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BB made Parcells. Period. Parcells has done absolutely jack squat without him.
The exact same thing can be said about BB without Brady. Thanks for walking into that haymaker junior.
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Re: Parcells Slaps BdBreu (And Other Pinkies)
posted at 11/16/2012 6:14 AM EST
- BabeParilli
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Re: Parcells Slaps BdBreu (And Other Pinkies)
posted at 11/16/2012 10:19 AM EST
- BabeParilli
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In response to Neal Page's comment:
In response to BabeParilli's comment:
In response to Neal Page's comment:
BB made Parcells. Period. Parcells has done absolutely jack squat without him.
The exact same thing can be said about BB without Brady. Thanks for walking into that haymaker junior.
How is it a "haymaker"? BB was a legendary defensive coordinator by 1991. Tom Brady was listening to Young MC and wearing LA Gear sneakers in a middle school in northern California. Did you watch Cleveland '95: A Football Life? Of course you didn't. You're afraid too.BB was the first person, along with his staff, to really grasp the cap era and how to build a team. Ron Wolf was probably the first to pull it off with those mid/late 90s Packers teams, but there is a reason those older GMs, whether it be Al Davis, Jerry Jones, and all the others who have no left the game, were all left in the dust. Bill Parcells is in this group. The game has passed them by and they never really understood the economics of being a GM in this era.
Pretending Brady made BB is hilarious. Brady wouldn't have any of these stats you love so much, nor SB rings without BB's personnel management and coaching here. Who traded for Moss and Welker to get him these stats you drool over like a short bus rider?
Your premise is no different than saying Montana made Walsh, or Bradshaw Noll, Starr Lombardi, etc, etc, etc.
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Re: Parcells Slaps BdBreu (And Other Pinkies)
posted at 11/16/2012 10:31 AM EST
- TrueChamp
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In response to Neal Page's comment:
In response to BabeParilli's comment:
In response to Neal Page's comment:
BB made Parcells. Period. Parcells has done absolutely jack squat without him.
The exact same thing can be said about BB without Brady. Thanks for walking into that haymaker junior.
How is it a "haymaker"? BB was a legendary defensive coordinator by 1991. Tom Brady was listening to Young MC and wearing LA Gear sneakers in a middle school in northern California. Did you watch Cleveland '95: A Football Life? Of course you didn't. You're afraid too.BB was the first person, along with his staff, to really grasp the cap era and how to build a team. Ron Wolf was probably the first to pull it off with those mid/late 90s Packers teams, but there is a reason those older GMs, whether it be Al Davis, Jerry Jones, and all the others who have no left the game, were all left in the dust. Bill Parcells is in this group. The game has passed them by and they never really understood the economics of being a GM in this era.
Pretending Brady made BB is hilarious. Brady wouldn't have any of these stats you love so much, nor SB rings without BB's personnel management and coaching here. Who traded for Moss and Welker to get him these stats you drool over like a short bus rider?
Your premise is no different than saying Montana made Walsh, or Bradshaw Noll, Starr Lombardi, etc, etc, etc.
MORON
Well done Rusty. You are absolutely correct on this issue. There can really be no debate here as anybody who really understands what BB has built in N.E(which he was on his way to doing in Clevelend imo) would never argue against him.
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Re: Parcells Slaps BdBreu (And Other Pinkies)
posted at 11/16/2012 11:02 AM EST
- CaptainZdeno33
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In response to Neal Page's comment:
What is a "beech"? You do realize BB is the guy who signed off on drafting Brady, benched Bledsoe, believed in Brady as a game manager in his 2nd year, so SB 36 was even possible, right? Or, was that when you weren't really fan becuause our offense was boring? lmao
The real facts for adults sting YOU like a biyatch, Grampa. Your virtual boyfriend will even tell you he's been blessed to be here in NE under BB with Kraft as owner. There aren't many high quality NFL teams in this league.
Life is a two way street. BB should be commended and then some, as should Brady.
I'll drink to that, hear hear!
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Re: Parcells Slaps BdBreu (And Other Pinkies)
posted at 11/16/2012 12:45 PM EST
- TrueChamp
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In response to Neal Page's comment:
In response to BabeParilli's comment:
In response to Neal Page's comment:
In response to BabeParilli's comment:
In response to Neal Page's comment:
BB made Parcells. Period. Parcells has done absolutely jack squat without him.
The exact same thing can be said about BB without Brady. Thanks for walking into that haymaker junior.
