Parcells Quits Yet Again

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    people always talk about how he rebuilt NE...and I guess there is some truth in that but we really didnt become what we are now unitl lil bill got here and pantload really all he cared about was himself... he def. thought he was bigger than new england...bigger than the krafts... he went to the jests to stick it to new england and krafty bob... and because he road herd on bb for so long it back fired... if he gave bb the keys to the jests and left him alone to run the show.... things could have turned out mighty different... for the those lowly scum...

    never forgive him for what he did in the superbowl   belichick himself thought it was wrong in holleys book... forget the quote but said what he did was wrong...

     
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    In Response to Re: Parcells Quits Yet Again : It's not just about coaching or draft picks or superbowls.  There is a very good reason why billionaires keep giving him blank checks.
    Posted by PhatRex


    This is actually correct, and the word you're looking for is "cache."

    Whether his achievments justify his ego (an extremely rare occurence in the human animal) is neither here nor there . . .  what Parcells offers struggling teams is instant credibility. He has had a knack for righting ships and moving on -- in most cases -- from successful situations; and for generating rave personal reviews when his plans work, while absorbing very little blowback when they don't. In the twilight of his career (or any career, really), perception has become far more marketable than substance, and -- as Phatty suggests -- as long as there's a buyer, what you're selling is valuable.

     
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    Parcells is not overrated. He was a good coach in his day. Put good players on a Parcells team and they will do very well. 

    Sure he didn't do much after he left NE and he wasn't a good upstairs management guy or personell desicion maker imo. But he got a lot out of the players he had. He took a mediocre NE team to the superbowl.

    You could take a great coach and put him in a cesspool of a team and watch him fail. It is very hard to turn a losing football team around. There are not many coaches who have been able to turn 2 losing teams around. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Parcells Quits Yet Again : No, tool. Parcells tries to take teams who are 1-15 or 3-13 and improve them because there is no way to go but up. Note how he didn;t stick with that kind of team unless a GM (George Young) had a success rate. It's because it's easy to improve. Even the 80s Giants were anywhere but up.  Just how hard is it? Bill Parcells might be the most overrated front office human of all time.   Not just in the NFL put an overrated personnel manager in any operation. Great coach, average GM.  AVERAGE. Why is it people can't differentiate between his work as a coach and a GM? Does anyone know?  What is the malfunction? Is it a brainwashing by Wil McDonough here? Parcells last success as a coach was over 10 years ago. His success as a GM?  Hmm. Well, we're still waiting. Is this a NYers way to try to disparage how incredible BB is? Hmm. The reason why billionaires gave him checks is because they were desperate. That's why Jerry Jones hired him.  Desperation. Heck, it;s why Kraft hired him and why Kraft hired him and realized he made a mistake. And the reason why Parcells scoots out of town really quick without BB at his side is because he cannot do it. He just can't.  He's never done it without BB.
    Posted by BBReigns

    WOW, I am always amazed at how you are such an authority on anyone, anything and everything.
    So with this vast amount of knowledge that you have Rusty......please tell us what sporting teams you have owned and run, what companies you have owned and run, and which company boards you sit on and direct.

    Of course you wont answer any of these questions because you havent. Your only response will be a pathetic attempt at humor, a few insults to cover your big mouth,  Please, tell us just one company you even work for?
    Lets see is it still Google.

    Come on Rusty......are you the manager at the local 7/11?



     
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    I think Parcells could have won in dallas if Jones stayed out of it. Bledsloe was better then Romo.
     
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    In Response to Re: Parcells Quits Yet Again : WOW, I am always amazed at how you are such an authority on anyone, anything and everything. So with this vast amount of knowledge that you have Rusty......please tell us what sporting teams you have owned and run, what companies you have owned and run, and which company boards you sit on and direct. Of course you wont answer any of these questions because you havent. Your only response will be a pathetic attempt at humor, a few insults to cover your big mouth,  Please, tell us just one company you even work for? Lets see is it still Google. Come on Rusty......are you the manager at the local 7/11?
    Posted by Stommmper

    I guess I'm not the only one who feels like you do. your analysis of Crusty may be quite accurate. wonder how he would react if he wasn't protected by his anonymous drivel. he's just the forum bully with words. no fight in that dog.
     
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    Man you hate that guy huh? LOL
    Posted by MVPkilla4life

    I don't think he likes anybody. it starts first thing in the morning when he doesn't like what he sees in the mirror. there may be love at first reflection though.
     
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    In Response to Re: Parcells Quits Yet Again : This is actually correct, and the word you're looking for is "cache."
    Posted by p-mike


    Bill Parcells may have cachet, but the word Parcells is looking for is cash.

