the hook to pay him ungodly money ($16.7 mil.) for the upcoming season? Or, do they let him go...clear his cap space, and move on?      Like the Patriots, they choose the franchise route. But, unlike the Cassel situation, Peppers has complicated matters by refused to sign the $16.7mil. tender. As a result, the Panthers' hands have been tied. They are not allowed to negotiate a possible trade with another team. Only Peppers and his agent, Carl Carey, may do so. Furthermore, unlike Cassel, Peppers has listed only 4 teams for which he is willing to play...with the Patriots being the only AFC team on his list.       As a result, the Peppers problem has lingered. It has led to a disasterous off-season for the Panthers. Despite the fact that J.P. has failed to sign the offered one year tender, Carolina is nontheless saddled with a $16.7 cap charge. This brought about the release of starting CB Ken Lucas, and starting WR D.J. Hackett, in order to clear cap space. Furthermore, Carolina has lost several valuable reserves to free agency. Cap restricted as they are, they have not been able to replentish the losses by signing other free agents.       In retrospect, the Panthers would have been far better off by letting Peppers leave. He is 29 years old, and has expressed a desire to play OLB if a 3-4 defense. No team, including the Patriots, is going to pay the huge amount of money that Peppers seeks. The only way a deal will get done is if Peppers agrees to take a reduced rate to play elsewhere.       As for compensation, who would be willing to part with a premium draft choice for a high priced, 4-3 pro-bowl DE, who, at age 29, wants to convert to an OLB in a 3-4 defense? The only way Carolina can hope to salvage something from this mess is to significantly lower their compensation demands.      What possible solution can be reached? Seemingly, no team will, or should, agree to pay top dollar, and part with a top draft choice, to land JP. As a result, it would appear that the only option for Peppers will be to accept the $16.7mil. tender, and unhappily remain a Carolina Panther.      As for the Panthers, they are left to ponder the highly unlikely scenaio that JP's extreme unhappiness will not affect his play. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=4074399    
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]

    This is a very good post and shows you the difference between how the Patriots and other teams are run..Carolina is held hostage by a player monetary demands and has to shed players off its roster while they figure out what to do..

    Yes one player can make a significant difference on a team but having players that provide depth and and add value is very important these days especially when you have to work around a salary cap. If it were baseball then you could pay Peppers what he wants.  Let him stay and let's find someone who we can turn into the player we need that works into our system. 

    For example:

    The Patriots gave up a fourth round draft choice for Randy Moss..Dallas trades three draft picks for Roy Williams when they did not need a receiver. These kinds of moves impact a teams ability to get better and have draft picks to keep filling the roster.  You can say now that T.O. is gone and it is nice to have Roy Williams.  But not at the expense of three draft picks. 

    In Bill We Trust
     
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    NOT GOING TOO HAPPEN........
     
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    [QUOTE]  So, riddle me this . . . If Peppers never signs the tender, that means the Panthers are tied to the cap dollars but can't move him. What happens if he just never signs it?
    Posted by prairiemike[/QUOTE]

    [QUOTE]     He doesn't play, and he doesn't get paid. Accordingly, if hes' not signed/traded by draft day, I suspect that he'll eventually sign the $16.7mil. tender.     
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]


    I can't see him signing without some guarantee that if he's traded, it would only be to one of the 4 teams.  If he doesn't get a guarantee like that (remember Asante only signed after being guaranteed they wouldn't franchise him again), the Panthers can deal him to any team they want, ala Matt Cassel.  If he holds out and Carolina releases him, that could work out for the Pats since they wouldn't be held to the 16 mil anymore.  This will quickly get interesting.
     
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    It will take two basic elements of an NFL trade to consumate a deal. Who has the cap room to do it and who has the future draft picks in 2010 to get a deal done without  voyaging into cap constuction on the river Styx ? After fleecing the Bears and garnering many future picks the Broncos (needing to rebuild or should I say completely construct a 3-4 defense under Nolan). I am guessing that Orton cost the Broncos considerably less than Cutler. Nearly everyone on this board has noted how little d the Denver Broncos have. It remains a matter of cap room. I have no clue what the Broncos cap space is like. The Panthers are in cap perdition or will be if they sign Peppers. If their is an uncapped year in 2010, then the Broncos have only to convince Panthers brass that in '10 the cap space to sign picks will be available. The picks they trade.

    The Broncos could draft the best defensive player available (trade down ?) Their pick is affordable for most teams and comes in a favorable range.

    Denver Doles Dinero to Defensive Diamond In Rough

    Not saying this scenario can or will happen. Peppers will get moved though. I just can't see BB commiting that much money to a player that is not named Brady. Will he give Peppers more than Big Sey or AT ? It's possible, but unlikely.

    My first order of business is to see who has the cap room (as an agent ) to make a deal.

    Go Bruins Go Pats

     
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         Julius Peppers is not going to be a Patriot in 2009. Its' becoming evident that the Carolinaa Panthers are stuck with the nearly $17mil. price tag for him in 2009...and that Peppers appears to be stuck with the Panthers.

         Ask yourself this: What team, at this stage of the off-season, can afford to pay him? For that matter, what team is going to give up a premium 2010 draft choice for him...when they know that JP will be a free agent in 2010?: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/panthers/story/684827.html
     
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         Heres' more on Peppers: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/story/698079.html
     
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    According to the lastest reports JP missed the mandatory workout, which means he is calling their bluff. Do the Patriots need this type of player, or would we be better off with a player such as Jason Taylor, who is more of a team player.
     
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    [QUOTE]According to the lastest reports JP missed the mandatory workout, which means he is calling their bluff. Do the Patriots need this type of player, or would we be better off with a player such as Jason Taylor, who is more of a team player.
    Posted by bobo354[/QUOTE]

    What happened to the last player that tried this as a Patriot, isn't that WR playing now for Seattle and has he done much of anything?

    The truth is the Pats don't put up with this from their players why go out a get one from another team?  Peppers can stay in Carolina he will hurt our team not help it.
     
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    [QUOTE]     Don't know if the Panthers can pull the tendered offer...but my gut tells me that they can't.       Send him to Dallass?? Thats' part of the problem. Until Peppers signs the $16.7mil.  tender, the Panthers can't negotiate or seek a trade with anybody. Only Peppers' agent can...and hes' only talking to the Patriots, and the 3 NFC teams (one of which I believe to be the Cowboys) that his client says he wants to play for. 
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]
     


    Sure they can pull the offer....Seattle just did it with their Linebacker Hill...then they ended up signing him long term after.

     
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    [QUOTE]So, riddle me this . . . If Peppers never signs the tender, that means the Panthers are tied to the cap dollars but can't move him. What happens if he just never signs it?
    Posted by prairiemike[/QUOTE]

    He won't get paid.  Consider him a restricted Free agent of sorts...
     
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    [QUOTE]What happened to the last player that tried this as a Patriot, isn't that WR playing now for Seattle and has he done much of anything? The truth is the Pats don't put up with this from their players why go out a get one from another team?  Peppers can stay in Carolina he will hurt our team not help it.
    Posted by Pats7393[/QUOTE]

    Actually Branch was still under contract for another year....he was not tagged.....but I know what you are saying.
     
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         Its' almost a certainty that Julius Peppers will sign his franchise tender, and play for the Panthers in 2009. He contract demands are thought to be astronomical: http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/04/one-week-after-the-draft-still-no-interest-in-peppers/
     

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