How is it a "haymaker"? BB was a legendary defensive coordinator by 1991. Tom Brady was listening to Young MC and wearing LA Gear sneakers in a middle school in northern California. Did you watch Cleveland '95: A Football Life? Of course you didn't. You're afraid too.BB was the first person, along with his staff, to really grasp the cap era and how to build a team. Ron Wolf was probably the first to pull it off with those mid/late 90s Packers teams, but there is a reason those older GMs, whether it be Al Davis, Jerry Jones, and all the others who have no left the game, were all left in the dust. Bill Parcells is in this group. The game has passed them by and they never really understood the economics of being a GM in this era.
Pretending Brady made BB is hilarious. Brady wouldn't have any of these stats you love so much, nor SB rings without BB's personnel management and coaching here. Who traded for Moss and Welker to get him these stats you drool over like a short bus rider?
Your premise is no different than saying Montana made Walsh, or Bradshaw Noll, Starr Lombardi, etc, etc, etc.
MORON
Sorry junior. BB would be considered a failure if you consider his HC record only for the years he didn't have Brady. Facts sting you like a beech.
What is a "beech"? You do realize BB is the guy who signed off on drafting Brady, benched Bledsoe, believed in Brady as a game manager in his 2nd year, so SB 36 was even possible, right? Or, was that when you weren't really fan because our offense was boring? lmaoThe real facts for adults sting YOU like a biyatch, Grampa. Your virtual boyfriend will even tell you he's been blessed to be here in NE under BB with Kraft as owner. There aren't many high quality NFL teams in this league.
Life is a two way street. BB should be commended and then some, as should Brady.
Rusty is en fuego!
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Re: Parcells Slaps BdBreu (And Other Pinkies)
posted at 11/16/2012 1:00 PM EST
- Philskiw1
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In response to Neal Page's comment:
In response to BabeParilli's comment:
In response to Neal Page's comment:
In response to BabeParilli's comment:
In response to Neal Page's comment:
BB made Parcells. Period. Parcells has done absolutely jack squat without him.
The exact same thing can be said about BB without Brady. Thanks for walking into that haymaker junior.
How is it a "haymaker"? BB was a legendary defensive coordinator by 1991. Tom Brady was listening to Young MC and wearing LA Gear sneakers in a middle school in northern California. Did you watch Cleveland '95: A Football Life? Of course you didn't. You're afraid too.BB was the first person, along with his staff, to really grasp the cap era and how to build a team. Ron Wolf was probably the first to pull it off with those mid/late 90s Packers teams, but there is a reason those older GMs, whether it be Al Davis, Jerry Jones, and all the others who have no left the game, were all left in the dust. Bill Parcells is in this group. The game has passed them by and they never really understood the economics of being a GM in this era.
Pretending Brady made BB is hilarious. Brady wouldn't have any of these stats you love so much, nor SB rings without BB's personnel management and coaching here. Who traded for Moss and Welker to get him these stats you drool over like a short bus rider?
Your premise is no different than saying Montana made Walsh, or Bradshaw Noll, Starr Lombardi, etc, etc, etc.
MORON
Sorry junior. BB would be considered a failure if you consider his HC record only for the years he didn't have Brady. Facts sting you like a beech.
What is a "beech"? You do realize BB is the guy who signed off on drafting Brady, benched Bledsoe, believed in Brady as a game manager in his 2nd year, so SB 36 was even possible, right? Or, was that when you weren't really fan because our offense was boring? lmaoThe real facts for adults sting YOU like a biyatch, Grampa. Your virtual boyfriend will even tell you he's been blessed to be here in NE under BB with Kraft as owner. There aren't many high quality NFL teams in this league.
Life is a two way street. BB should be commended and then some, as should Brady.
There's a lot of truth there. When Bledsloe Got healthy and there was a qb controversy there wasn't far as BB was Concerned. My kid and I talked about this my feeling was you stay with what got you there. That held true after the playoff game that Bledsloe subbed in after Brady got hurt. -
Re: Parcells Slaps BdBreu (And Other Pinkies)
posted at 11/16/2012 2:05 PM EST
- BabeParilli
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In response to Neal Page's comment:
In response to BabeParilli's comment:
In response to Neal Page's comment:
In response to BabeParilli's comment:
In response to Neal Page's comment:
BB made Parcells. Period. Parcells has done absolutely jack squat without him.
The exact same thing can be said about BB without Brady. Thanks for walking into that haymaker junior.
How is it a "haymaker"? BB was a legendary defensive coordinator by 1991. Tom Brady was listening to Young MC and wearing LA Gear sneakers in a middle school in northern California. Did you watch Cleveland '95: A Football Life? Of course you didn't. You're afraid too.BB was the first person, along with his staff, to really grasp the cap era and how to build a team. Ron Wolf was probably the first to pull it off with those mid/late 90s Packers teams, but there is a reason those older GMs, whether it be Al Davis, Jerry Jones, and all the others who have no left the game, were all left in the dust. Bill Parcells is in this group. The game has passed them by and they never really understood the economics of being a GM in this era.