    Bill Parcells is the Charlie Sheen of NFL coaches.  He's Mister Goodbar but not for long.  He's gone through zip codes of NFL team owners, and now he wants to flaunt his virility on TV.  Open mouth insert foot, or at least we can hope. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Parcells Quits Yet Again : No, tool. Parcells tries to take teams who are 1-15 or 3-13 and improve them because there is no way to go but up. Note how he didn;t stick with that kind of team unless a GM (George Young) had a success rate. It's because it's easy to improve. Even the 80s Giants were anywhere but up.  Just how hard is it? Bill Parcells might be the most overrated front office human of all time.   Not just in the NFL put an overrated personnel manager in any operation. Great coach, average GM.  AVERAGE. Why is it people can't differentiate between his work as a coach and a GM? Does anyone know?  What is the malfunction? Is it a brainwashing by Wil McDonough here? Parcells last success as a coach was over 10 years ago. His success as a GM?  Hmm. Well, we're still waiting. Is this a NYers way to try to disparage how incredible BB is? Hmm. The reason why billionaires gave him checks is because they were desperate. That's why Jerry Jones hired him.  Desperation. Heck, it;s why Kraft hired him and why Kraft hired him and realized he made a mistake. And the reason why Parcells scoots out of town really quick without BB at his side is because he cannot do it. He just can't.  He's never done it without BB.
    Posted by BBReigns


    You DO know Kraft did NOT hire him?  He was coaching the team when Kraft bought it.  James Busch Orthwine (spell check) owned the team and wanted to move them to StL, but the move was blocked, so sold the team to Kraft.

    BP brought the Pats to the superbowl.  This was the best team in the AFC when he left (in very poor fashion).  Pete Carroll came in and blew up the team after!

    The NY Jets were a worse team then the Pats when he took over, brought them to the AFC Championship game in a few years.

    The Cowboys couldnt win more than 5 games when he took over, and all the talent was gone when he arrived.  He brought a team that had Quincy Carter as his starting QB to the Playoffs, that alone should say enough!

    He didnt coach the Fish, yet look at that roster now, and look at it then, not even close!

    I am a Pats fan, I know what he did here sucked, no doubt, but that is what sticks in all of our minds when thinking of BP!  He is very good in what he does!  He starts with NOTHING then makes a solid team!  Look at the craptacular coaches that had followed him from those teams, it isnt his fault that the owners bring in crap when he leaves!  They were ALL terrible!

    By the way, he DID NOT QUIT, his contract ran out!
     
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    You DO know Kraft did NOT hire him?  He was coaching the team when Kraft bought it.  James Busch Orthwine (spell check) owned the team and wanted to move them to StL, but the move was blocked, so sold the team to Kraft.

    BP brought the Pats to the superbowl.  This was the best team in the AFC when he left (in very poor fashion).  Pete Carroll came in and blew up the team after!

    The NY Jets were a worse team then the Pats when he took over, brought them to the AFC Championship game in a few years.

    The Cowboys couldnt win more than 5 games when he took over, and all the talent was gone when he arrived.  He brought a team that had Quincy Carter as his starting QB to the Playoffs, that alone should say enough!

    He didnt coach the Fish, yet look at that roster now, and look at it then, not even close!

    I am a Pats fan, I know what he did here sucked, no doubt, but that is what sticks in all of our minds when thinking of BP!  He is very good in what he does!  He starts with NOTHING then makes a solid team!  Look at the craptacular coaches that had followed him from those teams, it isnt his fault that the owners bring in crap when he leaves!  They were ALL
    terrible!

    By the way, he DID NOT QUIT, his contract ran out!


    You forgot to add he gave some of the best press conferences too!
     
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    BBreigns, I hope youre not talking about me!  I actually wear the "Pat the Patriot" Pats hat all the time.
    I have never said anything positive for the Jets, never will.  I am a Pats fan, but also a football fan.  I do agree BP has had 1 of the biggest ego's in the history of the NFL for only winning 2 times.  But that doesnt change the fact what he has done as an NFL coach.  His GM skills as a drafter is pretty good, his FA skills have much to be desired. 
    Look at Herm Edwards, he is 2 for 2, not only did he blow up what BP did in NY, he also blew up what Vermiel did in KC, yet ESPN thinks that he is great!
     
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    As much as I hate Parcells his picks have been about as good as anyone else's...it's a crap shoot:
    Retired, Football analyst for NBC Sports from 1991–1992

    Head Coach for the Patriots
    1993' Drew Bledsoe, Quarterback- Washington State
    1994' Willie McGinest, Linebacker- USC
    1995' Ty Law, Defensive Back- Michigan
    Head Coach/ GM for the Jets
    1997' James Farrior, Linebacker- Virginia
    1998'-1999' No picks
    2000a' Shaun Ellis, Defensive End- Tennessee
    2000b' John Abraham, Defensive End- South Carolina
    2000c' Chad Pennington, Quarterback- Marshall
    2000d' Anthony Becht, Tight End- West Virginia

    Cowboys Head Coach
    2003' Terence Newman, Cornerback- Kansas State
    2004' No pick
    2005a' DeMarcus Ware, Linebacker- Troy
    2005b' Marcus Spears, Defensive End- LSU
    2006' Bobby Carpenter, Linebacker- Ohio State

    Dolphins GM
    2008' Jake Long, Offensive tackle- Michigan
    2009' Vontae Davis. Cornerback- Illinois
     
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    As much as I hate Parcells his picks have been about as good as anyone else's...it's a crap shoot: Retired, Football analyst for NBC Sports from 1991–1992 Head Coach for the Patriots 1993' Drew Bledsoe, Quarterback- Washington State 1994' Willie McGinest, Linebacker- USC 1995' Ty Law, Defensive Back- Michigan Head Coach/ GM for the Jets 1997' James Farrior, Linebacker- Virginia 1998'-1999' No picks 2000a' Shaun Ellis, Defensive End- Tennessee 2000b' John Abraham, Defensive End- South Carolina 2000c' Chad Pennington, Quarterback- Marshall 2000d' Anthony Becht, Tight End- West Virginia Cowboys Head Coach 2003' Terence Newman, Cornerback- Kansas State 2004' No pick 2005a' DeMarcus Ware, Linebacker- Troy 2005b' Marcus Spears, Defensive End- LSU 2006' Bobby Carpenter, Linebacker- Ohio State Dolphins GM 2008' Jake Long, Offensive tackle- Michigan 2009' Vontae Davis. Cornerback- Illinois
    Posted by mthurl


    Some of these guys are as good as you're going to get at their positions, and he has had some hits in the later rounds as well.
     
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    In 02 Tuna was going to take the reigns of the Bucs, but flipped on them too. The next year they won the SB with Chucky at the helm. 

    Didn't take the Pats to the promised land though. Would it have been a stretch to double team Reggie White? That was a badly burned dinner that gave a lot of heart burn.  
     
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    In Response to Re: Parcells Quits Yet Again : Bobby Grier was Parcells's boss in NE. You look at his Jets and partial Cowboys picks and it's slim pickens. In fact, it makes you appreciate the late rd gems BB has found. Everyone seems to be infatuated when Parcells hits in ROund 1 and then criticizes BB's 2nd or middle round misses. How is Bobby Carpenter doing these days?
    Posted by BBReigns


    Listen, the whole thing is a giant cyclical crap shoot. At one point Bobby Grier was considerred very good at what he did, although I don't ever recall him being Parcell's boss. I am so glad that Belichick got the last laugh in the whole thing (can still remember Parcells bashing him in that book with Will McDonough), but the guy knows what a pass rusher is supposed to look like and has picked more than a couple really good ones. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Parcells Quits Yet Again:
    In Response to Re: Parcells Quits Yet Again : Bobby Grier was Parcells's boss in NE. You look at his Jets and partial Cowboys picks and it's slim pickens. In fact, it makes you appreciate the late rd gems BB has found. Everyone seems to be infatuated when Parcells hits in ROund 1 and then criticizes BB's 2nd or middle round misses. How is Bobby Carpenter doing these days? So, according to you he only picked those players (not Grier) and ONLY Grier suggested Terry Glenn in Round 1 in 1996? lol We have way, way, way too many Parcells ball washers on this site, that apparently have no idea who George Young is.
    Posted by BBReigns


    I am pretty sure that Grier was brought in by Kraft after BP was here.  In 1996, when the Pats drafted T Glenn, BP didnt want him and Grier did and the other guy (forgot his name) so BP was out ruled 2-1.  That is where the rift started and the "buy the groceries" statement came soon after.  Kraft wanted a 3 people to run the football operations a HC, a GM, and a Personnel guy (Grier).  BP was doing pretty good prior to this for drafting players, but som of his FA were not plus they were being over paid too.  Also, Grier was not his boss, Kraft had it that the 3 were equal.  After BP left the only guy that would allow that as a HC was Carroll.  How did that workout for the Pats?  That is probally why BB didnt get the HC job back then.

    When BB came finally, Kraft allowed BB to run the show and "buy the groceries"
     
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