Pretending Brady made BB is hilarious. Brady wouldn't have any of these stats you love so much, nor SB rings without BB's personnel management and coaching here. Who traded for Moss and Welker to get him these stats you drool over like a short bus rider?
Your premise is no different than saying Montana made Walsh, or Bradshaw Noll, Starr Lombardi, etc, etc, etc.
MORON
Sorry junior. BB would be considered a failure if you consider his HC record only for the years he didn't have Brady. Facts sting you like a beech.
What is a "beech"? You do realize BB is the guy who signed off on drafting Brady, benched Bledsoe, believed in Brady as a game manager in his 2nd year, so SB 36 was even possible, right? Or, was that when you weren't really fan because our offense was boring? lmaoThe real facts for adults sting YOU like a biyatch, Grampa. Your virtual boyfriend will even tell you he's been blessed to be here in NE under BB with Kraft as owner. There aren't many high quality NFL teams in this league.
Life is a two way street. BB should be commended and then some, as should Brady.
What is a beech? You, junior.Dick Rehbein is the man who pushed hard to pick Brady junior. Give credit where it is due.
The facts show BB without Brady is an under .500 HC. Just learn to live with it. Nobody is saying BB isn't a terrific coach. But the best of them need that Hall of Famer or two to make their name. Brady allowed BB to become one of the greats.
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Re: Parcells Slaps BdBreu (And Other Pinkies)
posted at 11/16/2012 2:22 PM EST
- pcmIV
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In response to BabeParilli's comment:
The facts show BB without Brady is an under .500 HC. Just learn to live with it. Nobody is saying BB isn't a terrific coach. But the best of them need that Hall of Famer or two to make their name. Brady allowed BB to become one of the greats.
And perhaps BB's coaching played a role in Brady becoming the QB he is today? Obviously impossible to prove definitively, but you can't prove the opposite either. As I'm sure you are aware not many first ballot Hall of Famers come out of the 6th round. Now Brady deserves all the credit he gets for putting the time in and becoming the player he is, but you have to wonder how his career would have played out had he been drafted by another team. I guess we'll never know for sure, but I'm okay with that. I wish both you and Rusty were okay with it too. -
Re: Parcells Slaps BdBreu (And Other Pinkies)
posted at 11/16/2012 2:23 PM EST
- BabeParilli
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In response to Philskiw1's comment:
In response to Neal Page's comment:
In response to BabeParilli's comment:
In response to Neal Page's comment:
In response to BabeParilli's comment:
In response to Neal Page's comment:
BB made Parcells. Period. Parcells has done absolutely jack squat without him.
The exact same thing can be said about BB without Brady. Thanks for walking into that haymaker junior.
How is it a "haymaker"? BB was a legendary defensive coordinator by 1991. Tom Brady was listening to Young MC and wearing LA Gear sneakers in a middle school in northern California. Did you watch Cleveland '95: A Football Life? Of course you didn't. You're afraid too.BB was the first person, along with his staff, to really grasp the cap era and how to build a team. Ron Wolf was probably the first to pull it off with those mid/late 90s Packers teams, but there is a reason those older GMs, whether it be Al Davis, Jerry Jones, and all the others who have no left the game, were all left in the dust. Bill Parcells is in this group. The game has passed them by and they never really understood the economics of being a GM in this era.
Pretending Brady made BB is hilarious. Brady wouldn't have any of these stats you love so much, nor SB rings without BB's personnel management and coaching here. Who traded for Moss and Welker to get him these stats you drool over like a short bus rider?
Your premise is no different than saying Montana made Walsh, or Bradshaw Noll, Starr Lombardi, etc, etc, etc.
MORON
Sorry junior. BB would be considered a failure if you consider his HC record only for the years he didn't have Brady. Facts sting you like a beech.
What is a "beech"? You do realize BB is the guy who signed off on drafting Brady, benched Bledsoe, believed in Brady as a game manager in his 2nd year, so SB 36 was even possible, right? Or, was that when you weren't really fan because our offense was boring? lmaoThe real facts for adults sting YOU like a biyatch, Grampa. Your virtual boyfriend will even tell you he's been blessed to be here in NE under BB with Kraft as owner. There aren't many high quality NFL teams in this league.
Life is a two way street. BB should be commended and then some, as should Brady.
There's a lot of truth there. When Bledsloe Got healthy and there was a qb controversy there wasn't far as BB was Concerned. My kid and I talked about this my feeling was you stay with what got you there. That held true after the playoff game that Bledsloe subbed in after Brady got hurt.
Brady was already practicing better than Bledsoe. BB knew the kid did one thing well that Drew just never could; take care of the ball.The most controversy was among fans who don't know the game. Probably a lot of them are the same ones who thought BJGE was a great back.
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Re: Parcells Slaps BdBreu (And Other Pinkies)
posted at 11/16/2012 2:29 PM EST
- BabeParilli
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In response to pcmIV's comment:
In response to BabeParilli's comment:
The facts show BB without Brady is an under .500 HC. Just learn to live with it. Nobody is saying BB isn't a terrific coach. But the best of them need that Hall of Famer or two to make their name. Brady allowed BB to become one of the greats.
And perhaps BB's coaching played a role in Brady becoming the QB he is today? Obviously impossible to prove definitively, but you can't prove the opposite either. As I'm sure you are aware not many first ballot Hall of Famers come out of the 6th round. Now Brady deserves all the credit he gets for putting the time in and becoming the player he is, but you have to wonder how his career would have played out had he been drafted by another team. I guess we'll never know for sure, but I'm okay with that. I wish both you and Rusty were okay with it too.
I think BB is a terrific coach. So I'm sure he helped Brady mature as a player. But no amount of great coaching puts you in the Hall unless you have what it takes to get there.I'm okay with everything. I don't really have a preference. BB didn't do so hot until Brady came along. It's as simple as that.
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Re: Parcells Slaps BdBreu (And Other Pinkies)
posted at 11/16/2012 3:47 PM EST
- BabeParilli
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BB was arguably the best Def Coordinator in the NFL from the mid 80s right into the 1990s, and flipped average or bad Ds into SB contending ones within one year's time:
1986 NY Giants
1996 NE Patriots
1998 - NY Jets
2000/2001 Patriots.
IT's not like Brady was a superstar in 2001. That was all coaching and BB. Brady was fantastic growing into the role and making magic happen in the postseason, but you act like BB did nothing in his career prior, which is an absolutely embarrassment for any Pats fan to imply.
BB FIXED the Browns problems, too. Go watch Cleveland '95 A FOotball Life. The fact you haven't tells us you have an agenda here, which is some weird lifelong journey to dispel BB's greatness and pretending only Brady made him great, which is what 90% of fans in other fanbases do, because Brady is the more likeable personality.
The fact you haven't done your homework again is not a shock to anyone here, Gramps.
Give us a break junior. The Browns weren't a very good team when BB finished there, and their one good season they won a grand total of 2 games against teams with a winning record. Happens a lot after a losing previous season = weak schedule the following year. The Steelers swept them that year. LMAOThere's some homework for you junior.
Yeah, I watched C95-AFL.
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Re: Parcells Slaps BdBreu (And Other Pinkies)
posted at 11/16/2012 6:09 PM EST
- mthurl
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Haven't been on this thread in a bit - is it still being questioned by the village idiot that Parcells told Belichick to fix his defense after the season?
I don't really get the shock of that conversation these two had. For one, it's not like Belichick didn't already know this. And for another thing 99.9999999% of the world knew our defense stunk anyway....well except Rusty.
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Re: Parcells Slaps BdBreu (And Other Pinkies)
posted at 11/16/2012 6:30 PM EST
- BabeParilli
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In response to Neal Page's comment:
In response to BabeParilli's comment:
In response to Neal Page's comment:
BB was arguably the best Def Coordinator in the NFL from the mid 80s right into the 1990s, and flipped average or bad Ds into SB contending ones within one year's time:
1986 NY Giants
1996 NE Patriots
1998 - NY Jets
2000/2001 Patriots.
IT's not like Brady was a superstar in 2001. That was all coaching and BB. Brady was fantastic growing into the role and making magic happen in the postseason, but you act like BB did nothing in his career prior, which is an absolutely embarrassment for any Pats fan to imply.
BB FIXED the Browns problems, too. Go watch Cleveland '95 A FOotball Life. The fact you haven't tells us you have an agenda here, which is some weird lifelong journey to dispel BB's greatness and pretending only Brady made him great, which is what 90% of fans in other fanbases do, because Brady is the more likeable personality.
The fact you haven't done your homework again is not a shock to anyone here, Gramps.
Give us a break junior. The Browns weren't a very good team when BB finished there, and their one good season they won a grand total of 2 games against teams with a winning record. Happens a lot after a losing previous season = weak schedule the following year. The Steelers swept them that year. LMAOThere's some homework for you junior.
Yeah, I watched C95-AFL.
Yeah, because news leaked that the team was moving, dummy! They started the season well and then Modell pulled the rug out after an 11-5 1994 season where BB and the Browns beat our Pats led by Parcells.Leave it to you to pretend the Browns moving from that hot pocket of football and the disaster that it was somehow had no effect on the team.
Did you watch the documentary or not?
I'm sure the news of moving was a detriment. That changes nothing about them winning two lousy games against winning teams in their big year junior. The record is what it is.YES, I watched it.